I thought he was partially at fault for the Mata goal by tucking in too far, although the bulk of the blame lies with Evra.
Rafael da Silva | 2010-14 Performances
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The other way around for me.
But that's a communication issue, Evans and Ferdinand should've claimed their man and let Rafael out to mark Mata.
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what? Evans has a man too!
Watch the bloody goal again before aiming more blame.
Rafael does absolutely nothing wrong, he has a man, Evans also has a man!
This is how it looked as Torres is about to receive the ball...
The is how it looked as the ball was coming in...
Now what on Earth do you expect Rafael to do there hey?
Please reply too, the last person I posted this to went all quiet afterwards.
I didn't see this Guybrush.
A couple of things:
Evra's completely out of position, as I said at the time. Therefore, Ferdinand is forced out wide, which in turn forces Evans and Rafael inside. We're just disorganized there as a whole, and in reality we should've pushed Rafael to mark Mata, Evans the next man, and let the midfielder who runs into his box cover for Ferdinand who's forced wide.
A defensive shambles that goal, incredibly soft to give away. But the blame lies with several players.
Fair enough, I stand corrected. Someone from midfield should have dropped back so Rafael could stay out wide, but yes, it is hard to place much blame on Rafael there.
It lies with several, but not at all with Rafael.
I understand why some thought Rafael might have been at fault, it's an automatic thing to blame the full-back when the goal has come from over his shoulder, but as you can see on the pic, Rafael is left with 2 men and he rightfully marks the most central "dangerous" man.
You could make a case that Rafael should've shouted his men over, and moved wide to mark out Mata.
It's about communication, that goal. But it all starts with Evra, who's, not for the first time, needlessly sucked infield.
You really can't make a case for that, it went far too quickly, and for all you know, Rafael WAS shouting his central defenders back in.
It's still a collective marking mistake, in a back-four Rafael was part of. And as a full-back, his job is to watch the far post-area, and mark out his winger.
If the ball had been landed on a strikers head, fair enough, that's the CB's job to mop out. Their mistake. Rafael isn't supposed to be marking attackers inside his six-yard box from crosses from the other side of the field.
I think Rio misjudges the situation as well to be fair, should've stayed in the box and defended, and let Evra get back to recover. The initial mistake lies with Evra, but afterwards several players are at fault, including Rafael for getting sucked inside.
Rafael was covering the right guy, both our central midfielders failed to track Mata. Still not as bad as the 3rd goal.
You'd claim that our central midfielders should mark their left winger, while our RB rushes inside the six yard box to mark a striker?
Thank feck you're not one of our coaches.
If anything, a central midfielder should get inside the six yard box and help out in clearing the ball(which to be fair, actually happened).
Wow!
That shows a total lack of understanding.
You don't leave a fecking striker free in the centre just so you can say "not my man, not my fault". What on earth are you smoking?
That's one of the craziest, clueless things I've ever read on here, hands down!
Instead you leave a world class player free at the back post, 9 yards from goal entirely uninterupted? I'd bank on Mata to score from there 8 times out of 10.
In the centre, at least there were two players nearby who could have disrupted any cross, and at any rate, it's much more difficult to pick out a man inside the six yard box than hang it at the back post to an unmarked man.
The central midfielder gets back(can't see who it is from those pictures) and Evans is defending the six yard box. How can you not see that Rafael should be marking Mata at the far post? It's basic defending. Whether he's not marking Mata because he's forced to cover for the defense trying to help out Evra, or because he's judging the situation wrongly, he still should've marked Mata. Evans had a fair chance at getting to any ball inside the six-yard box, and we had a midfielder tracking back there as well.
Anyway, stay in position there Patrice, and none of this happens.
Im sorry but you cant blame Rafael for the Mata goal.
He had a good game, I always think we look more energetic when he plays. Shame they cant stay fit
He had a good game, I always think we look more energetic when he plays. Shame they cant stay fit
The only wingers you can perhaps say he's struggled against are the two he mentioned in his interview a few pages ago - Bellamy and Bale.
Bale? He owned him.
Yeah, Rafael completely took Bale out of the game at OT last season, for instance.
Well argued, there.
Stop being so precious, and go out and play the game. It's not like the goal was all Rafael's, in fact, looking at it again I'd blame Evra for getting sucked infield and leaving Torres out wide when we had a midfielder already tracking Sturridge.
But to say Rafael is entirely blameless is just not right.
That cross is excactly the kind of cross Gary Neville would nod behind for a corner, due to being correctly positioned in the box.
Gary even said last night that Rafael had done the right thing by going inside to the danger.
I do mate.
But judging by your comments, you've never played.
There is no mystery midfielder you speak of. Rafael is defending the most dangerous area, the circle I have made, and that's his job.
Any fullback there does the same, including Gary Neville. The least dangerous is Mata, and it was some fecking strike.
Edit: One further thing, as you can see, Evans still even at this point isn't in a great position, both of those Chelsea forwards are "free" from him, had Rafael marked Mata, you'd have left 2 Chelsea forwards free.
Obviously, anyone with half an idea knows that.
Well, going inside to the danger meant leaving a man unmarked 8 or 9 yards from goal.
Torres takes a touch, sets himself, then swings it in. What Rafael should've done(IMO) is shout to Evans to take his man(which meant Evans would have to move, what, a yard?) and start moving out towards Mata. He then could easily have disturbed Mata from shooting at the very least, or even cut out the cross before it reached him.
This would have meant leaving a man at the first post, but Rio was decently positioned to block a cross at the first post, and we had a midfielder scrambling home that could have cut out the danger, if Torres had crossed it for the first post. Also, Evans was well within reach to intervene if the ball had been crossed to the first post.
We had three defenders in and around the six yard box, marking two men, and Rafael as the full back had the responsibility of marking Mata as the left winger. Why this didn't happen obviously can be discussed, but that's the plan and simple facts.
Evra takes the majority of the blame for me, followed by Rafael and Rio, but Evans should perhaps have done better with marshalling Rafael out towards Mata as well.
I might also add that it is a very, very good cross by Torres and a fantastic finish by Mata, so it's not easily defendable, but it doesn't mean we did everything right there.
I agree with guywood and Gary Neville.
Sometimes you just have to leave it at that instead of pointing the blame. It was a terrific ball in.
You can attach some blame to Rafa if you want, 99.9% of everyone else would not.
Go inside to the danger is always what you would be taught as a full back.
marjen would argue with a brick wall on this one wouldn't he.
Bizarre.
Imagine SAF's reaction if Rafael just left his man in the middle and ran over to Mata and Torres landed the ball in the small circle on the pic, oh he'd be happy
Bizarre.
Imagine SAF's reaction if Rafael just left his man in the middle and ran over to Mata and Torres landed the ball in the small circle on the pic, oh he'd be happy
No need to be rude.
I'm watching it again right now, I can provide screen shots if you don't believe my account. It starts with Rafael covering Malouda [I believe] during the entire play. Malouda is right in the middle, and the nearest defender is Evans who isn't watching him at all. I can't see how he's supposed to leave Malouda there.
Giggs and Carrick were both caught by a pass back to Essien, so they're upfield and the ball is played through Ivanovic. Sturridge run into the center with Evans running out of the box to make a tackle on him, leaving Rafael as the only defender in the box. Rio is standing in the extreme corner of the box watching at this point, in the box technically but out of the play.
Ivanovic gets the lose ball and gives it to Torres, Evans follows Sturridge, and loses him, Rio is backtracking but covering no one, Evra moves to the ball. Maybe once the ball was in the air Rafael could have read the flight sooner and gone to defend Mata, but that's asking a lot. Is that where the blame lies for you? Kind of sounds most like Rio's fault for leaving Rafael and Evans to cover the whole box.
I blame De Gea, no but where's Evra in that move? He's almost useless defensively at the moment.
Guywood Threepbrush.
I do mate.
But judging by your comments, you've never played.
There is no mystery midfielder you speak of. Rafael is defending the most dangerous area, the circle I have made, and that's his job.
Any fullback there does the same, including Gary Neville. The least dangerous is Mata, and it was some fecking strike.
I just saw the pic you posted last time around, and assumed the central midfielder continued into the box. I'll hold my hand up on that one.
Anyway, from that picture, it still tells me that Rio is even better positioned than I thought to block a cross to the first post, and Evans can easily reach any ball crossed inside the box there, as the Chelsea players are basically stood next to eachother.
Rafael should've been more aware of the back post area, and as Torres set himself, should've tried to sniff out the danger of Mata. We're a man down inside the box due to Evra, which obviously is a problem. But nevertheless, it's about anticipating danger, and IMO the most dangerous man as the cross is about to go in, is Mata who's absolutely unmarked and can smack any cross to the back post in. If the cross goes inside the six-yard box, then Evans can prevent either player from having a clear chance at goal. If the ball goes to the back post, alas, as we saw, nothing could be done.
So it's about weighing up the danger there, as you say, and I don't think he got it spot on there(as should be evident by us shipping a goal to his left winger at the back post).
Laughable.
Evans cannot reach anything in that circle, how slow do you think a ball moves?
Evans cannot reach anything in that circle, how slow do you think a ball moves?
marjen would argue with a brick wall on this one wouldn't he.
Bizarre.
Imagine SAF's reaction if Rafael just left his man in the middle and ran over to Mata and Torres landed the ball in the small circle on the pic, oh he'd be happy
To land the ball in the area would take twice the cross, and even then Evans would have a fair shot at it.
As soon as the ball is aimed for Mata, and Rafael isn't anticipating it, there's nothing to be done as we saw.
It's not a black and white issue, it's just that when we have enough spare men to mark their players from a cross, and we don't, someone's made the wrong judgement. Rio, is he too far out? Possibly, but what is he supposed to do? That leaves a two on three in the box, and Evans is decently positioned to handle any threat in that area, which leaves Mata. Rafael should've decided that were the most obvious crossing alternative, as he was completely unmarked, and anticipated the cross.
Laughable.
Evans cannot reach anything in that circle, how slow do you think a ball moves?
If Evans can't reach it, no way can the Chelsea-player reach it.
Mata could, however, as we saw.
Majen you're fecking nuts mate. No-one else agrees with you, Gary Neville himself that you used as an example, disagrees.
Rafael does his job, the sooner you understand that, the sooner you knowledge of football will increase.
The Chelsea player is running forward and is a a yard and 1/2 behind Evans who is running sideways.
feck me (Shakes head)
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