De gea has been been MOTM for us in pretty much every game since RR got here, so what the feck is Henderson expecting? And who the feck do the 'senior' players think are responsible for the us having the 'worst group of players' and 'atmosphere. What a bunch of lily livered feckbots.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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Neither Klopp or Guardiola would take shit from any players that are not performing according to their expectations on and off the field. Any player that is unhappy or feel like going against Rangnick after such a short time never had the intentions of backing the direction the club have chosen. There are no point in pandering to whiners with loser mentality that are afraid of putting in effort needed to improve and succeed. This squad needs a big clear out and some examples need to be made for clubs sake. This squad do not respect the fans or the club. We are going to need patience to turn this around and it wont be pretty in the near future until we have assembled a squad that are conform with what the club wants to achieve long term.
Yeah completely agree and think they deserve pelters for it at the Villa game, well that's if there isn't mass changes of course
So who are these “senior players”?
The players reported elsewhere to be the unhappy ones are Lingard, Bailly, DvB and Henderson. Hardly senior players. And ones that weren’t in favour under Ole either.
Yes my money is also on Lingard. I hope ragnick stop featuring him on the bench also.
I was happy for Jesse to stay as an option, but everything I’ve ever seen from him earmarks him as a bit of a shitbag in my opinion.
Henderson isn’t being allowed to leave and wants to play football, let him go.
To be sticking the knife in and leaking stories to the media when the team is struggling is unforgivable. We need to get them out now.
Agreed. Terrible. Some of them are on wages a week that would take the average person 15 years to accumulate.
Yeah we are clear seeing now why this board was so utterly shit scared of appointing Conte. He would have demanded action from everyone in the club whoever they are
Did they? There were reports that the players didn’t rate them either, McKenna particularly being criticised for being “schoolmasterly” or some such bollocks.
Senior players are probably causing a divide in the dressing room though you can't argue with that
The issue is the players we recruit; they are weak and void of accepting any blame; this has been proven in their performances. As Roy said, they threw Jose and Ollie under the bus and will try the same with Ralf. We lack leaders who show any sign of a willingness to work to get out of this slump. We have had all types of managers since Fergie left, but the big issues have been the recruitment process and executivemanagement. We haven't carried out proper due diligence and have bought mercenary players who are only interested in their profiles and money, not the betterment of the club. Most of the top clubs are well run from the top; we are not, we are now suffering the consequences. Until we are managed from the top-down better, we will continue to be in this position.
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Already know there will be a PR war between Rangnick and our players. It's up to our board to solve this but I am not optimist. Our players just want to enjoy their world class salary without any pressure of winning anything.
For me the biggest issue is our board, there will be no leadership without a strong hierarchy. No manager will have the same power as SAF so our board need to step in to step in give manager that power, or utilize their power themselves (aka Abramovich), but they are just coward/incompetence. RR is a pretty strong character so if it's up to me I would just give him full power to drop/sell any senior player who doesn't fit the plan (even Ronaldo) or doesn't want to try and let him rebuild the team.
For me the biggest issue is our board, there will be no leadership without a strong hierarchy. No manager will have the same power as SAF so our board need to step in to step in give manager that power, or utilize their power themselves (aka Abramovich), but they are just coward/incompetence. RR is a pretty strong character so if it's up to me I would just give him full power to drop/sell any senior player who doesn't fit the plan (even Ronaldo) or doesn't want to try and let him rebuild the team.
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Mitten and Whitwell always said McKenna was well liked and everyone at the club seemed to rate him. Even in the “schoolmastery” article by ducker it was still a positive piece about how he was on the same trajectory as Rodgers had gone.
Our senior players would be the likes of Ronaldo, De Gea, Jones, Mata, Shaw, Matic etc.
Plus Bruno, Maguire, Rashford, Cavani, Pogba.
All of the Frustrated Four got a chance against Young Boys.
Lingard was shit. Donny was OK but nothing special, plus he made the error that led to YBs’ goal.
Bailly and Henderson were fine, but there are perfectly good reasons why they aren’t first choice. If Hendo in particular thinks he should be a starter (and I fully understand why he does) then he needs to accept it’s not going to happen at United with DDG playing like he is and move on.
Lingard was shit. Donny was OK but nothing special, plus he made the error that led to YBs’ goal.
Bailly and Henderson were fine, but there are perfectly good reasons why they aren’t first choice. If Hendo in particular thinks he should be a starter (and I fully understand why he does) then he needs to accept it’s not going to happen at United with DDG playing like he is and move on.
Well if all of that lot are anti-Ralf then he doesn’t stand a chance.
Shaw’s interview suggests that’s not the case though.
If a player goes whining to a journalist he’s obviously going to claim that his “concerns” are shared by many of his colleagues. Otherwise he’d just look like he was carrying a grudge.
Should have gone with Conte. He would tear them a new one and kick all these divas out. Hope Rangnick given a chance to do that. No wonder they love Ole huh when he let them do whatever the feck they want cause he had no balls
I dont understand Bailly as well. He plays two games and then gets injured for four months. What are we supposed to do, play him when his hamstring is torn.
That was one source.
Something is rotten in the state of denmark. The club is rotten. Six or seven of the players have to go. And you are looking at a 2/3 year rebuilt.
He dosn´t accept any bullshit so that is understandable and i agree that he would demand action to be taken. The clubs board have to earn their wage now and have to deal with the situation. The club leadership should be furious at the squad as they openly sabotage the clubs efforts with all this nonsense. We need high standards on the pitch and off it to succeed which have to be set from leadership from the top down.
Imagine Harry Maguire having a moan because he thinks another player is ‘undroppable’! Honestly you couldn’t write it.
Being coddled for 3 years by the best "man manager" would do that. Imagine a teacher who let the students in his class do whatever the feck they wanted, of course he will be their favourite teacher. When this teacher got fired and a new teacher with strict method is appointed, they will kick their toys out of the pram. Same with this lot
I think the fans for the most part are on Rangnick's side. There is little appetite for whinging or covert PR campaigns. I'd love to see Ralf press home his advantage and be ruthless with anyone reluctant to get on board.
True.
As others have said DDG has probably been our best player this season so I don't know what Henderson can complain about other than maybe not being allowed to leave.
I can't even form an opinion on Ralf because it's too early anyway and now we're hearing all these stories which aren't making his life any easier. We ain't getting top 4 this season though. Yet ANOTHER fecking rebuild and cultural reset beckons.
I can't even form an opinion on Ralf because it's too early anyway and now we're hearing all these stories which aren't making his life any easier. We ain't getting top 4 this season though. Yet ANOTHER fecking rebuild and cultural reset beckons.
Seems like a fair percentage of them have decided they aren't going to buy into him so don't know what else he can do. He could maybe bring Donny in from the cold for the next few games but doubt that will convince them.
Seems like O.Dembele would be perfect for us after all
This.
Yeah giving Ole that international break and letting Spurs take Conte has proved to be a monumental mistake which we are paying for right now
The fans should have rangnicks back, however, we expect changes. He needs to be ruthless and show progress in one way or another.
Watford scored few against us compared to the situation now, I see defensive improvements
Christ, these players are really sticking a massive two fingers up at the fans here. I don't care how bad they think the coaches are, they're fecking temporary. Put some effort in and if it didn't work tactically then at least you've tried and the fans will respect it.
Every Manchester United supporter right now should be fuming with what is going on. The club need to come down hard on the players and just make an example of a few big names and feck them off. Forget the money, just get rid of as many of these c*cks as possible. I feel like this is going to have to be a scorched earth rebuild from top to bottom. Woodward, players, obviously a new manager, new coach... I'd even be questioning why the presence of Fletcher hasn't prevented this or even Murtough. The players just obviously don't fear any repercussions from anybody involved with the club.
Let some fecking fans in to the training ground to give them a piece of their mind for all I care. They need to realise how this affects everybody that cares for the club.
Every Manchester United supporter right now should be fuming with what is going on. The club need to come down hard on the players and just make an example of a few big names and feck them off. Forget the money, just get rid of as many of these c*cks as possible. I feel like this is going to have to be a scorched earth rebuild from top to bottom. Woodward, players, obviously a new manager, new coach... I'd even be questioning why the presence of Fletcher hasn't prevented this or even Murtough. The players just obviously don't fear any repercussions from anybody involved with the club.
Let some fecking fans in to the training ground to give them a piece of their mind for all I care. They need to realise how this affects everybody that cares for the club.
I think fans would be willing to accept a bumpy ride now if he was willing to freeze out anybody with the wrong attitude or that is causing terrible. He'll be doing what we would love to do ourselves. Play some kids and finish mid table for all I care.
I suggested this to mates. My pick was Lindelof. He may be physically quite weak compared to other CBs but I think he’d excel in the dm position given time.
Great pass on him, positioning is sound and if he gets out muscled has a player in behind him protecting the keeper.
His impact has definitely been weak.
Just hope we get the permanent manager appointment right.
Just hope we get the permanent manager appointment right.
The club should have hired Conte for a season and just pay over the odds. Top four would have been a closer guarantee and the performances would have been better. Glazers have made such poor decisions, too much belief in Ole and now hiring a manager who's best influence comes as a DOF. One bad decision after another.
Funny how the leaks started right after the afternoon sessions. Before word from the dressing rooms is that they all liked Rangnick's method.
I am so pissed off at these snakes. Have they no shame ? How do you talk after these performances from this year. There's zero accountability. All these snakes need to go.
Rangnick, Fletcher & Murtogh need to sit down with the squad. The message has to be clear if we find out you are leaking to the press, you are gone. If you don't want to show for afternoon sessions, Leave. If you are unhappy, Leave
I am of the mind that Rangnick might not be the coach for the long-term. But it won't matter who we bring in, if this is the attitude in the dressing room. There needs to be a clear out.
Klopp missed a year UCL in his 1st year. UTD need to be willing to take the same approach. It will hurt not making UCL next year but the focus in the offseason has to be establishing a better foundation and a better culture. And culture, I don't mean the BS of United way. We need a dressing room of players who can hold each other accountable. Because from what we are seeing is a dressing room of players who are happy to be overpaid but don't want to put in the extra effort to make this right. As soon as we heard the leaks about the unsatisfaction of the late sessions I knew they would look to throw the manager under the bus.
And absolutely in no terms should Poch be the next manager especially with the same squad. He doesn't have the toughness to call these players on their BS.
I am so pissed off at these snakes. Have they no shame ? How do you talk after these performances from this year. There's zero accountability. All these snakes need to go.
Rangnick, Fletcher & Murtogh need to sit down with the squad. The message has to be clear if we find out you are leaking to the press, you are gone. If you don't want to show for afternoon sessions, Leave. If you are unhappy, Leave
I am of the mind that Rangnick might not be the coach for the long-term. But it won't matter who we bring in, if this is the attitude in the dressing room. There needs to be a clear out.
Klopp missed a year UCL in his 1st year. UTD need to be willing to take the same approach. It will hurt not making UCL next year but the focus in the offseason has to be establishing a better foundation and a better culture. And culture, I don't mean the BS of United way. We need a dressing room of players who can hold each other accountable. Because from what we are seeing is a dressing room of players who are happy to be overpaid but don't want to put in the extra effort to make this right. As soon as we heard the leaks about the unsatisfaction of the late sessions I knew they would look to throw the manager under the bus.
And absolutely in no terms should Poch be the next manager especially with the same squad. He doesn't have the toughness to call these players on their BS.
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