Don't think he will start.
But if he makes the bench I think he will come on after 55-60 or so.
But if he makes the bench I think he will come on after 55-60 or so.
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On his way back to training from watching Colombia in London.
It's a pic from the train journey back to Manchester but it looks like a catalog pic for an expensive watch.
It's a pic from the train journey back to Manchester but it looks like a catalog pic for an expensive watch.
Beautiful man 
Seems like the rumors may have been unfounded after all, regarding his injuries.
Seems like the rumors may have been unfounded after all, regarding his injuries.
If we can get this man firing we'll be unstoppable up front.
Errrm, you'd have to have players behind him who can create, sadly the only one in our squad who can create is Di Maria..
Herrera, Mata and Rooney.
Yep forgetting Rooney who is always near the top of the assist league every year.........
Wouldnt call Rooney and Mata creative, they've really shown that for a long period, good goalscorers and smart player, but cant even remember the last time they put someone 1 vs 1 by a simple through ball. They are very productive no 10's but not not half as creative as lets say Hazard, Ozil, Silva.
How many of them come from corners and free kicks? I watched Rooney's assists last year, and the majority arent really the no #10 kind of assists, those through balls or smart passes.
I absolutely agree about that (apart from the Arsenal version of Özil but that's another matter) but they are definitely capable of creating.
Ozil has been poor, but yet he is creating more chances than Rooney and Mata, stats prove that.
Fair enough.
Why does the type of assist matter once your striker is getting on the end of them and scoring? Goals are goals and Mata, Rooney, Herrera & Di Maria are all able to create.
He seems like the sort of player who needs to be 100% fit before he's happy to play. As opposed to a player like Richard Dunne who'll play if he can hobble over the white line.
Because a good corner doesnt make you a creative player? I'm talking about creative players in terms of general play, that's not quite what Rooney offers. You just remember the last time Rooney has created a decent chance for the striker to score, I think the last time was vs Roma. Di Maria is very able, Herrera mwaah, he isnt the assist king or key passes king or something in that region. He also played behind the striker at Bilbao, now being played deeper will obviously not really help his creativity.
Still excited about Falcao. I think he will be excellent for us up top on his own (if he ever gets the chance).
Still doesn't make a difference, this debate started with you arguing my point of being unstoppable up top when Falcao gets firing, like 2013 we didn't have any of these ''key pass king'' you're talking about yet RVP scored 26 goals.
One name, Carrick. And I wouldnt compare the former RVP with Falcao, RVP was a striker who didnt depend on his teammates at all, he can create his own chances and could score out of nothing, Falcao is more the striker who anticipates from through balls and smashes in every header.
The last time Rooney created a good chance for a striker was vs Roma in 2007?!
And the whole "assist king/key pass king" is silly. Herrera played the most through balls in La Liga last season after Fabregas (if I'm not mistaken). He's clearly creative and has shown it for us too. We have plenty of players who can create, Rooney and Mata as well even though you seem to want to dismiss them. Both of them always get a lot of assists and whether it's from set-pieces sometimes or not it's still creating a chance for a team mate. LvG is trying to search for a balance and in doing so he has reduced our creativity somewhat but we were creating plenty before we switched formation.
If he's every fully fit is my main worry man..
Last chance Rooney created was in 07? Without even thinking I can remember his through ball to Welbeck at Villa Park last year and his pass to ADM at Leciester this season. Even ADM creates a lot of chances but then they fall to RvP who misses them with supreme consistency.
Perfect balance for me in CM, is to get 2 tough box to box CM's in, that can get stuck in & create/pass also. Herrera & Blind are not the answer to our problems in CM. They're massive upgrades on Cleverly though..
No I'm talking about this summers Roma game, he gave some brilliant passes. About Herrera, his assists rate was 0,18, and he created under 2 chances per match, that isnt too creative. Those numbers come from last season, when he played behind the striker, being played deeper wont benefit his creativity will it? Rooney and Mata, they can create, but they arent the creative type of attacking, they are very different from the likes of Silva, Ozil, Reus, Kroos, Hazard, Ribery, those players named above, they create more chances, have more key passes while Rooney and Mata score more than them. I'm talking about creativity in terms of open play, so I leave the corner/free kick assists out of this, as a defender could also give those, that's more about you kick/curve than creativity.
You do know we played Roma this summer.
Suggesting that the likes of Rooney, Mata and Herrera aren't creative players is just daft. They're not David Silva, and can't dictate a game as such, but they're very creative players nonetheless.
Them 3 have created 23 chances this season, and 22 key passes. Reus alone has 16 key passes and has created 18 this season..Silva has created 20 chances and 22 key passes, Gotze 18 chances and 17 key passes, Hazard 20 chances and 21 key passes, Fabregas has created 32 chances and 23 key passes, they arent non creative players, but if I compare them to really creative players, they just lack something very much.
"This season" being the operative phrase. Herrera has played deeper than all of them aside from Fabregas, the latter, incidentally, probably delivers the best through ball the Premier League has ever seen, so I'll let Ander off just a tad. Mata and Rooney have proven their creative worth time and time again for years now. The better we play the more these guys will create.
Have they played the same amount of games ?
No, but them three have played far more games than all the other ones named in their own.
Just what I said, him playing deeper will not benefit him in terms of his creativity. Rooney statistically, hasnt been one of the most creative players, Mata was back in 2012/2013, but since then, he hasnt been creating an awful lot, as I have stated earlier. I just cant remember and dont see Mata/Roo creating a lot of chances for a while now, also not a lot of clear cut chances. So them sending a striker 1 vs 1 or something like that, or just a simple through ball, even Januzaj has done that more than them recently. I may look like a stat whore, but last season Rooney was as creative as fecking Stevie Me. He is a whole different kind of number 10, he has one of the best work rates in world football, he has dynamism, is very complete, has speed, is strong has a brilliant right foot and can score, but he isnt the one creating that chance or making that smart move in which he creates space for his team mate.
But if they had the opportunity to all play regularly, they numbers would have inflated, the length of your string of games and the quality of your teammates change a lot of things for creative players.
Wayne has for example, but also before his red card, he wasnt creating much, playing alongside Falcao, Herrera, RVP, di Maria, not the least of players. Reus for example, he has done all this just coming back from injury in I side who werent performing and I doubt that the current Dortmund team has better players than United, so I dont think its an excuse. If I compare Rooney to other players who are playing in current poor sides like Firmino, Cazorla, they still create more. Mata has played like every match last season since his arrival, although he was in a not performing side, he still wasnt creating. But when Mata played in Chelsea 2012/2013 where the only other top class player was Hazard, he was near Silva, I dont think that's the crucial factor. TBF, its also not all their fault, under LVG and Moyes I think we play one of the slowest kind of football nowadays, teams just sit back and we cant cause any harm. But even when we were playing faster football, vs QPR, we had just 2 shots inside the box and we had 9 shots on target, we havent been creating much here at United.
Is this the falcao thread or "key passes and assist thread "
I come into this thread full of hope, now I feel confused.
Sammyjunn broke it by going full retard. What is it they say about going full retard?
Full retard you say, backed my argument up with facts and stats, Rooney/Mata arent the most creative players around, dont understand how you can argue that if you watch every United match.
They say "never go full retard". Quit while you're ahead Sunny Jim, this is the Falcao thread.
Regardless, we still have creative players in Rooney, Di Maria, Mata and Herrera. Sammyjunn was trying to claim they're not creative apart from Di Maria.
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