Radja Nainggolan

we have herrera. doesnt make sense to sign a similar player. we need a playmaker like modric gundogan or verratti
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Isnt Veratti similar to Radja and Herrera.

Whats wrong with having a backup for Herrera too?
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Veratti is very different from both of them. He can dictate the pace of a game with his passing unlike radja or ander who don't have that natural ability. Playing next to motta has really helped him become more patient. He would be an ideal partner for carrick imo. It also depends on what the coach wants to do. I doubt van gaal would want similar players in his team and then have the problem of somehow trying to fit them all in ( a problem which he has already faced this season) I'm not saying Radja would be a bad signing. I'm saying we require a 'modric/gundogan/veratti' like signing more.
 
shivab said:
Veratti is very different from both of them. He can dictate the pace of a game with his passing unlike radja or ander who don't have that natural ability. Playing next to motta has really helped him become more patient. He would be an ideal partner for carrick imo. It also depends on what the coach wants to do. I doubt van gaal would want similar players in his team and then have the problem of somehow trying to fit them all in ( a problem which he has already faced this season) I'm not saying Radja would be a bad signing. I'm saying we require a 'modric/gundogan/veratti' like signing more.
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I think you have got it wrong. While Verratti can dictate the pace of the game, he still is very different to Modric and Gundogan. He is more of a deep lying midfielder ala Pirlo, and his defensive side is still not developed. And he is definitely not patient given the number of bookings and fouls he picks up every game. At max, he could be a replacement for Carrick. Also, Herrera is a natural passer of the ball. Nainggolan, I agree. He isn't much of a passer, but then his game is not about passing anyway.
 
If you saw veratti at pescara you wouldn't write that. Veratti was deployed in an advanced role at Pescara and now has slowly dropped back into a two or three man midfield. He still isn't a pirlo sort of player if anything he would end up like Xavi in a more advanced role popping up all over the pitch instead of sitting between the center backs. He still has the instinct of going forward (just like modric or gundogan or scholes) which he has to curb because of blanc's methods. By patient I mean on the ball not off it. No matter what a lot of people say around here but Veratti is very good defensively in terms of tackling. Discipline wise he requires a lot of improvement but he doesn't ignore his defensive duties.

Herrera is a natural passer but he likes to do this in the final third. Not in his own half. That's his game and that's what he enjoys most. He's been playing cam of even cf from his u21 days and I feel that's the position (or RAM) that he enjoys most..not the added responsibilities and discipline you require to be a cm. We don't need Veratti to replace anyone. In my opinion its best to have two players in the middle who can both pass the ball and carrick can't do it all alone esp in Europe.

coolredwine said:
I think you have got it wrong. While Verratti can dictate the pace of the game, he still is very different to Modric and Gundogan. He is more of a deep lying midfielder ala Pirlo, and his defensive side is still not developed. And he is definitely not patient given the number of bookings and fouls he picks up every game. At max, he could be a replacement for Carrick. Also, Herrera is a natural passer of the ball. Nainggolan, I agree. He isn't much of a passer, but then his game is not about passing anyway.
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shivab said:
He still has the instinct of going forward
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That's totally wrong, he said himself last season that it wasn't natural for him to play in the final third and that he needed to improve on that despite the fact that he was a deep lying playmaker.
 
JPRouve said:
That's totally wrong, he said himself last season that it wasn't natural for him to play in the final third and that he needed to improve on that despite the fact that he was a deep lying playmaker.
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I think people overuse the words deep lying playmaker. In that sense even veratti might be wrong (and you) if he used those words for himself. Pirlo and Xavi have both been described as deep lying playmakers but in fact both are very different in the way they play. if anything its alonso motta pirlo carrick and busquets who would be similar and could be called deep lying playmakers not players like Veratti and Xavi who pop up everywhere on the pitch including in the final third in large parts of the game no matter who the opposition is.

Veratti is just a playmaker. Here is an article where he talks about pushing forward more and seeing the goal more ... so no im not worng,
http://espn.go.com/blog/parissaint-...-in-the-middle-verratti-coming-of-age-for-psg


things change from season to season. players develop and change. Veratti will change and as he grows older might lose his ability to skip past players and then he might end up as a deep lying playmaker but you need more than just passing ability to play that role. Veratti has qualities of xavi and scholes..and this debate about what kind of a player he really is and is going to be in the future can go on, but the fact of the matter is that we should sign him.
 
Man Utd have been linked with a move for Belgian midfielder Radja Nainggolan who has admitted he doesn't know where his future lies.

Radja Nainggolan has admitted there is only a '50 per cent' chance he will stay at Roma next season.

The 26-year-old Belgian midfielder is co-owned by Roma and Cagliari, but reports in Italy have suggested neither can afford to keep him.

He's been linked with moves to Manchester United, who are also interested in Roma's Kevin Strootman, and Liverpool.

And Nainggolan, who was last week forced to deny reports he had travelled to Manchester to start negotiations, has revealed he in unsure about where he'll be playing next season.

He said: "Will I stay at Roma, at the moment there's a 50 per cent chance.

"However, I'm not worried as there's still time. Roma and Cagliari have to find an agreement.

"I'm 100 per cent focused on Roma, it's a great club, a great team and a beautiful city to live in."

Nainggolan has scored five goals in 44 appearances for club and country this season. Roma are currently third in Serie A, 15 points behind leaders Juventus.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ester-united-transfer-news-nainggolan-9137171
 
I'd take him. We need some good midfield depth and we could play him as the #8 and push Ander forward into Fellaini's role.
 
Its hard to make a case that he's a better buy than Schneiderlin for the same amount of cash.
 
Yeah, £29m is too much but that's what Cagliari are hoping for. I'm sure there is some room to haggle.

I agree with Schneiderlin but is there any substance to show us actually interested? I'm not sure about Koeman/LvG dealing either, unless the player pushes it through. Shaw was already all but done when he joined too.
 
Schneiderlin would be excellent for us but we could do much worse than nainggolan....he has been immense for Roma this year and fits the mould of the box to box CM who would bring balance to the side.
 
ravi2 said:
Schneiderlin would be excellent for us but we could do much worse than nainggolan....he has been immense for Roma this year and fits the mould of the box to box CM who would bring balance to the side.
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I'm not sure where a "box to box" midfielder fits in. Seems to me we are more likely to be looking at someone who can do what Carrick does, rather than a ball winner. Seems that Herrera and Carrick is the preferred partnership with Blind (if he isnt playing left back) in there when either isn't available.

I've watched him a couple of times and to be fair he looks alright, but I question the strength of the Italian league. He might be physically imposing over there but he wouldn't neccessarily be here. I'm not sure he's a player who really adds anything to what we've got - albeit based on a few games assesment.

If we were after a stopper infront of the back 4 surely Schneiderlin would be the obvious choice. Plenty of Premier League experience under his belt and probably available for less.
 
RedRover said:
I'm not sure where a "box to box" midfielder fits in. Seems to me we are more likely to be looking at someone who can do what Carrick does, rather than a ball winner. Seems that Herrera and Carrick is the preferred partnership with Blind (if he isnt playing left back) in there when either isn't available.

I've watched him a couple of times and to be fair he looks alright, but I question the strength of the Italian league. He might be physically imposing over there but he wouldn't neccessarily be here. I'm not sure he's a player who really adds anything to what we've got - albeit based on a few games assesment.

If we were after a stopper infront of the back 4 surely Schneiderlin would be the obvious choice. Plenty of Premier League experience under his belt and probably available for less.
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Agreed, Schneiderlin would be the obvious choice and would cost >€30M as well.

A midfield of Gundogan - Schneiderlin - Herrera has it all.
 
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RedRover said:
I've watched him a couple of times and to be fair he looks alright, but I question the strength of the Italian league. He might be physically imposing over there but he wouldn't neccessarily be here. I'm not sure he's a player who really adds anything to what we've got - albeit based on a few games assesment.
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He's aggresive, always looking to steal the ball AND can make a very good forward pass. He reminds me of Verrati in a way.
 
onemanarmy said:
He's aggresive, always looking to steal the ball AND can make a very good forward pass. He reminds me of Verrati in a way.
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Aggression is fine and to be honest I've thought we've lacked that in the past. That being said, Van Gaal seems to be able to get us playing good football without a player like that in midfield.

As above, I don't neccesarily see where we have space for a player like that in the current set up. I'm concerned by players who like to fly into tackles. The PL is quicker than Serie A and while you adjust you could be a walking yello card if you get there a fraction late. I think we need more culture and a player who can slot in for Carrick. That's why the Gundogan link makes more sense.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Yeah, £29m is too much but that's what Cagliari are hoping for. I'm sure there is some room to haggle.

I agree with Schneiderlin but is there any substance to show us actually interested? I'm not sure about Koeman/LvG dealing either, unless the player pushes it through. Shaw was already all but done when he joined too.
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The thing is LvG and Koeman would have no bearing on any deal we did with Southampton, both come from the school where they are coaches only, they don't get involved in deals like Fergie and Wenger, they leave that to the executive side of the club. The only thing Koeman will care about is being allowed to spend what they get. Having said that we have never been heavily linked to a move for Schneiderlin.
 
ravi2 said:
Agreed, Schneiderlin would be the obvious choice and would cost >€30M as well.

A midfield of Gundogan - Schneiderlin - Herrera has it all.
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I could live with that and just icing having Fellaini *and* Carrick ready when needed.
 
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