Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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red4ever 79 said:
Because he likes players who will press from the front. Klopp and Tuchel are influenced by him. Rashford isn't that kind of player. Doesn't even track back
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It’s unfair to judge our players on pressing when they have never been coached to do so
 
This is pretty much perfect as it should have longer term benefits for the footballing infrastructure at the club.
 
We need an rvn said:
Really not wanting to sound like an asre, but you do know a DOF is completely different from a manager. His recruiting of players and planning a strategy over 10 years is very different from what he is being asked to do now. What he did was amazing, but the pressure from a 4th tier German team is very different from United now.

Has he managed the likes of Ronaldo before, no. Does Ronaldo do high press at age 36, no.

I get that everyone is excited about the godfather of high press take over for a bit, but there are a lot of questions to be answered.

I think he'll be the fix for 6 months as the players will respect his immense knowledge over OGS, but I just have some questions
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Woukd you rather Steve Bruce took over or Carrick remained in charge? Because they seemed to be the only other options.

First and foremost we need a top class coach right now, someone that will move our football into the 21st century and Rangnick fits the bill perfectly as an interim appointment.
 
GMoore23 said:
The same was said of Van Gaal. Now I'm scared.
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Yep! me too! Rangnick may have pioneered the 'high press'... but shouldn't we be seeking to hire the man who can find a way around it... certainly with our current players?
 
GMoore23 said:
The same was said of Van Gaal. Now I'm scared.
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Van Gaals problem is his ideal style was ultimate control and never making mistakes. It didn't involve much risk and was too slow. Rangnicks is a high energy, fast attacking style. It just meshes with United fans better. Van Gaal was a very good coach and we were a well coached side - but his vision on the players to bring in and the style to play were not right for the club.
 
Poch and Ten Hag are the names but is it likely/possible Rangnick will have other names in mind if he's involved in the permanent manager hire?

Possible he finds an assistant that may inherent the reigns?
 
Everyone is so happy but this guy didn't manage any top tier team. I mean it is interim position so perhaps this is the best we can do. I'm not upset about this guy but I'm not happy either as most people seem to be.
 
What the hell is this? We don't do moves (good) like this. Who at the club now has half a clue?
 
Hoof The Ball said:
But then Tuchel is a student of Rangnick's and Chelsea's football involves a lot of possession identity and at the same time pressing. I don't think it's either one thing or the other to the extreme degree.

Pochettino, according to Spurs fans, haven't played that high press/high line since the first couple of seasons, and even since he hasn't played with it with PSG. By contrast, Ten Hag has only ever employed the high press/high line. So who is more Rangnick in practicality? Ten Hag. It might not be pure Rangnick, but it's presently more Rangnick than Poch's latter Spurs/present PSG.
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A direct approach doesn't mean a team won't necessarily have possession. More talented players are normally going to have more possession due to having better ability to pick a pass and when you consider that an effective pressing side will be able to win the ball back more quickly, it means that even if they have more misplaced passes than a purely possession-based side, they will still have high possession numbers due to the lack of time the opposition had on the ball. Pochettino has always tried to employ a high line and cover a lot of distance.

Imo almost all of the best managers have their teams press high. It just makes more sense, regardless of how you want to play once you actually have the ball back. It compresses space and puts the players closer together, making it much easier to crowd out opposition players and win the ball back quicker, while also meaning you have more passing options on the ball. Just because Klopp and Pep both employ a high line to make it easier to win back possession quickly doesn't mean what they instruct their players to do on the ball is the same.

Ten Hag as a top coach similarly plays a high line so he can win the ball back quickly in the event his team loses the ball, but from there he wants his teams to dominate possession, and Ajax tends to be a bit more patient in finding space for opportunities by passing the ball horizontally and camping on the opponents penalty area. They use more short passes than Klopp or Pochettino's teams do, and likewise Klopp and Poch try more defence-splitting passes and crosses. That doesn't mean Pep and Ten Hag teams don't ever try direct passes or crosses (Cancelo in particular has been deadly with his crosses this season), but they do tend to try less of them.

Tuchel's teams play a bit differently but generally their full backs play more like Liverpool's than City's imo. City's tend to come narrow a lot more while Tuchel's play high and wide (very similar to the way Poch uses his wing backs).
 
ExoduS said:
Everyone is so happy but this guy didn't manage any top tier team. I mean it is interim position so perhaps this is the best we can do. I'm not upset about this guy but I'm not happy either as most people seem to be.
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I'm more excited about the future consultancy position. I may not trust him 100%, but he is a footballing man and should be a proper upgrade on Murtough and Woody.
 
Positive development! Sounds like he'd be very well suited for the later consultant/DoF role as well. Fingers crossed!

Curious as to who we'll go for long term.
 
vanrooney said:
probably with sap sponsored hoffenheim against the mighty mainz. but regardless of his record he is a perfect fit for the job at front. he must develop structures for the long run
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His record vs Klopp broken down a bit further...

When Klopp was manager of Mainz:
Rangnick recorded 4 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss

When Klopp was manager of Dortmund:
Rangnick recorded 2 wins, 3 draws, 1 loss


Whichever way you look at it, he has the edge over Klopp... here's hoping it continues :devil:
 
ExoduS said:
Everyone is so happy but this guy didn't manage any top tier team. I mean it is interim position so perhaps this is the best we can do. I'm not upset about this guy but I'm not happy either as most people seem to be.
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I think you're not seeing the forest for the trees.

He turned down Chelsea and he's here for 2 years after his interim stint. He also reportedly rejected the job on Monday because he wanted more power, similar to Zidane.

He also built the Red Bull clubs and also recruited Nagelsmann for Leipzig, who we are well familiar with.

This is genuinely a long-term positive appointment and I don't think anyone is getting excited about this season but what's coming next.
 
Does anyone have an idea of diets and fitness routines his teams have previously undergone? Our players will need to be super fit and that menu that leaked a couple months back with burgers, chips and apple crumble will surely be scrapped. I even read Gerrard and Conte have banned plenty foods upon arriving at their new clubs.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Why is there an air of cynicism about literally everything on the CAF. Like we can never be happy, always got to have a dig somewhere
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It's exhaustingly boring. Just miserable people. This is entertainment, if it makes you this angry, every little thing this club does, find something else, it's just not healthy.
 
"... to sign players like Kylian Mbappe, that’s easy. But finding those hidden gems, those next ones – like Haaland – that’s what they should be doing. Ralf Rangnick does that time and time again.”
- Hargreaves

Well, that's got me excited
 
I hope he can work fast given how uncomfortable we look in possession these days, he has a lot of coaching to undo.
 
Dazzmondo said:
A direct approach doesn't mean a team won't necessarily have possession. More talented players are normally going to have more possession due to having better ability to pick a pass and when you consider that an effective pressing side will be able to win the ball back more quickly, it means that even if they have more misplaced passes than a purely possession-based side, they will still have high possession numbers due to the lack of time the opposition had on the ball. Pochettino has always tried to employ a high line and cover a lot of distance. Imo almost all of the best managers have their teams press high. It just makes more sense, regardless of how you want to play once you actually have the ball back. It compresses space and puts the players closer together, making it much easier to crowd out opposition players and win the ball back quicker, while also meaning you have more passing options on the ball. Just because Klopp and Pep both employ a high line to make it easier to win back possession quickly doesn't mean what they instruct their players to do on the ball is the same. Ten Hag as a top coach similarly plays a high line so he can win the ball back quickly in the event his team loses the ball, but from there he wants his teams to dominate possession, and Ajax tends to be a bit more patient in finding space for opportunities by passing the ball horizontally and camping on the opponents penalty area. They use more short passes than Klopp or Pochettino's teams do, and likewise Klopp and Poch try more defence-splitting passes and crosses. That doesn't mean Pep and Ten Hag teams don't ever try direct passes or crosses (Cancelo in particular has been deadly with his crosses this season), but they do tend to try less of them.
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Does Pochettino really play with a high line/high press anymore, though? I surveyed the Spurs fans on Fighting Cock and Reddit and they were mostly of the opinion that he abandoned it after the second season due to burnout/player's aging/squad shallowness, and hasn't shifted back to those early days since.
 
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