Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Ole had a 54% win ratio over 3 years.

Ralf has only 47% over 3 months. 3 months where our fixtures have been incredibly kind too I might add.

Who knew appointing Locomotive Moscow Sporting Director as our head coach would turn out to not be a great decision? Me. That's who.
Another Ole sympathizer using 3 years and 400m with a guy who barely had 3 months with no transfers, covid outbreak, and a police case against one of his best finishers at the club.

Get over it, Ole was one of the most incompetent clueless managers the club has ever seen( Yes, ever seen).
 
What is the point of bringing up all these win percentage between manager?
We don't need win percentage to know that Ole's football is shit and suitable only for small club. Counter attacking football, worst running stat in PL, unfit players and ill discipline squad with massive cnuts and prima donnas.

Ralf has to change all these in 3 months while implementing the foundation of how a big club should play and behave. The earlier we start the better. If not, the next manager that come in (even Pep or Klopp) need another season just to start implement all these changes to modernize the club.
 
If we even had a half decent striker even someone like Lacazette for ex, we would be in the top 4 race
 
We signed Sancho, Ronaldo and Varane…. If you have a standard of performance for Ole, isn’t it duplicitous to not have that same standard for Ralf?

If we hired Ralf to save top 4, I expect Ralf to have better stats. Is that an outrageous expectation? I don’t think so.
We hired Ralf to help dig us out of the mess that Ole had put us in, top was always a bonus because of how we had fallen. Of course Ole's starts would look better because he built the squad to fit how he wanted to play and Ralf was always going to struggle because he being asked to perform miracles using someone else's tools - if Ralf was the one making decisions in the summer maybe he doesn't spend that much on Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo.

Another thing is we are overlooking the negative impact of losing that abusive cnut. We loaned out Martial and were in the process of loaning out Lingard when Greenwood's shenanigans were exposed, right on the eve of the transfer window deadline. I am sure Greenwood was the insurance policy we had against the pensioners losing form fitness.

Another big loss is Rashford, his loss of form is inexplicable and he is one of the players whose influence would feature hugely in any computations when deciding on loaning out players or making signings. He is lost and shouldn't be in the squad on current form but where are the options?

Ralf isn't entirely blameless, I think he has been too accommodating of some of our favored players and consequently left himself without options after pruning the squad. Martial, Donny and Amad are some of the players who could be options right now but he never gave them a look in when he had them in deference to the media darlings who let Ole down and are half way towards doing him in too.
 
They aren’t “my” stats mate. They are stats. Should we throw out the Middlesbrough result for Ralf because they are a championship side?

Here’s a tip: Before you question the information, do a bit of research. You’ve got 21,000+ posts on this forum. It would be nice if a few of them were based on actual research and a logical conclusion based off the research.
By the way, Conte hasn’t been great lately for Tottenham. But that’s a deflection. The real issue is Man United and whether Ralf is good enough to get us top 4. I am expecting top 4, and the underwhelming results against weak sides has me thinking we’ll need results from the next run of matches against Liverpool, City and Spurs.
They are your stats. Stats are only useful if being applied correctly. I remenber you had no clue how to look at stats and randomly bucketed all competitions, including ones Rangnick wasn't even involved in to try and argue against him.

The XG difference is better under Ralf. Under Ole we lost 7 already and under Ralf we have so far only lost 1.

You also brought in Conte by the way, not me. Now you say its a deflection after you realize hes struggling too. Bit of a shit poster, aren't you? Fail to grasp that coming in mid-season is far more of an unfair and difficult task than coming with a summer window and pre season. But of course, your logic works in other, shit ways.
 
It’s a really slippery slope you are on. If your theory is that Ole was a shitty coach, then the results would be bad, and worse than the following manager. A *good* coach would improve the team, no?

Now, many are saying that the squad is shite, and the lack of results and poor performances are the player’s fault, not Ralf’s. Do you see the logical conundrum? If the players are awful, then is it not possible that Ole was actually a decent coach because our *good* coach has also failed to get a tune out of them?
Ole wasn't sacked for his form over three years, he was sacked for his form from August to November after spending another bucket load of money. It's entirely possible that Ralf is being hampered by Ole's incompetence in squad construction because he hasn't spent a dime on players that influence his tactics and attitudes of certain players were allowed to rot under Ole.

Ralf has his issues which we are aware of and it's possible that he has been a disastrous appointment, it's idiotic to do a 180° turn in the midst of a season under a temporary manager. If we wanted a system specific manager like Ralf then we should maybe have been prepared to back him in the winter but we gutted the squad and didn't bring anyone in.

It remains to be seen about who is making the decision on Ronaldo, Rashford and others in desperately poor form.
 
Hate for Ole ? You playing the hate card now after having to go through that torrid 3 seasons? Deary me - get a life.

Ralph just had 2 .5 months . Is that all you willing to give to a new manager? Glad this thread is actually bringing all the kneejerk glory hunting ones to limelight. We now know whom to ignore, when we have a permanent manager next season.

If you really think someone will make us competent overnight with this squad , good luck with that . When you bring your swords out next season after 1 month, I will be the first one here to defend that new manager too.
Top Red post!!!!

Noting Ralf’s record isn’t over the top criticism. I’ve said, MANY TIMES, I expect top 4 with this squad. So does the board. You don’t start this season by adding Sancho, Ronaldo and Varane and expecting anything less, no matter the manager, Ole or Ralf.

If Ralf turns it around, I’ll be happy to admit I’m wrong, delighted in fact. But, from what I see, Ralf is a idealist, and doesn’t have a great understanding of how to get the best out of top players or even overindulged superstars, to be fair. Well, that’s part of the job. And the club will evaluate him on that criteria as well.
 
They are your stats. Stats are only useful if being applied correctly. I remenber you had no clue how to look at stats and randomly bucketed all competitions, including ones Rangnick wasn't even involved in to try and argue against him.

The XG difference is better under Ralf. Under Ole we lost 7 already and under Ralf we have so far only lost 1.

You also brought in Conte by the way, not me. Now you say its a deflection after you realize hes struggling too. Bit of a shit poster, aren't you? Fail to grasp that coming in mid-season is far more of an unfair and difficult task than coming with a summer window and pre season. But of course, your logic works in other, shit ways.
King of the “small sample size argument”… so, conveniently, you are evaluations Ole only on this season?

Cite your sources please. And what was actual scored vs. xG? Thanks. Also, please check your xG in 21-22 season, I believe Ole had a higher xG number.

Personal attacks are not allowed in this space. I would hope that you could rise above, thanks mate.
 
King of the “small sample size argument”… so, conveniently, you are evaluations Ole only on this season?

Cite your sources please. And what was actual scored vs. xG? Thanks. Also, please check your xG in 21-22 season, I believe Ole had a higher xG number.

Personal attacks are not allowed in this space. I would hope that you could rise above, thanks mate.
No it wasn’t. There is a reason why xG became a hot topic is because we were constantly scoring more than that.

Under Ole this season we were atrociously bad. We have improved massively under Rangnick and that only in mid season improvement. The reason why we are in top 4 scrape and will miss it, is not because of Rangnick but because of Ole. Rangnick is the reason why we are even in it at the moment
 
Tuchel was W11 D5 L3 or 2.11 pts per match… what’s your point?

Also, Ralf has had a run against bottom table teams.

His point is that world class managers can have slow starts. And one could infer from this that it may not be the best idea just going off a win loss record with no context.
 
They aren’t “my” stats mate. They are stats. Should we throw out the Middlesbrough result for Ralf because they are a championship side?

Here’s a tip: Before you question the information, do a bit of research. You’ve got 21,000+ posts on this forum. It would be nice if a few of them were based on actual research and a logical conclusion based off the research.
They are your stats. Stats are only useful if being applied correctly. I remenber you had no clue how to look at stats and randomly bucketed all competitions, including ones Rangnick wasn't even involved in to try and argue against him.

The XG difference is better under Ralf. Under Ole we lost 7 already and under Ralf we have so far only lost 1.

You also brought in Conte by the way, not me. Now you say its a deflection after you realize hes struggling too. Bit of a shit poster, aren't you? Fail to grasp that coming in mid-season is far more of an unfair and difficult task than coming with a summer window and pre season. But of course, your logic works in other, shit ways.
Please stop derailing the thread with your bickering. Clearly you can use certain stats to make decent pro and anti RR arguments, but the condescension and insults aren't needed.
 
Ole wasn't sacked for his form over three years, he was sacked for his form from August to November after spending another bucket load of money. It's entirely possible that Ralf is being hampered by Ole's incompetence in squad construction because he hasn't spent a dime on players that influence his tactics and attitudes of certain players were allowed to rot under Ole.

Ralf has his issues which we are aware of and it's possible that he has been a disastrous appointment, it's idiotic to do a 180° turn in the midst of a season under a temporary manager. If we wanted a system specific manager like Ralf then we should maybe have been prepared to back him in the winter but we gutted the squad and didn't bring anyone in.

It remains to be seen about who is making the decision on Ronaldo, Rashford and others in desperately poor form.
I agree with the tenor of this.

I don’t think Ole is the “constructor” of this squad. He really didn’t ask for DvB and Telles. He did ask for Sancho, Varane and Ronaldo. He probably gave the thumbs up on Maguire and AWB.

I’m fine with Ole getting sacked. We’ve seen 3 years of a pretty damn good Maguire (Leicester, WC and us), I can’t believe he’s a write off. He may not be captain material, be there’s a good player in there. AWB was pretty exceptional in defense the last two seasons. Not great going forward, I agree.

Blaming Ole for bringing in Ronaldo is like blaming the Pope for the institution of communion. Playing him while he is clearly off is a different thing, of course. People forget that he saved our asses early on in the PL and also in the CL. I hope he comes good.
 
Fact is, we wouldn't be having these conversations about Rangnick if our players could finish. I'm not saying he should stay as manager beyond this season but, all things considered, he's done really well.
 
King of the “small sample size argument”… so, conveniently, you are evaluations Ole only on this season?

Cite your sources please. And what was actual scored vs. xG? Thanks. Also, please check your xG in 21-22 season, I believe Ole had a higher xG number.

Personal attacks are not allowed in this space. I would hope that you could rise above, thanks mate.
Its not a personal attack. Im "attacking" the shit post.

Yes Ole did alright in that season given he had his interim spell (which was volatile) and 200m plus of his own players brought in.

This is why you dont make lazy comparisons, the logic just collapses.
 
Please stop derailing the thread with your bickering. Clearly you can use certain stats to make decent pro and anti RR arguments, but the condescension and insults aren't needed.
Noted. Ive just blocked the poster now. Happy to move on, apologies.
 
Fact is, we wouldn't be having these conversations about Rangnick if our players could finish. I'm not saying he should stay as manager beyond this season but, all things considered, he's done really well.
Exactly! At the very least, we should've been 3-0 up at halftime. Ralf's football is getting us those chances. It's not his fault the players can't finish them. The first half was excellent flowing football. It's also not his fault that he has a Matic who can't last more than 60 and a just back from a long injury, Pogba who also can't manage more than 60. It's the board's fault for not backing Ralf by at least getting a decent midfielder in the window. Didn't have to be a world-beater, just someone who could shoulder the burden and give other players a rest. Zakaria was a no-brainer for me. Ralf's also not helped by Greenwood of course and the fact Cavani may as well be the mascot (though he'd probably say he's too injured to even do that). Then of course Rashford is playing like complete trash. All of which means Ralf has to rely on Ronaldo, who to be fair should've had a hattrick today and continues to miss multiple chances per game. But at least we're creating these chances now, unlike latter days with Ole, where we used to go a whole game without creating a decent one. It was the same with Ralf at the start but you can clearly see how much better we're playing now. But for our players not being able to finish their dinner, we'd be on a great run right now. Not sure you can really blame Ralf that we aren't.
 
Exactly! At the very least, we should've been 3-0 up at halftime. Ralf's football is getting us those chances. It's not his fault the players can't finish them. The first half was excellent flowing football. It's also not his fault that he has a Matic who can't last more than 60 and a just back from a long injury, Pogba who also can't manage more than 60. It's the board's fault for not backing Ralf by at least getting a decent midfielder in the window. Didn't have to be a world-beater, just someone who could shoulder the burden and give other players a rest. Zakaria was a no-brainer for me. Ralf's also not helped by Greenwood of course and the fact Cavani may as well be the mascot (though he'd probably say he's too injured to even do that). Then of course Rashford is playing like complete trash. All of which means Ralf has to rely on Ronaldo, who to be fair should've had a hattrick today and continues to miss multiple chances per game. But at least we're creating these chances now, unlike latter days with Ole, where we used to go a whole game without creating a decent one. It was the same with Ralf at the start but you can clearly see how much better we're playing now. But for our players not being able to finish their dinner, we'd be on a great run right now. Not sure you can really blame Ralf that we aren't.
Its terrible luck for any manager to walk in and see two big names drop out for their own reasons (martial and greenwood) and then not being able to call upon another big name for being a crock (Cavani).

Doesn't help Rashfords shite form just continued into the new manager too. I dont really care who the manager is next regarding our attack, I think it needs a complete overhaul. Sancho should be the only survivor.
 
Think he's doing about as well as you can expect from an interim tbh. Certainly no complaints from me, and yesterday was very obviously not on him. He did his job. The playing staff, once again, did not.
 
What did you think of our squad before we kicked a ball this season? I’m curious.

I stated clearly in these posts, I naively thought it was class. The evidence in front on my eyes of the individual performances is impossible to ignore, it’s shite.
I grossly overrated our squad and I’m always open to changing my opinion according to the evidence, you’d be daft to start this season thinking the squad was class and to maintain that opinion now.
Maguire, who I rated highly is having a season reminiscent of a Benny Hill sketch. Our midfield is truly terrible, and our strikers, whilst I like both, are either tiring badly through a long season due to age and fatigue, or are constantly out injured.

I argued with @Leftback99 till I was blue in the face that he was clueless when claiming in August that our squad was 5th at best, maybe 6th. I have no problem at all conceding now that Leftback was far less naive and far more realistic than I ever was. Put simply, he was bang on and I was a fool.
Don’t be a fool kids.
 
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The truth is somewhere in between. We’ve got a manager with a clear vision and style of play who has struggled to fluidly incorporate his footballing ideology and a squad of overpaid mercenaries as players.

We will most likely not be playing champions league football next season but that is mostly down to a total lack of interest in the squad to fashion a win through grit and determination as our noisy neighbours have done lately.

I feel it’s more justified to blame the players than manager if I had to pick a side.
 
Draw with the worst team in the league, hit the 'this is oles team' button

I don’t think that’s true at all. Anyone defending Ralf for the result yesterday is stating we played well, yet how can the manager account for Bruno missing 2 absolute sitters, Ronaldo missing 2 absolute sitters, Elanga missing an absolute sitter?
A few decent finishes after getting into some great positions and we’d have won that 4-0, was an odd game to blame on the manager is all.

Only reason Ole’s name has even been brought up is because some posters claimed Ralf is shit and doing worse than Ole.
 
True. But if you were running a company as Chairman and hiring an interim CEO, wouldn’t you want someone with vast recent experience and a track record of achieving goals? The answer is yes.

You can want something all you like. What you can realistically get halfway through a season is a different thing.
 
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47 % wins. Look at the state of those fixtures. And then try to process that 47 % actually means we've won less than half of those. You just realise how far the standards have fallen at the mighty Manchester United when fans are making every excuse in the book to defend someone with a 47 % win percentage.

I remember a time where every point dropped was painful. Now we've got fans glorifying a 47 % win percentage against bottom of barrel teams. Sad to see the extent of our demise. One thing is owners/board derailing the club. A whole another is fans gleefully accepting mediocrity and glorifying terrible results against relegation fodders.
 
I stated clearly in these posts, I naively thought it was class. The evidence in front on my eyes of the individual performances is impossible to ignore, it’s shite.
I grossly overrated our squad and I’m always open to changing my opinion according to the evidence, you’d be daft to start this season thinking the squad was class and to maintain that opinion now.
Maguire, who I rated highly is having a season reminiscent of a Benny Hill sketch. Our midfield is truly terrible, and our strikers, whilst I like both, are either tiring badly through a long season due to age and fatigue, or are constantly out injured.

I argued with @Leftback99 till I was blue in the face that he was clueless when claiming in August that our squad was 5th at best, maybe 6th. I have no problem at all conceding now that Leftback was far less naive and far more realistic than I ever was. Put simply, he was bang on and I was a fool.
Don’t be a fool kids.
Thanks but I think you're confusing seasons slightly. I had us down for a distant 4th this year when most were talking of title challenges. Mainly because we were ignoring the huge hole in midfield again which I saw as the priority. Ole had to go because he was getting results worse than that.

Right now with Greenwood gone, Cavani pretty much gone, Ronaldo finished and no Martial, 5th or 6th would be about right. We're miles off the top 3 squads.

Ralf would have done a very good job to get 4th (I think it's gone now). I'm frustrated because we've wasted the easy fixtures but it's not really on him to be fair.
 
I remember a time where every point dropped was painful. Now we've got fans glorifying a 47 % win percentage against bottom of barrel teams. Sad to see the extent of our demise. One thing is owners/board derailing the club. A whole another is fans gleefully accepting mediocrity and glorifying terrible results against relegation fodders.

Who is doing this and where is this happening? We're dropping points due to shit tumescent embarrassing finishing in so many of these games, not all of them, but plenty of them. We're creating countless chances in most games, not all, but most, and making a total mess of it. It doesn't take a genius to see it, but most level headed people can see what's going on. It's infuriating and disappointing to watch over and over.

I don't see people being gleeful or glorifying, just being more rational. Everything is so extreme one way or the other on here.
 
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47 % wins. Look at the state of those fixtures. And then try to process that 47 % actually means we've won less than half of those. You just realise how far the standards have fallen at the mighty Manchester United when fans are making every excuse in the book to defend someone with a 47 % win percentage.

I remember a time where every point dropped was painful. Now we've got fans glorifying a 47 % win percentage against bottom of barrel teams. Sad to see the extent of our demise. One thing is owners/board derailing the club. A whole another is fans gleefully accepting mediocrity and glorifying terrible results against relegation fodders.
No denying that’s probably the easiest introduction run of games any prem manager has ever had or could have wished for.

Now it‘s time to get busy with the big boys ….make or break?
 
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47 % wins. Look at the state of those fixtures. And then try to process that 47 % actually means we've won less than half of those. You just realise how far the standards have fallen at the mighty Manchester United when fans are making every excuse in the book to defend someone with a 47 % win percentage.

I remember a time where every point dropped was painful. Now we've got fans glorifying a 47 % win percentage against bottom of barrel teams. Sad to see the extent of our demise. One thing is owners/board derailing the club. A whole another is fans gleefully accepting mediocrity and glorifying terrible results against relegation fodders.

In a hypothetical world where Guardiola / Klopp take on the interim job, would they have done better than RR with this squad, with this board, with this astronomical overpaid players, and under all the circumstances we were in in October?!
By the way, I wonder what were the mighty Klopp's winning percentage in his first 17 games in charge?

I'm very glad RR is here, at least the man knows one thing about football and methods, plus he's taking all the poison out of the locker room so everyone can see the snakes.

VIVA RR, feck Ronaldo & co.
 
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Watford

47 % wins. Look at the state of those fixtures. And then try to process that 47 % actually means we've won less than half of those. You just realise how far the standards have fallen at the mighty Manchester United when fans are making every excuse in the book to defend someone with a 47 % win percentage.

I remember a time where every point dropped was painful. Now we've got fans glorifying a 47 % win percentage against bottom of barrel teams. Sad to see the extent of our demise. One thing is owners/board derailing the club. A whole another is fans gleefully accepting mediocrity and glorifying terrible results against relegation fodders.

That's pretty grim.
 
Is it worth pulling a couple of strikers from the youths…. (I’ve got no idea if any are ready to step up) Can’t be any worse! 4th Place isn’t happening. No pressure on them just great experience.

Cheers
 
Who is doing this and where is this happening? We're dropping points due to shit tumescent embarrassing finishing in so many of these games, not all of them, but plenty of them. We're creating countless chances in most games, not all, but most, and making a total mess of it. It doesn't take a genius to see it, but most level headed people can see what's going on. It's infuriating and disappointing to watch over and over.

I don't see people being gleeful or glorifying, just being more rational. Everything is so extreme one way or the other on here.

He's probably being sarcastic. It's aimed at the people who wanted Solskjaer out asap due to the bad results right after he got the permanent gig (2 wins out of 8 in the PL) and a rather tragic first half of the 19/20 season (P:19, W:7 D:7 L:5), but are more willing to give Ralf the benefit of the doubt.

My take is that, as long as we don't give RR a 3-year deal on the spur of the moment (let's say, if he gets us to a CL semi or strings a few impressive results in the coming fixtures), but stick to the original plan instead, the standards at the mighty United have a slight chance of being risen again.

As for Ralf's more immediate objectives, we've reached the point where the tactics which made us stop leaking goals must be revised (to a degree). It's not simply about bad finishing. Fernandes often seems to be frustrated with the responsibilities in his deeper role, and it's just a bad joke watching Ronaldo, at 37, spending more and more time outside the box trying to initiate passages of play. I don't see an obvious solution, but it can go south very quickly if we keep dropping points.
 
I am starting to see Ole is better coach than Ralf now?! Caf has reached amazingly stupid heights that I thought was impossible. :lol:

And it's the usual stats Andies too, let's ignore the circumstances, the way our general play improved a lot from Ole and just look at stats, let's be dim about it! How can people look so simplistic at football? Bloody hell.
 
I am starting to see Ole is better coach than Ralf now?! Caf has reached amazingly stupid heights that I thought was impossible. :lol:

And it's the usual stats Andies too, let's ignore the circumstances, the way our general play improved a lot from Ole and just look at stats, let's be dim about it! How can people look so simplistic at football? Bloody hell.

Even our PL stats this season show us gaining 1.42 points per game with Ole and 2 points per game under Ralf. Ralf actually is doing better even than Conte in that regard.

In fact 2 points per game is better than Ole’s best ever season at United.
 
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Jesus Christ, 5? out of 19 big chances? Imagine if we actually had players that are not freaking selfish. We'd be above Chelsea now.

And it's not just about the finishing. We often lose any kind of momentum and allow the opposition defences to breathe more easily because, on numerous occasions, our players go for the spectacular (and surrender possession) when the easy pass/decision on the ball is actually the better option.
 
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