This too. I dare anyone watch the '99 and 2007-2009 teams and tell me we didn't play absolutely magnificient football up par with any top team in recent history. Would have won a lot in Europe if possibly the best team in the history of football didn't cockblock us and the Glazers didn't decide to penny pinch at that point in order to reduce the debt. I really do think that on another day we could have won that 2009 Final easily. We totally dominated Barca for the first 30 min and collapsed only after that fluke of a goal from Eto'o*.
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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I always was under the impression that that 442 was a pretty standard system in England? Not sure if SAF was the first to use it or something like that? Might be mistaken here of course.
Generally I agree with your post and be happy to keep this as such, don't want to stray too far off topic here.
Eto’o scored in the 10th minute. We started brightly but there was a vast difference in the two teams. Much like when we played against City and Liverpool this season, we weren’t prepared for such organisation and pressing.
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That's because we didn't capitalize on our chances. We had like 2-3 clear cut chances prior to Eto'o's goal that we could have easily scored and turned the game into an entirely different contest. Furthermore, we were the better team in the first half and slightly the worse team in the second. I'd argue we were the only team during that time period that actually went toe to toe with Barca and could have won on another day. I'm not talking about how Inter did it by scoring 2-3 fluke goals and then defending for 80 min, i'm talking about actually giving Barca a go (which Pep himself even admits). In the Final of 2011 they absolutely dominated and spanked us, but in 2009 there wasn't much gulf of quality, it was simply one of those days for us.
Sick of reading this crap it's daft
He absolutely failed this season, but if he was a championship manager we would have been mid table most of the time he managed us. Let it go he's gone.
We have a new manager in and everyone happy with him. Hard to not to like the cut of Ralf Jib. I'm expecting us to he a threat this season in cups.
I’ve watched that final several times since it happened and my takeaway every time is that we were beaten by the better team. Hypotheticals about chances going in etc mean nothing.
2011 side was humiliated by Pep. The 2009 match was fairly contested but United could not finish any chance they got. Like two/three great chances in the opening ten minutes - Pique getting a foot to Park's goal-bound shot and Rooney blasting wide; a fecked up counter right before Messi would score (after a weak clearance by VDS); and Berbatov somehow putting his header wide when a goal was begging. Another day and that's probably a 2-2 match heading to extra time.
Possession was 51-49 in Barca's favor whereas they were normally in the 60s-30s against opposition, and shots in United's favor 12-11 with Barca on target 8-2. Compare that to 2011 when it was 63-37 and shots 19-4/12-1 on target all in Barca's favor. Barca's midfield controlled much of the 2009 affair but they dominated in 2011.
United did quite well in possession against Pep in 2009, winning possession 52-48 in second half. United's shooting let them down far more than Pep's possession tactic.
Well, my take is different than yours as I absolutely do not think Barca were better than us, just that they capitalized on their chances better. I'm also not arguing on who won the final and who didn't, all I'm saying is that Barca absolutely did not destroy us in that 2009 and the match was quite the contest. Possibly the only contest that 2008-2012 Barca side had.
Take a bow.
That's just unbelievable. Cant believe we stuck with ole for so long
So he was unfit for the role. He never pretended to he some sort of tactical genius though.
This is key.
It annoyed the shit out of me seeing McKenna speak words to Rangnick. The handover period must be swift and he needs to walk like Carrick did.
Suprise the Caf’s stinking after 72 hours with a new manager. Please, he’s had one 45 min training session with the team and far as I know he still don’t have his own staff and specialists here yet.
I respected Ole all the way until the end and hoped we would turn it around with him. Now its a new manager and Im really looking forward to this.
Ralf is respected by every top coach in the world and it will show. The upcoming schedule will not give him the time on the training ground that he would like. But give him some time before judging will you?
I respected Ole all the way until the end and hoped we would turn it around with him. Now its a new manager and Im really looking forward to this.
Ralf is respected by every top coach in the world and it will show. The upcoming schedule will not give him the time on the training ground that he would like. But give him some time before judging will you?
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Did you even read the room before making this post or did you already have it drafted? It's overwhelmingly positive for the most part on here.
Smashed it.
It's unreal how bad our shape and game plan was under Ole, I can't believe he got away with it for so long. However, the Tweet that guy wrote has to be the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read. There is no hardcore Ole cult members, literally everyone has been salivating at the prospect of an attacking, pressing United, and absolutely no one is trying to credit Ole for anything to do with McFred. How unhinged have you got to be to Tweet that after a good performance and win?
Could be any of the hammerings we've had in the last couple of months. Probably Pool
This is what I have been saying for years. You don't need ages for the team to have a identity. It might not be perfect at first but you at least have an idea what the coach is trying to do. With Ole I never did. Even before a ball was kicked, we had an idea of how Ralf would try to play and we saw it. That's the vision I have been calling for. The hope now is that the team will get better and better at it as the weeks and months pass.
I read a few pages back during the game. Haven’t read post match comments on here yet. Caf’s always positive after a win so it’s not suprising if the tone shifted after the win
Exactly.
No one can determine if RR will win major honours but we can guarantee he’ll implement a defined tactical style.Ole was the king of buzzwords, what he said was basically we’d play like Liverpool but he had no idea how to actually coach it and just let Carrick/McKenna figure it out as they went.
Think we are going to see a lot of injuries with his style for the first few weeks whilst the lads adjust.
some of them looked knackerd by half time.
some of them looked knackerd by half time.
Any names yet for the assistant role?, I heard Kornetka mentioned but that has gone quiet. Jesse Marsch is now out of a job and as a protege of Ralf could be a good option as a number 2.
This is the first time post fergie where we have an actual progressive attack minded above average manager in charge of the club
Fully agree my only worry is injuries Varane Baily and Cavani are already injury prone but Ralf shouls be smart enough to manage it
who also has a very defined understanding tactically of what he expects both on and off the ball
The right pic would be an almost perfect 4-2-2-2 if our two 10s weren't on top of each other. It didn't seem like Sancho and Bruno were getting in each other's way, at least.
Anyone would be better than the current lot.
My favourite was the notion that identity and patterns of play didn't exist and were just a stick being used by tryhard haters to sound tactically astute. Apparently the distinctly organised way Pep, Klopp and all the other big teams played was just a function of splurging on good players and letting them to do their magic.
Love the way we played in the first half. Proper team, in control, attacking with a plan. Just after two days of coaching, whereas someone else couldn't do that after 2 years of coaching.
Im excited, hugely excited. I can see a plan where all of our players are a fit. We have a team for his 4222 formation. All we need a combative midfielder who can play with Fred and an upgrade to McT (Haidara alike ) in Jan and Dare I say, we could even progress in CL.
Except for Bayern, I am pretty confident against any other team in CL.
Except for Bayern, I am pretty confident against any other team in CL.
Why is the fixture from Ole's pic conveniently cut off? Again another of stupid agenda posting (the twitter post/or this post if the poster gives actual credence to the twitter post) that is unnecessary and only made to entice reaction. In time, someone else could easily use one of the easy games from Ole's tenure and then compare it with Ralf's tenure when United might come under cosh against teams like City or Liverpool.
City I think, so yeah weird comparison.
I don’t want him to go! But he seems to think he can implement what he needs and then leave and everything will be fine. I’d rather keep him around, in as high a position of authority as possible. He’s more experienced than Murtough and Fletcher, gotta be strange working “under” either.
Ralf makes Ole look utterly amateur.
Ole left us sitting 8th in the league. Don’t need to cut anything off any picture to see that.
Sir Alf Ramsey was the first to use a 4-4-2 formation, for the England national team in the early 1970's. Before that, 4-3-3 was the preferred formation, which he introduced at the 1966 World Cup. Prior to that, 4-2-4 was the default formation for many teams.
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