May I ask: how do you see if people have chose to ignore you?
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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May I ask: how do you see if people have chose to ignore you?
So, with the tough fixtures coming up, primarily in the Pl ,and with our somewhat indifferent results through the so-called 'easier fixtures' are we going to see Ralf have his own little LVG-esq purple patch now ?
That three game period under LVG was predominantly the brightest spark, minor the FA Cup victory, we had under his reign (of boredom) and one where there was little confidence heading into those fixtures.
Are we feeling the same now under Ralf and, like LVG, can we turn it around and surprise a few people ?
That three game period under LVG was predominantly the brightest spark, minor the FA Cup victory, we had under his reign (of boredom) and one where there was little confidence heading into those fixtures.
Are we feeling the same now under Ralf and, like LVG, can we turn it around and surprise a few people ?
When he signed for us I knew it would take a while for him to implement his system and style. It has taken longer than I thought but I did say, he would be playing his way by the CL game.
So, I am going to judge him based on how well we do in the CL, we need to start winning these games against slightly above average oppositions.
We want to aspire to be competing then this tie is a must win.
So, I am going to judge him based on how well we do in the CL, we need to start winning these games against slightly above average oppositions.
We want to aspire to be competing then this tie is a must win.
I am open to Ralf getting the job permanently IF we achieve a convincing 3rd place and progress deep into the CL with the team playing well. At least semi-finals.
He is a good interim, but think we should go for someone for 3 years. Rangnick is not the guy IMO, unless we get in the coaches he wants. But even then, i would rather an upgrade and Ralf to consultancy.
I can say it how it is as well, doesnt mean Id be the best fit for manager.
Rangnick has never been a tropy winning manager and he has had a long career. More importantly, the most of his career the past 20 years has been spent in administration.
The only good option on the table is Ten Hag
Does mostly the right things so far which is encouraging.
How id love if we go far in the CL. He took on a tough job with us completely out of sorts and a supposedly rotten dressing room then the Greenwood situation. Hes handled it all without much chaos.
You could argue we've yet to see what he's all about tactically as we've been expected to win pretty much every game he's been in charge for. Huge games over the next month will define his time here.
Seems like a good guy so i hope he seals top 4 and facilitates a sensible handover
You could argue we've yet to see what he's all about tactically as we've been expected to win pretty much every game he's been in charge for. Huge games over the next month will define his time here.
Seems like a good guy so i hope he seals top 4 and facilitates a sensible handover
I'm not even sure RR wants the job permanently, if a suitable candidate can't be found I'd rather just give him a season long contract and then have move upstairs after.
Doing well. What I do find strange is fan using since he came here stats to fluff up Tuchel last year but Rangnick is in that exact same position and not much is made of it.
Sometimes organisation is all that’s needed
Sometimes organisation is all that’s needed
Been an excellent interim manager thus far. The criticism he gets on here is totally beyond me. People seem to have forgotten just how awful we were under Ole this season before he was sacked.
Ralf has turned relegation form into decent form but I still think we wont make top 4. If the players weren't allergic to being ahead in games then we'd have a shot but the points dropped from winning positions will cost us.
Any match going fans noticed how ever since we came out from HT early to do that stupid mini warm up we concede within 15 mins so often?? Might be hearing hooves and shouting zebras but its a weird coincidence.
Wouldn't mind Ralf staying on if he gets us competitive in the big games coming up. Ten Hag seems good but pretty much completely unproven. My other concern with him would be his inexperience in England. Dutch football is basically zero contact and very much about positional play. He's done well in Europe but again refs are quick to blow up.
His Ajax team lost to spurs. We beat them in the europa final (was that Ten Hag?). Donny has come over and wants to pass pass pass but was he not getting picked because he doesn't win duels? Bearing in mind he was up against Scott and Fred he mustn't have been doing something pretty important.
Nothing against ETH but dutch football is so different and in recent years I can't think of any successful imports...
Any match going fans noticed how ever since we came out from HT early to do that stupid mini warm up we concede within 15 mins so often?? Might be hearing hooves and shouting zebras but its a weird coincidence.
Wouldn't mind Ralf staying on if he gets us competitive in the big games coming up. Ten Hag seems good but pretty much completely unproven. My other concern with him would be his inexperience in England. Dutch football is basically zero contact and very much about positional play. He's done well in Europe but again refs are quick to blow up.
His Ajax team lost to spurs. We beat them in the europa final (was that Ten Hag?). Donny has come over and wants to pass pass pass but was he not getting picked because he doesn't win duels? Bearing in mind he was up against Scott and Fred he mustn't have been doing something pretty important.
Nothing against ETH but dutch football is so different and in recent years I can't think of any successful imports...
I think he has done a really good job. Clear improvement on Ole. Especially, I think it is great that he has not been afraid to mix it up with his selections. AWB is crap, so why not play Dalot? Rashford is out of form, so why not bench him?
When looking at the results, you have to consider a few things. First, he took over a team in complete disarray that must have been super low on confidence. Second, he has clear limitations on his player material - Greenwood is now gone, and it was only recently he got Pogba back.
Let's see how it develops. Of course it would be best to get our long term manager in as soon as possible, but if the right guy is not available, I wouldn't mind keeping Ralfy onboard, provided things continue to trend in the right direction.
When looking at the results, you have to consider a few things. First, he took over a team in complete disarray that must have been super low on confidence. Second, he has clear limitations on his player material - Greenwood is now gone, and it was only recently he got Pogba back.
Let's see how it develops. Of course it would be best to get our long term manager in as soon as possible, but if the right guy is not available, I wouldn't mind keeping Ralfy onboard, provided things continue to trend in the right direction.
I'm not saying he should stay on. His results have been good since he came into a total shitshow.
He doing a good job on that front in my opinion.
Are you factoring in some of the performances in the losses too? As there were some pretty good ones.
If you're going to use the performance lens over the wins, should do the same over the losses.
I find it mental someone can just look at results and ignore all context
Hes had a fantastically easy run of games for the most part but hes also managing a fantastically dysfunctional squad so its still hard to make heads or tails of it IMO.
Personally I think he has done pretty well. I think that if we get top 4 he will have done a fantastic job but ultimately I think he is better off moving upstairs and letting another manager in.
I would suggest there is a reason he hasn't been managing much for the past X years. Either he isn't a top manager or he doesn't want to be a manager. I feel like Bielsa is a good comparison. By all accounts he is lauded by a lot of top managers as being top class and very influential but there is clearly something that means he isn't among the worlds elite managers.
I am happy with ETH or Poch. Getting Poch would finally put that debate to bed about whether he is good enough given a top club and resources. PSG is just a weird place to manage. I don't put much stock in anything that happens there.
Get ETH would be exciting but I have no idea how he would fare with such a spoilt bunch of players. Would they respect him enough for his ideas to work. Same reason someone like Potter would probably fail. The player are a bunch of overpaid, underworked, entitled ******* who would rather throw a good manager under the bus than have to look at themselves or work hard.
Personally I think he has done pretty well. I think that if we get top 4 he will have done a fantastic job but ultimately I think he is better off moving upstairs and letting another manager in.
I would suggest there is a reason he hasn't been managing much for the past X years. Either he isn't a top manager or he doesn't want to be a manager. I feel like Bielsa is a good comparison. By all accounts he is lauded by a lot of top managers as being top class and very influential but there is clearly something that means he isn't among the worlds elite managers.
I am happy with ETH or Poch. Getting Poch would finally put that debate to bed about whether he is good enough given a top club and resources. PSG is just a weird place to manage. I don't put much stock in anything that happens there.
Get ETH would be exciting but I have no idea how he would fare with such a spoilt bunch of players. Would they respect him enough for his ideas to work. Same reason someone like Potter would probably fail. The player are a bunch of overpaid, underworked, entitled ******* who would rather throw a good manager under the bus than have to look at themselves or work hard.
I think he's done a good job here. Not that any manager is beyond criticism, but I do think some of it is unfair. The results have been good in the main, and the performances have been slowly improving, while still not being good enough. But since he's come in, I think only Manchester City have more Premier League points and goals, while no team has lost fewer games. That's what I read, anyway.
Not too shabby.
Not too shabby.
It really isn't. He took a broken team that had conceded 16 goals in the last 6 matches, losing 4 of them. With the players being severely undercoached for 3 years.
It always was going to take a bit of time, regardless of who is the manager.
I really like him, think he’s done well, still don’t think he should keep the job. It would take a very special end of the season for me to change my mind. But he’s doing his current interim job well.
I completely disagree.
Look at the money United spent since Fergie left. Look at the different managers that all had different approach to the game.
It was like every new manager first needed 2 or 3 years of time and 10 transfers to build a team according to his vision.
And THAT is and was the problem of United in the last decade because you can never grow a really successful team like that.
For us at Bayern van Gaal did just that. He implemented an idea of football that is still the foundation today. And every player and coach we got (bar Kovac) and even the youth teams followed this approach.
Look at Barcelona and how long the foundation set by Pep carried them through different coaches.
Take a look at City where they basically already started to build a team for Pep 1 or 2 years before he joined.
Look at the well oiled machine that is Liverpool now. The scouting and transfer approach is completely adjusted to Klopps style of play (or he decides all transfers, I don't know).
United needs a new identity. A style of play that is characteristic to this club. An approach to the game that will last at least a decade and span multiple coaches and generations of players.
That's imo their only way back to the top of European football.
And I'd really trust Ralf with that.
I enjoyed seeing him giving our away fans the fist up pump after the game when our players and him went over to applaud them. Looked like he really enjoyed the win and has praised our amazing support several times
That's true, but that doesn't collide with what I wrote. The club didn't have a coherent vision in the past decade, but an incoherent one (as can be seen in the hiring of Mourinho after Van Gaal, and in giving Solksjaer the permanent manager position after claiming a DoF would be hired before a new manager would be decided, just because Solskjaer did well initially and was popular.)
But they have a DoF now, and that DoF hired Rangnick as interim and advisor, so we can assume he shares the latter's systematical approach and strives for coherence. He's also a seasoned club builder -at academy level- himself - he's just not given credit for it by anyone because bizarrely Man United fans don't care to know about their DoF.
The change in structure has JUST happened. The CEO has changed too, to one that doesn't want to meddle anymore. Now it's up to the DoF to do his job - which includes hiring a proper manager/head coach. He can rely on Rangnick for expertise, but he doesn't need Rangnick to do his job for him.
So many posters on here straight up refuse to acknowledge the reality of personnel changes and structure that has happened, at their own club, and then fantasize about some complete from the ground rebuild of their club that isn't actually arguably that broken anymore.
I wouldn't be against him staying, if only to carry out the required purge on this squad.
Tough month ahead, but regardless of results I find watching Ralf interesting. He goes about his business different to any other manager. So I’m looking forward to seeing him in Europe and then against the bigger teams in the league.
I dont expect much from the season and a Top 4 finish will never be something I care about…so I can just enjoy the ride and see how the team develops.
I dont expect much from the season and a Top 4 finish will never be something I care about…so I can just enjoy the ride and see how the team develops.
Hm maybe i just don't know enough about the DoF. I had the impression that he was more of a business guy and that they still lack the "football" brain.
I don't blame you. Even just basic online research on him brings scarce results. I simply happened to read a longer piece in the Athletic about him just yesterday
https://theathletic.com/3127282/2022/02/15/john-murtough-man-tasked-trying-fix-manchester-united/
Since we abandoned the 4222 we have been playing good.....but we still have some way to go, I will rather we stick to the plan and appoint someone like Ten Hag in the summer.
I’m quite happy with him as an interim and he’ll be a good consultant to work behind the scenes for our next manager and player recruitment. Likeable guy.
March will be his true test with the tough games coming up.
March will be his true test with the tough games coming up.
Lots of positives in last few games mainly sancho, pogba and bruno getting their form back. Finishing also became good lately with a settled backline. Midfield passing is somewhat okayish but not great.
Athletico doesn’t have carrasco so its an advantage to us.
My prediction against upcoming games are,
Athletico (a) 1-2 win
Watford (h) 2-0 win
City (a) - 0-2 loss
Spurs (h) - 1-1 draw
Athletico (h) 1-0 win
Liverpool (a) 2-2 draw
Hope we smash it and move from march without losing many points.
Athletico doesn’t have carrasco so its an advantage to us.
My prediction against upcoming games are,
Athletico (a) 1-2 win
Watford (h) 2-0 win
City (a) - 0-2 loss
Spurs (h) - 1-1 draw
Athletico (h) 1-0 win
Liverpool (a) 2-2 draw
Hope we smash it and move from march without losing many points.
Sooo, we win City?
Interesting. Thanks for posting
The honeymoon period is over now, and so far he's done a very decent job IMO. 1 defeat in 11 leagues game I think, and it's only a couple of silly draws that have prevented us from having an outstanding record under him. Yes we've had a nice run of fixtures but there are also noticeable signs of a structure emerging, so much so that even some of the dropped points have ended up feeling encouraging.
I don't subscribe to all this 'the players haven't been coached for 3 years' crap, but without a doubt (and to be fair its usually the case after a sacking) he took on a squad in a very poor place mentally. We shouldn't underestimate the damage that would have been done by those big defeats.
The next month though will show whether he should be considered for a extension. We shouldn't realistically be expecting us to win at City at Liverpool, or necessarily even to get past Atletico (though we should), but we must put out performances that suggest that he is tactically aware enough to have us not looking outclassed. He's had long enough here now to be judged on that in these coming weeks.
I don't subscribe to all this 'the players haven't been coached for 3 years' crap, but without a doubt (and to be fair its usually the case after a sacking) he took on a squad in a very poor place mentally. We shouldn't underestimate the damage that would have been done by those big defeats.
The next month though will show whether he should be considered for a extension. We shouldn't realistically be expecting us to win at City at Liverpool, or necessarily even to get past Atletico (though we should), but we must put out performances that suggest that he is tactically aware enough to have us not looking outclassed. He's had long enough here now to be judged on that in these coming weeks.
Yes. The performance against Wolves was awful
He's done fine-ish so far but the real test is ahead.
Our next 5-6 matches would give any top manager headache let alone interim one.
Best of luck to him and the team.
Our next 5-6 matches would give any top manager headache let alone interim one.
Best of luck to him and the team.
Even if we smash Atletico and get 9 points against City, Spurs and Liverpool I'd still go for Ten Hag
My bad , its 2-0 for citySooo, we win City?
Mad how only City have more points since he's joined. Feels like we've been doing much worse.
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