Only because we haven't yet told Monaco we don't want him. But that conversation will definitely happen.
And if they don't drop their transfer free demand, he'll be back in Monaco. No one is paying £43m for him after this season.
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Only because we haven't yet told Monaco we don't want him. But that conversation will definitely happen.
And if they don't drop their transfer free demand, he'll be back in Monaco. No one is paying £43m for him after this season.
Amen brother
I wouldn't blame the Premiership. I think he's struggled with LvG's rhythm. He's not cut out for this team and the manager has to take the blame for that. RvP might also be past it, but at least he has the skill set to contribute. Falcao offers nothing to the system.
End of the day I believe there is insufficient data on him to make a judgement of the trajectory of his improvement or decline if he were to be permanently signed, with him making mostly 10 minute cameos and sparse starts, all within the context of injury recovery. The issue becomes one of whether the club is willing to pay whatever is demanded at the point of decision in order to obtain such information, and the opportunity cost of such a decision. In terms of a supporter's POV, from my limited knowledge of the club finances and project making decisions, all I can say is that I honestly would not be surprised if the deal goes either way.
25million? seriously? from what we've seen, (no strength, no movement, lack of sharpness, lack of balance etc) we shouldnt pay 2.5mill.
let alone the wages he'd demand.
Even if he is going to improve next season it would still be a stupid signing, Rooney is approaching 30, RVP is nearly 32 so adding another player who will be 30 in less than a year makes no sense. If he was guaranteed to be world class and score 25 goals it might be worth the risk but that would require a remarkable turnaround.
You never know, this season may just be about getting him match ready. Sure it's been frustrating for everyone but the guy ain't finished just yet, I don't think so anyway.
He's worth a punt I feel. His wages would need to be severely reduced granted
25million is a punt??
I love your optimism bud, but the Falcao we all saw demolish Chelsea a couple years back is gone and not coming back.
Next season he'll be fast heading towards 30, as @Roboc7 made a good point, our other strikers Rooney 30, RvP 33, wouldnt be a smart bit of business for so many reasons...
Agree that player is definitely gone, he might well have more to offer than this season but even so after three serious knee injuries and close to turning 30 I doubt he has many good seasons left no matter what.
Everyone's been so quick to write him off but I wouldn't put it past LVG to show a little faith if Ed can greatly reduce the price. If he wants to stay and fight good luck to him. Those words from Monaco show how ultimately the press know nothing, they were saying we'd already decided we weren't going to sign him in Jan/Feb time.
I think most people in this thread expect him to have a good season next year. Unless we sign him.
Don't be silly, which dog would people have to kick? They at least thought they'd have Felliani and Young for this season?
You get the feeling it could come back and bite us by not signing him
But who in their right mind would buy a player based on his performances this season. His wages are crazy high and the fee itself even if they managed to get it down....just no boardroom would possibly green light a deal. Even a fee of 10 mill would seem too high
But who in their right mind would buy a player based on his performances this season. His wages are crazy high and the fee itself even if they managed to get it down....just no boardroom would possibly green light a deal. Even a fee of 10 mill would seem too high
Well, its either RVP or Falcao. One will go and one will stay. Though either one of them has to realise their not our number one striker.
I don't. And he won't. Not anywhere competitive, that is.
It's a pretty easy choice considering it would cost a lot more to get Falcao than we would get for selling Van Persie. Add to that the fact Van Persie can cope with the EPL to some extent while Falcao can't.
I think it's a certainty that we will buy a striker and a good one at that. Strikers win league titles.
No brainer really, though if say RVP wants out then I can see the club buying Falcao at cut price/wages.
One of them has, at the very least, won us a game pretty much by himself this season... the other has not come anywhere close to such a feat.
I'm astonished at the slack that gets cut for Falcao here. No way should we be signing him, even if the fee is reduced or anything. He can't even keep his balance this season!
No thank you.
No thank you.
They have both won us at least 1 game each this season though.
No kidding, its bonkers. He's the new Kagawa on here.
To have him on a free with half the wages... Maybe Id consider it. Probably not. He's not at all what we need and offers nothing different to RVP who himself is going to find being marginalised.
Tell me exactly why we'd keep Falcao and let Little Pea go? particuarly when Chich is younger, offers better movement, faster, stronger, sharper infront of goal.. PL tried and tested and he'd cost us nothing to retain his services, and 1/3rd the amount of weekly wages of Falcao?
I dont know what this bizarre love affair is with some United fans and Falcao, but it needs to stop, sharpish, we cant afford to waste the kind of money if would cost us in terms of transfer fee/wages/agent fees.
I dont know what this bizarre love affair is with some United fans and Falcao, but it needs to stop, sharpish, we cant afford to waste the kind of money if would cost us in terms of transfer fee/wages/agent fees.
After watching the CL 1/4 finals this week I am even more convinced that the problem is not Falcao or RVP. To compete with the elite teams in Europe we need creative central midfielders who are good dribblers and have excellent ball control and short pass abilities. This would allow neat exchanges with top class strikers with similar abilities.
Our current midfielders do not take on opponents and settle far too readily for back and side pass along with wing balls. The only No9s that could flourish with this type of play are the old-fashioned tall English centre forwards. Artisans like Falcao and RVP are completely left out of the game in our present system of play.
I still feel that LVG is working towards getting Utd to play in a way similar to Europe's top teams. To do this our central attacking mid-field has to be replaced. The present midfielders will probably get us into the top 4 this season but for us to progress changes must be made.
Our current midfielders do not take on opponents and settle far too readily for back and side pass along with wing balls. The only No9s that could flourish with this type of play are the old-fashioned tall English centre forwards. Artisans like Falcao and RVP are completely left out of the game in our present system of play.
I still feel that LVG is working towards getting Utd to play in a way similar to Europe's top teams. To do this our central attacking mid-field has to be replaced. The present midfielders will probably get us into the top 4 this season but for us to progress changes must be made.
Your trying to rationalise these players no longer cutting it. Its nobodys fault, not even their own.
Reputation pure and simple, people expected big things, and when he hasn't reached those marks people can't believe why, so they still think it's achievable.
Unfortunately that Falcao I believe is never coming back. He has had way long enough to get "match fit" and start producing. The simple fact is he just isn't the player we need, and at the price requested is an insane option to choose.
Maybe they can no longer cut it, however, they have not being given the opportunity, with our style of play to determine whether that is true or not.
When I watch other top teams' central midfielders I am envious, they seem so skillful and creative compared to ours.
I dont subscribe to the midfielders fault for their poor showing, if you can recall RvP's performance level vs Southamption away this season, it gives you an indication of what a forward on top of his game can do, in terms of build up play he was 10/10 that night, shielding the ball, laying it off, creating space with movement... even without his two goals that night and surrounded by underperforming dross RvP's overal game was fantastic, sadly neither he nor Falcao have put in many of those type of displays this year.
Sir Alex last season, we had Carrick & Cleverley in midfield for the majority, and he (RvP) managed near 40 goals to boot, let alone his overal game outside of his goal scoring was on a different level back then,
Yes, I think you do have a point, we could improve our play through the middle, but a forward like Benteke, game to game, would currently offer more right now (leading the line in a 433) than either our superstar, higly paid paring of Falcao or RvP.
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Interesting you mention Benteke....I thought about him as a bench back up to Rooney earlier this week as he has similar attributes when it come to leading the line.
Ya, I think there's a fair few who're having similar thoughts, when you look lately at the qualities he offers leading the line... certainly in a 433 he could be very useful as a stand in for Rooney.
I think the love in novelty would quickly wear off if he does return next season and doesn't improve massively, it's only his reputation and fact he is on loan that saves him from being labelled as a huge and expensive flop because that's what he has been so far, it's cost millions since he even had a shot on target let alone scored.
Rather than RVP vs Falcao, it is this - Hernandez vs Falcao - which should be the real comparison.
I would be interested in seeing a poll for choosing between the two, personally would take Hernandez every day of the week.
Now yes, but I wouldn't have then
I'd far rather play Fellaini as a #9 than see Falcao start for us again.
This. Hernandez above Falcao on my team any day.
I don't want to hear from Falcao any longer. Just let him rot in the French League or in Italy if Monaco can sort their own shit themselves.
Well our central midfield is not going to change their way of playing with so few games left so we need to stick with what has been effective for us. That is Rooney up front with Falcao on the bench.
All things considered, it's been a strange season for Falcao. For the first month or so he played pretty well - he was linking up well and was finding space in and around the box - and it seemed that he was only a game or two away from finding his past world class form. Then he was out with injury for some time. He came back and looked lethargic and slow, which at first we all gave him the benefit of the doubt since he had just come back. Yet it became apparent that something was off when he was routinely getting outmuscled and overmatched against League 2 defenders when we played Cambridge in the FA Cup.
Since then, not much has changed. He's been in and out of the squad, and when he has been given the chance to prove himself, he's been largely invisible. I always give players the benefit of the doubt - particularly players that are new to the Prem (and coming off a major injury), but with Falcao that necessarily hasn't been the case. He obviously has talent, but it's clear that's he lost a step and doesn't look like the deadly poacher he has been in years past. I wonder if he's one of those players who needs a full year to adapt to a new league - especially a league like the Prem. Although, overpaying to buy him this summer just to see if this was true would potentially be a huge waste of resources.
But I can't help but feel that once he inevitably moves on after this season that he'll be back to his typical scoring ways. It's frustrating because most, if not all of us, thought we were getting a seasoned striker for a pretty good deal last summer. It clearly hasn't worked out, which is unfortunate because when you watch him he definitely gives a lot of effort and you can tell that he cares about the club and winning. On top of that, he has a great character and seems like a genuinely nice guy. It's a real shame things haven't worked out. Falcao is one of those players that every club would want, not just because of his goalscoring, but for his demeanor and character as well (i.e. Juan Mata).
Just my input on things. Thoughts?
Since then, not much has changed. He's been in and out of the squad, and when he has been given the chance to prove himself, he's been largely invisible. I always give players the benefit of the doubt - particularly players that are new to the Prem (and coming off a major injury), but with Falcao that necessarily hasn't been the case. He obviously has talent, but it's clear that's he lost a step and doesn't look like the deadly poacher he has been in years past. I wonder if he's one of those players who needs a full year to adapt to a new league - especially a league like the Prem. Although, overpaying to buy him this summer just to see if this was true would potentially be a huge waste of resources.
But I can't help but feel that once he inevitably moves on after this season that he'll be back to his typical scoring ways. It's frustrating because most, if not all of us, thought we were getting a seasoned striker for a pretty good deal last summer. It clearly hasn't worked out, which is unfortunate because when you watch him he definitely gives a lot of effort and you can tell that he cares about the club and winning. On top of that, he has a great character and seems like a genuinely nice guy. It's a real shame things haven't worked out. Falcao is one of those players that every club would want, not just because of his goalscoring, but for his demeanor and character as well (i.e. Juan Mata).
Just my input on things. Thoughts?
Many quality players struggle the first season. I still believe he could be great for us but if we have identified another striker that would do better I´m not gonna cry about it. He is quality, no doubt about it but seems to not fit into our system. I would keep him if it was up to me. 
Pretty much nail on head for me. If we can massively reduce the Transfer fee to around 15million or so i'd probably do the deal, But I wouldn't pay over £20million that's for sure as it is still a gamble even for next season and it will depend on how LVG is wanting to play formation wise to.
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