Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[DWelbz19]

So if the board chooses to replace Rangnick, it better goes for an Ancelotti type of manager with excellent man management skills but better tactical skills than Ole. However, the players will only become more powerful and no clear play style will be implemented like e.g. at Liverpool, Man City or Bayern. Don't know, if that's what the fans and club want.

That would work if we were Real Madrid from 5-6 years ago; with certified winners like Benzema, Ronaldo, Modric, Ramos etc. with multiple league and CL titles under their belts.

This side is predominantly massively overpaid without the CV to back it. We shouldn't be indulging in them with another 'arm around the shoulder and a little bit of tactics!' type of approach.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Do we? Aston Villa should've beaten us. I dread to think what sides like City, Liverpool and Chelsea would do to us playing the way we did on Monday night. Villa found it easy to move the ball forward and they're not even that great of a side.

Was there that big of a difference between the jammy win we got on Monday and the kind of jammy wins we were getting against Atalanta and Villareal earlier in the season?



We were not very good in possession but the key thing was we controlled, at least for an hour, the areas of the pitch in which the game was played. We were stealing the ball high up the pitch and, with better decision making, could've made more of where we were winning the ball.

Going back to 4-2-3-1 might make certain players in our squad more comfortable. However, as a team we look a lot ropier. Buendia was dancing through our defence on Monday night. Players who are his equal or better are going to relish the chance to play against us.

I think so.

Villa are just the best side we've faced in a while. No surprises our midfield looks easy to get through (it always has done hence why we used to sit deep and counter)

the 4-2-2-2 we barely made any chances. No goals against Wolves, 1 against Newcastle, 1 against Norwich. 1 against Palace. The only outlier was Burnley.

I think if we played 4-2-2-2 against them it would have been even worse IMO.

In the league game I'd like to see us play either the diamond and pack the midfield, force them into wide areas, or a 4-3-3 and make sure we block the central midfield areas.

Mctominay is suspended so i'd go Matic, Fred and Fernandes and try to counter with the front 3.

 

[#07]

I'm fed up of having no midfield and getting dominated by a simple 3 against 2. If Bruno is to play in a 4-2-3-1 it has to be deeper, otherwise I'd put him wide in a 4-3-3.

I think so.

Villa are just the best side we've faced in a while. No surprises our midfield looks easy to get through (it always has done hence why we used to sit deep and counter)

the 4-2-2-2 we barely made any chances. No goals against Wolves, 1 against Newcastle, 1 against Norwich. 1 against Palace. The only outlier was Burnley.

I think if we played 4-2-2-2 against them it would have been even worse IMO.

In the league game I'd like to see us play either the diamond and pack the midfield, force them into wide areas, or a 4-3-3 and make sure we block the central midfield areas.

Mctominay is suspended so i'd go Matic, Fred and Fernandes and try to counter with the front 3.

The big problem for us all season has been the ease with which teams run through the middle of us. They beat the 3 behind the striker and then its open season. We saw that a lot against Villa. Buendia ran our defence. Watkins hit the crossbar. Villa had two goals chalked off -- rightly so, yes, but if Ings holds his run just a bit...

It was very much back to what we were seeing against teams like Leicester, Watford etc where teams just built up a head of steam with ease and went through us.

I'm not going to pretend that the 4-2-2-2 has been amazingly dynamic. However, for the most part, it had stopped the bleeding. We might not have been very creative but, up until very recently, we weren't shipping chances. I don't like how the players' refusal/inability to execute the plan has led to us defaulting to their comfort zone. I worry if we go to Villa Park with a 4-2-3-1 at the weekend Coutinho and co are going to have us for dinner.

 

[Marwood]

Ralf was not hired to help us compete for trophies. He was hired to start the ball rolling of finally modernising Manchester United and phase out the SAF shaped hole that we’ve tried to fill for far, far too long. I don’t recall anyone saying that we were going to win Champions League and Premier League with Ralf, people were more excited as we were finally getting our act together and behaving like a modern club.

His interim manager remit is to basically assess what we have to work with to get us back to the top, like which players need to be fecked off, which players we should keep, which players we can possibly get a tune out of etc. Getting Champions League qualification is a bonus for him in my opinion.

We hired him for what’s happening after this 6 month period really. Thats been Ralfs focus for the past 10 years with the Red Bull project with him mainly being a technical director and once in a while will jump down and be head coach.

If United is a restaurant, then Ralf is primarily the Executive Chef and not the Head Chef.

I'd add the caveat that Rangnick himself has said he might remain manager beyond the end of this season. The way he said it sounded like it was something he wants.

So from his point of view it looks like there is a desire to stay on and win some pots.

 

[macheda14]

We’ve won the prem numerous times even with these owners. So explain your point? Chelsea have won the Prem they wasnt The best run club when Jose was in charge. Was Blackburn a well run club? They won it once.

So explain to me what you mean by well run club?

The rest of what you are saying is just a bunch of rubbish. All that can be done in the background which is what they claim to have been doing for 8 years now. We just need a system and top quality players ti play in it. That gets sorted out by a top level manager who knows what they are doing.

I mean Ferguson ran the club. He micromanaged every aspect of the club. And apart from that you’re going back to 2004/5/6 for the last time that a club without a solid structure throughout has won it. Is going that far back really relevant when the teams around us are the ones winning and are all well run. City are a machine from top to bottom. Chelsea have a good structure and are trigger happy in sacking, but it wins them trophies. Liverpool to an extent have awful owners who don’t invest BUT they have a great football director and a great manager.

Why’s it rubbish? I mean I just don’t get what your point here in a thread about Rangnick’s quality as an interim manager. Yes it would be great if we have a top level manager and top quality players. Is stating the obvious even worth saying? ‘We would do well with a good manager and good players and a good system’ isn’t really an opinion.

The two front runners for our next manager and probably the only two available that possibly meet the brief are Poch and ETH, they both play pressing football. Do you really not think it’s easier for the players we have (and we’re not gonna be doing a massive restructuring during jan or even in the summer) to have some foundational knowledge on how to press. This will make the transition period next season much shorter. Or should we have just continued with Carrick.

What are you actually proposing here?

 

[Daengophile]

Here is something Veron said about Fergie in a interview and I hope I don’t get flagged for this: He was so demanding with everybody. If you couldn’t keep up, it was clear you would have to look elsewhere”

this attitude is what we need in a manager…no question, Ralf talks a good talk but he would make a better DOF in my view, 6 months is not enough time to change things up.

We need to develop a team where all the players are fighting to be a part of it.

We seem to be, to some players at least, a team to abandon like rats on a sinking ship

 

[Artimities]

I think having him manager for the rest of the season is good as he will have a very good idea of what the players are capable of. Its one thing to watch on ipad or TV versus the touchline.

One thing RR mentioned early in his intro conference was the need for positive mentality. Talked about bring in a sports psyc. I think mentality and tactics will come.
The match against AV was huge for so many reasons. AV outplayed us and probably played aside from the recent liverpool game, the game of the season for them. They lost.
Im not a manager in the premier league, but if I was, I would come out and press and hassle United. Make us think and we are in trouble.
They did that and lost.
Now, the next game should be a nobrainer right? Coutinho is gonna play, at home, should have won on the road ... watch AV punt the pooch and get beat by 3 goals.
I would like to see Rashford get a run out again to try and right the ship. He was horrible last game. Bruno needs to play as well, but VDB deserves some run.

 

[tenpoless]

Do we? Aston Villa should've beaten us. I dread to think what sides like City, Liverpool and Chelsea would do to us playing the way we did on Monday night.

I think we should know by now that it's kinda pointless to predict what would happen against A because we did X against B. Under Ole we had so many good games against top teams, even beaten them some of the time and could have easily won a few others. By logic, because of that, we should have beaten most teams in the league. Didn't happen. We struggled against mid-lower table teams.

 

[Mainoldo]

I mean Ferguson ran the club. He micromanaged every aspect of the club. And apart from that you’re going back to 2004/5/6 for the last time that a club without a solid structure throughout has won it. Is going that far back really relevant when the teams around us are the ones winning and are all well run. City are a machine from top to bottom. Chelsea have a good structure and are trigger happy in sacking, but it wins them trophies. Liverpool to an extent have awful owners who don’t invest BUT they have a great football director and a great manager.

Why’s it rubbish? I mean I just don’t get what your point here in a thread about Rangnick’s quality as an interim manager. Yes it would be great if we have a top level manager and top quality players. Is stating the obvious even worth saying? ‘We would do well with a good manager and good players and a good system’ isn’t really an opinion.

The two front runners for our next manager and probably the only two available that possibly meet the brief are Poch and ETH, they both play pressing football. Do you really not think it’s easier for the players we have (and we’re not gonna be doing a massive restructuring during jan or even in the summer) to have some foundational knowledge on how to press. This will make the transition period next season much shorter. Or should we have just continued with Carrick.

What are you actually proposing here?

So let's just take Liverpool for example. Recent EPL and Champions League winners. We both agree... rubbish owners who we also have but we have more money. So we are one up. There Sporting Director has recently left but he's also been their in the Rodgers area and also responsible for getting players the manager would of classed at 'not their first option'. We currently have Mortugouh who picked Ralph who a lot like. So so far maybe out Director might be decent.

Are you now telling me that we cannot make this fix pretty quickly if we actually obtain a high quality manager with a vison of how to create a team in their image?

As for players not being able to press it's also quite simple. Get players that can.. Sorted our whole issue without flipping the club upside down and taking another 3 years.

 

[bosskeano]

you have to fit/tweak a system that suits the players not force a squad peg into a round hole.....that is one area i will give Ole credit for is he understood this isn't a possession based team, it is a team that thrived on the counter attack due to the pace we had up front and the lack of ball controlling midfielders

unfortunately those players went off the boil and got him sacked and that has just continued under Ralf along with him trying to implement a system that appears to not suit the players

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Forget about Top 4 this season. We have bigger problems to focus on. For the last 8 years, I am sick and tired of negative football. Chop and changing managers and we see no improvement at all. Players' power becoming more and more apparent. Players are not showing 100% commitment week in week out. Our board, the highest decision makers are mostly people from finance background.

Finally, this season Ed is leaving, Arnold seems to delegate football matters to football people, Murtough is appointed as DOF and in process to modernise the football structure of the club. Most importantly, he want to move away from stone age football that we play for the last 8 years and appointed Rangnick to start the ball rolling for modern style of play and instill discipline.

Lo and behold, 6 games in people is calling for his head and wanna replace him with people like Carrick, Conte and etc which will bring us back to negative football.

We need to trust the process of modernising our style of play. It will be painful but let's Rangnick lay the foundation. Hopefully, by start of next season with a new modern progressive manager the progress will be good.

It will be a dream come true if Man Utd start to play modern attacking with high pressing system. This is the only way we can compete with the best. Short term pain for long term gain.

 

[macheda14]

So let's just take Liverpool for example. Recent EPL and Champions League winners. We both agree... rubbish owners who we also have but we have more money. So we are one up. There Sporting Director has recently left but he's also been their in the Rodgers area and also responsible for getting players the manager would of classed at 'not their first option'. We currently have Mortugouh who picked Ralph who a lot like. So so far maybe out Director might be decent.

Are you now telling me that we cannot make this fix pretty quickly if we actually obtain a high quality manager with a vison of how to create a team in their image?

As for players not being able to press it's also quite simple. Get players that can.. Sorted our whole issue without flipping the club upside down and taking another 3 years.

So you think in one summer we can completely refresh our squad and then next season the players are immediately playing in the new managers image?

How long did it take Pep? A whole year to take a squad that was already full of multiple league winners up to his standard. Klopp? Three years.

How long will it take us ‘to get players in that can’ we’re not buying half a new squad in one summer.

Im sorry that no one else lives in your dreamland of immediate results and quick fixes.

 

[Mainoldo]

So you think in one summer we can completely refresh our squad and then next season the players are immediately playing in the new managers image?

How long did it take Pep? A whole year to take a squad that was already full of multiple league winners up to his standard. Klopp? Three years.

How long will it take us ‘to get players in that can’ we’re not buying half a new squad in one summer.

Im sorry that no one else lives in your dreamland of immediate results and quick fixes.

Yep basically that. It took Pep a whole year to then win a title. It took Klopp a couple more years due to having a very poor team far worse than our with less resources.

So I would fully expect a competitive team within a summer. That's what good managers do. Look at Conte.

The only people that live in dreamland or United and Arsenal fans who believe in this 3 year 'process'

 

[NinjaZombie]

I'd be disappointed if we had the chance to get ETH but got Pochetinno.

Also, what's the point of having Rangnick in a consultant role if you're going to ignore his consul?

 

[#07]

Yep basically that. It took Pep a whole year to then win a title. It took Klopp a couple more years due to having a very poor team far worse than our with less resources.

So I would fully expect a competitive team within a summer. That's what good managers do. Look at Conte.

The only people that live in dreamland or United and Arsenal fans who believe in this 3 year 'process'

To some extent it depends on the ambition of the club.

Conte always, always buys a lot of players. He nearly quit Inter twice because he was annoyed they weren't getting his targets.

To have real hope for next season we need to see United abandon the 'to protect value' strategy and get shot of a lot of our unneeded/unwanted players.

Then we need United bring in players bought to suit the specific requirements of the style of football our coach intends to play.

At that point we can have proper expectations for next season. Just continuing to randomly pick up 'good' players without any thought of how they fit together will see this crap continue though.

My hope, when we got Rangnick, was that we were getting a guy who had a clear idea of how he wanted to play, who would then advise us how to build a squad to suit a high pressing, dynamic style of football.

What I'm seeing instead is Rangnick slowly surrender key parts of his footballing philosophy to suit the whims of a squad, which is overpaid, overpriced, overindulged and overrated.

I'd be disappointed if we had the chance to get ETH but got Pochetinno.

Also, what's the point of having Rangnick in a consultant role if you're going to ignore his consul?

Man Utd innit.

I said earlier in this thread, I see this whole Rangnick thing fizzling out quick time: The 'stars' being rewarded for their rebellion with the coach they want, while Rangnick's 'consultancy' turns out to be getting paid a lot for a phone call every now and again to tell the Board stuff it ignores.

No doubt in a year's time the 'stars' will have already decided Poch isn't big enough for them and will be moaning about him through their agents/intermediaries.

 

[macheda14]

Yep basically that. It took Pep a whole year to then win a title. It took Klopp a couple more years due to having a very poor team far worse than our with less resources.

So I would fully expect a competitive team within a summer. That's what good managers do. Look at Conte.

The only people that live in dreamland or United and Arsenal fans who believe in this 3 year 'process'

It took Pep a whole season of almost not making top 4 when he had a squad who had won multiple premier league titles. They weren't competitive 'within a summer'.

I mean where should we look at Conte? At Chelsea where again most of that squad had won multiple league titles? At Spurs where they looked good for three games, but for the most part look crap? At Inter which again took a whole season and coincided with the dominant team dropping off a cliff?

I mean there are only two managers of a 'top' quality available this summer. ETH and Poch. It took ETH a season to get Ajax to where they are, it took Poch a few to get spurs challenging.

The only club that ever really sees instant results from managerial changes is Chelsea, but that's because they've had a consistently good squad for the last 10 years. We have not. Tuchel won the CL instantly, but realistically they even aren't a competitive team in the league. City are way ahead. It's not just about getting our team better, it's the fact that Liverpool, City and now Chelsea all have a head start on us.

I'm not saying necessarily 3 year. I'm saying that even if we brought in Pep or Klopp I wouldn't expect us to be challenging until 23/24.

 

[bond19821982]

you have to fit/tweak a system that suits the players not force a squad peg into a round hole.....that is one area i will give Ole credit for is he understood this isn't a possession based team, it is a team that thrived on the counter attack due to the pace we had up front and the lack of ball controlling midfielders

unfortunately those players went off the boil and got him sacked and that has just continued under Ralf along with him trying to implement a system that appears to not suit the players

Really? He signed them all even though he had a chance to make a possession team out of it.

Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw, Matic, Pogba, Donny,Martial - he had an excellent base to make a possession based team. He just didn't know how to make use of it.

 

[el3mel]

It took Pep a whole season of almost not making top 4 when he had a squad who had won multiple premier league titles. They weren't competitive 'within a summer'.

I mean where should we look at Conte? At Chelsea where again most of that squad had won multiple league titles? At Spurs where they looked good for three games, but for the most part look crap? At Inter which again took a whole season and coincided with the dominant team dropping off a cliff?

I mean there are only two managers of a 'top' quality available this summer. ETH and Poch. It took ETH a season to get Ajax to where they are, it took Poch a few to get spurs challenging.

The only club that ever really sees instant results from managerial changes is Chelsea, but that's because they've had a consistently good squad for the last 10 years. We have not. Tuchel won the CL instantly, but realistically they even aren't a competitive team in the league. City are way ahead. It's not just about getting our team better, it's the fact that Liverpool, City and now Chelsea all have a head start on us.

I'm not saying necessarily 3 year. I'm saying that even if we brought in Pep or Klopp I wouldn't expect us to be challenging until 23/24.

City were comfortably top 4 throughout Pep's first season. When did they "almost not make top 4"?

And Conte's Spurs are ahead of us in the table while playing one game less despite being hindered by the absolute shit start under Nuno.

 

[crossy1686]

I'd be disappointed if we had the chance to get ETH but got Pochetinno.

Also, what's the point of having Rangnick in a consultant role if you're going to ignore his consul?

I think the reality is one is available in the summer and one isn't.

 

[crossy1686]

Well we've stopped conceding 3 goals a game which is nice I guess. Still struggling at the other end however...

 

[Mainoldo]

It took Pep a whole season of almost not making top 4 when he had a squad who had won multiple premier league titles. They weren't competitive 'within a summer'.

I mean where should we look at Conte? At Chelsea where again most of that squad had won multiple league titles? At Spurs where they looked good for three games, but for the most part look crap? At Inter which again took a whole season and coincided with the dominant team dropping off a cliff?

I mean there are only two managers of a 'top' quality available this summer. ETH and Poch. It took ETH a season to get Ajax to where they are, it took Poch a few to get spurs challenging.

The only club that ever really sees instant results from managerial changes is Chelsea, but that's because they've had a consistently good squad for the last 10 years. We have not. Tuchel won the CL instantly, but realistically they even aren't a competitive team in the league. City are way ahead. It's not just about getting our team better, it's the fact that Liverpool, City and now Chelsea all have a head start on us.

I'm not saying necessarily 3 year. I'm saying that even if we brought in Pep or Klopp I wouldn't expect us to be challenging until 23/24.

Sounds like a bunch of irrelevant excuses. We've been sitting on a top 5 side for literally 3 years now. The explosion has already happened. We have numerous players who want to leave and a bunch of players who will be out the door in the summer.

I'm not asking us to win the league. What I'm saying is they are 2 settled teams in this league City and Liverpool. Whilst we sit in a Category just below. For us to be top of this just below mountain is very easy but requires a few key factors. What I don't agree with is that we need a complete overall of the top to bottom strategy with a new youth system and new buildings around the complex of Old trafford to do it.

We literally need 1 of ETH, Poch, Zidane or say Mancini. Then they have to inform the club of the exact style and system they are going to incorporate followed by what players they require.

If this style and system means we have to sell Marcus Rashford to PSG (Example). We do it.

 

[macheda14]

City were comfortably top 4 throughout Pep's first season. When did they "almost not make top 4"?

And Conte's Spurs are ahead of us in the table while playing one game less despite being hindered by the absolute shit start under Nuno.

They finished three points ahead of 5th. That isn’t comfortable. That’s one loss away from not making top 4.

Yes and we’re also shit. They haven’t suddenly become a good side, they just had some decent results as well as some absolutely shocking performances resulting in some wins or draws.

But that doesn’t contradict my point anyway. It’s unrealistic to think a manager will come in this summer and make us challenge immediately. It happens once in a blue moon.

 

[Tallis]

They finished three points ahead of 5th. That isn’t comfortable. That’s one loss away from not making top 4.

Yes and we’re also shit. They haven’t suddenly become a good side, they just had some decent results as well as some absolutely shocking performances resulting in some wins or draws.

But that doesn’t contradict my point anyway. It’s unrealistic to think a manager will come in this summer and make us challenge immediately. It happens once in a blue moon.

Don’t disagree with the notion of having more patience but recent experience suggests that underperforming big clubs seems to have a strong (but short term in many cases) bounce back when they change managers. Even we had that with Ole. Tuchel won the CL and Arteta won the FA cup.

 

[bond19821982]

City were comfortably top 4 throughout Pep's first season. When did they "almost not make top 4"?

And Conte's Spurs are ahead of us in the table while playing one game less despite being hindered by the absolute shit start under Nuno.

Think he is confused about the season where they finished the top 4 above us based on GD.

Point stands- City has been planning for Pep for years. That's exactly what we should be doing too. Make the team ready for next manager. Others who are expecting a quick response can do us a favor and stop watching us for next 6 months. Just came back when we start winning.

 

[el3mel]

They finished three points ahead of 5th. That isn’t comfortable. That’s one loss away from not making top 4.

Yes and we’re also shit. They haven’t suddenly become a good side, they just had some decent results as well as some absolutely shocking performances resulting in some wins or draws.

But that doesn’t contradict my point anyway. It’s unrealistic to think a manager will come in this summer and make us challenge immediately. It happens once in a blue moon.

They were inside the top 4 this entire season. Instead of bringing the table from internet, why not try to talk like someone who actually watched the games back then ?

With proper signings and the proper manager, I see no reason why this club shouldn't at least put a decent title challenge. As long as we keep lowering the expectation and give ton of time for each manager with excuses and thinking top 4 is good enough as a start, we'll never, ever challenge for the league again.

We're 9 years post Fergie and we're still thinking the target next season should be top 4 only. Crazy. By this rate I expect us to repeat the Liverpool tragedy and go 30 years without a league title. Can see it happening easily at this point.

 

[macheda14]

They were inside the top 4 this entire season. Instead of bringing the table from internet, why not try to talk like someone who actually watched the games back then ?

With proper signings and the proper manager, I see no reason why this club shouldn't at least put a decent title challenge. As long as we keep lowering the expectation and give ton of time for each manager with excuses and thinking top 4 is good enough as a start, we'll never, ever challenge for the league again.

We're 9 years post Fergie and we're still thinking the target next season should be top 4 only. Crazy. By this rate I expect us to repeat the Liverpool tragedy and go 30 years without a league title. Can see it happening easily at this point.

They were in the top 4 all season, but they were not convincing. I mean that was the season ‘Pep Guardiola is my idol’ became a meme because people were mistaken in thinking he couldn’t hack it. because shock horror they had expectations like yours and didn’t clock that it takes a while to get a team playing in the image of its manager.

Are you telling me we should have higher expectations than City had when they bought in Pep and had a squad of title winners?

Pep had a stronger squad than we do and he couldn’t keep up with a Spurs and Chelsea side who are far weaker than the current Liverpool and City sides.

It’s not about lowering expectations, it’s about being realistic. We are so far away from Liverpool and City right now it’s a joke. How can can you honestly expect a manger to come in and raise our standards to theirs in one season. It just doesn’t work like that. In two seasons probably, but in one? Why are you setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[Hansi Fick]

Think he is confused about the season where they finished the top 4 above us based on GD.

Point stands- City has been planning for Pep for years. That's exactly what we should be doing too. Make the team ready for next manager. Others who are expecting a quick response can do us a favor and stop watching us for next 6 months. Just came back when we start winning.

They may have been planning to have him take over, but how exactly you want to make that out in their pre-Pep transfer windows is a bit more murky to me.
Pep came in summer of 2016.
The summer before, City had signed De Bruyne, Sterling, Otamendi, and Delph. Strong and expensive additions, no doubt, but nothing marks them as players specifically signed for Pep's football.
Go one more year back, and you have Mangala, Fernando, Sagna, none of who played any role for Pep.

Other than having a strong squad and investing heavily in it, there's nothing specifically targeted at the future manager in any of City's dealings before they signed Pep, really. Teams are always ready for top managers to work with them.

 

[B. Munich]

As for players not being able to press it's also quite simple. Get players that can.

I don't think they can't but rather, for some reason, don't want to press.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Really? He signed them all even though he had a chance to make a possession team out of it.

Maguire, Lindelof, Shaw, Matic, Pogba, Donny,Martial - he had an excellent base to make a possession based team. He just didn't know how to make use of it.

Martial... possession based ?

Spoiler

 

[Stobzilla]

My gut says that he is going to be given a further 12 months.

 

[bond19821982]

Martial... possession based ?

Spoiler

He was signed by LVG . Still think that way ?

 

[Beans]

I don't think they can't but rather, for some reason, don't want to press.

I don't think they're fit enough to press all game. May need to get an asthma diagnosis for half our squad to keep up with the top teams.

 

[B. Munich]

We literally need 1 of ETH, Poch, Zidane or say Mancini. Then they have to inform the club of the exact style and system they are going to incorporate followed by what players they require.

I don't think that's the right approach. What will happen, if the manager leaves or is fired after 2 or 3 years. Complete rebuild again to fit another philosophy of the new manager?

It's the board which needs to decide about the way they want Man United to play. Similar to Ajax, Bayern, Barcelona or Man City. Then, and only then, they can decide on the best manager to implement the club's football philosophy.

Appointing Moyses, then LvG followed by Mourinho and eventually Ole only proves the board for no idea how they want Man United to play.

 

[mu4c_20le]

He was signed by LVG . Still think that way ?

I don't think LVG personally vets every one of his signings.. I just can't picture him reviewing dozens of hours of Schneiderlin footage and still thinking he's the right one. He seems more like the kind of person who gives a profile to the scouting dept and lets them do their thing. That's probably for a different thread though... just found that part amusing, regardless of which manager you meant. Martial, playing an intelligent possession based game!

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

After reading articles over at The Athletic on what RR is doing before, during, and after matches, his approach and tactical nous becomes more clear. Against Villa in the FA Cup, Bruno had been deployed as part of a midfield 3 but kept pushing (too) high up the pitch in an almost false-9 role, which caused our midfield to be overrun. In the 2nd half, RR switched that to a midfield diamond and used the wingers as forwards. They also talked about how we started as 4231 and then gradually shifted our shape. I wish commentators during matches were a little more tactically aware and could likewise explain things. Not saying The Athletic writers are without error, but it beats the hell out of the simplistic commentary we normally get, variations on "and McTominay knocks it out of play for a goal kick," yes, we get it, we just saw it.

I think RR has been trying to get a badly misfiring engine to run smoothly. The article also mentioned that Ole had 2 clean sheets in his last 25 matches, averaging 1.7 goals against, and RR has 0.6 goals against per match and 3 clean sheets in his last 7. So RR has begun by getting the defense to defend.

In the first half, our plan was working well, the diagonal balls from McT finding Rashford on the wing in space. It was the individual decision making from that point forward that let us down, as we all saw several instances of players electing to shoot rather than play in a teammate.

The problem with this team is no longer a tactically naive manager, it's the players themselves are not up to the task.

link to the article in question, likely behind a paywall: https://theathletic.com/3063637/202...pe-but-manchester-united-continue-to-stutter/

 

[phelans shorts]

After reading articles over at The Athletic on what RR is doing before, during, and after matches, his approach and tactical nous becomes more clear. Against Villa in the FA Cup, Bruno had been deployed as part of a midfield 3 but kept pushing (too) high up the pitch in an almost false-9 role, which caused our midfield to be overrun. In the 2nd half, RR switched that to a midfield diamond and used the wingers as forwards. They also talked about how we started as 4231 and then gradually shifted our shape. I wish commentators during matches were a little more tactically aware and could likewise explain things. Not saying The Athletic writers are without error, but it beats the hell out of the simplistic commentary we normally get, variations on "and McTominay knocks it out of play for a goal kick," yes, we get it, we just saw it.

I think RR has been trying to get a badly misfiring engine to run smoothly. The article also mentioned that Ole had 2 clean sheets in his last 25 matches, averaging 1.7 goals against, and RR has 0.6 goals against per match and 3 clean sheets in his last 7. So RR has begun by getting the defense to defend.

In the first half, our plan was working well, the diagonal balls from McT finding Rashford on the wing in space. It was the individual decision making from that point forward that let us down, as we all saw several instances of players electing to shoot rather than play in a teammate.

The problem with this team is no longer a tactically naive manager, it's the players themselves are not up to the task.

link to the article in question, likely behind a paywall: https://theathletic.com/3063637/202...pe-but-manchester-united-continue-to-stutter/

I’d just like to point out that football coverage is (rightly) aimed more towards the casual viewer and people who aren’t necessarily glued to what they’re watching, maybe talking to the person next to them so commentary needs to be broad strokes and explaining what’s happening in that moment, and that’s before mentioning partially sighted or even blind people who have an interest in the game.

And also let’s not forget, tactics talk is largely also very boring

 

[Mainoldo]

I don't think they can't but rather, for some reason, don't want to press.

Yeah they clearly can press. They just have the authority at the club to do what they want.

 

[Mainoldo]

I don't think that's the right approach. What will happen, if the manager leaves or is fired after 2 or 3 years. Complete rebuild again to fit another philosophy of the new manager?

It's the board which needs to decide about the way they want Man United to play. Similar to Ajax, Bayern, Barcelona or Man City. Then, and only then, they can decide on the best manager to implement the club's football philosophy.

Appointing Moyses, then LvG followed by Mourinho and eventually Ole only proves the board for no idea how they want Man United to play.

No you are right. They do.. but it has to be lead by a world class manager. Only then can you go on and adopt their approach or certain principles going forward with the future employees.

It’s basically what we are doing with SAF. Only problem is it need evolving.

 

[Longsight Red]

Forget about Top 4 this season. We have bigger problems to focus on. For the last 8 years, I am sick and tired of negative football. Chop and changing managers and we see no improvement at all. Players' power becoming more and more apparent. Players are not showing 100% commitment week in week out. Our board, the highest decision makers are mostly people from finance background.

Finally, this season Ed is leaving, Arnold seems to delegate football matters to football people, Murtough is appointed as DOF and in process to modernise the football structure of the club. Most importantly, he want to move away from stone age football that we play for the last 8 years and appointed Rangnick to start the ball rolling for modern style of play and instill discipline.

Lo and behold, 6 games in people is calling for his head and wanna replace him with people like Carrick, Conte and etc which will bring us back to negative football.

We need to trust the process of modernising our style of play. It will be painful but let's Rangnick lay the foundation. Hopefully, by start of next season with a new modern progressive manager the progress will be good.

It will be a dream come true if Man Utd start to play modern attacking with high pressing system. This is the only way we can compete with the best. Short term pain for long term gain.

Aptly put! Unfortunately our fan base doesnt posses the patience for the long term gain. (Sigh)

 

[Mainoldo]

I don't think LVG personally vets every one of his signings.. I just can't picture him reviewing dozens of hours of Schneiderlin footage and still thinking he's the right one. He seems more like the kind of person who gives a profile to the scouting dept and lets them do their thing. That's probably for a different thread though... just found that part amusing, regardless of which manager you meant. Martial, playing an intelligent possession based game!

Are you dizzy! Martial can’t play a possession game? Is that what you was implying?