Only thing stopping Wilson from starting ahead of Falcao is Falcao's reputation
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it is disappointing...since I really like him as a person. Just wish it was working out. I mean, is all hope lost?
He's slow, has a bad first touch, can't hold it up and his movement in the box has been poor. If he could do any one of those things I'd understand LvG's insistence on playing him. At the moment he provides nothing.
He's our fifth best striker right now, imo (Rooney, RvP, Fellaini, Wilson being the other 4). The others could make some kind of tactical sense depending on circumstances. Falcao makes none.
He's our fifth best striker right now, imo (Rooney, RvP, Fellaini, Wilson being the other 4). The others could make some kind of tactical sense depending on circumstances. Falcao makes none.
We were smart when we did the loan deal. Now we should benefit from our foresight and not sign him.
I really like him. He seems to be a nice guy and he seems to try hard, nevertheless... the experiment failed. Honestly, there are not many reasons why we should sign him even for 30 mio. We could bring Chicarito back - a player who gave us better performances and costs us nothing.
Falcao got his chances. And he should still get a few chances, but personally I would prefer Van Persie and Wilson from now on in the starting eleven.
The whole thread should be renamed in "Falcao - sad but true".
I really like him. He seems to be a nice guy and he seems to try hard, nevertheless... the experiment failed. Honestly, there are not many reasons why we should sign him even for 30 mio. We could bring Chicarito back - a player who gave us better performances and costs us nothing.
Falcao got his chances. And he should still get a few chances, but personally I would prefer Van Persie and Wilson from now on in the starting eleven.
The whole thread should be renamed in "Falcao - sad but true".
Yeah, I'm disappointed but I really don't see many reasons to keep him here.
I like him as person, he works hard but well it's not enough.
Best of luck in his next club.
I like him as person, he works hard but well it's not enough.
Best of luck in his next club.
I think Van Gaal is playing him to make absolutely certain he's a busted flush before calling it quits. He'd look like a melon if he gave up on Falcao a bit hastily (post injury, in a new league) only for him to look immense at a different club next season. Hopefully the experiment is over now though. He's just not improving and he's had a fair few games to do so.
In my more paranoid moments I also wonder if he'a keeping Mendes sweet until De Gea's signed on the dotted line. Especially after his bleating when Falcao got dropped earlier on this season. He's Mendes' golden goose. Available for a massive signing on fee, with no transfer fee. Doesn't get better than that for an agent. Will lose Mendes a LOT of money if Falcao is seen as a flop.
As a big fan of Falcao, it hurts me to say this, but he's not good enough. We need to stop this shit before it's too late. Get him out, put Rooney back up behind RvP or Wilson. Rooney looks like a poor mans Henderson at the moment. If Falcao were 19, I'd say we had to give him more time, but he is suppose to be on top of his career, and we've given him 30 games by now. We cut loose Forlan, and he looked like 10 times the striker Falcao is showing. If I had a time machine, I'd go back keeping Welbeck, not signing Falcao on loan.
It is golden goose, right? Or am I thinking of a normal goose that lays gold eggs? One of the two anyway.
May well score goals at another club but who cares, past his absolute best and will only get worse. For the sort of money Mendes wants I would want an Aguero type striker.
We need a dynamic, fast striker who will stretch opposition defences and give more room to our creative players.
The player does not even need to be a "big name", Berahino/Welbeck
or someone for example, Saha was never a massive name but we looked so much better with that type of striker in the team.
We need a dynamic, fast striker who will stretch opposition defences and give more room to our creative players.
The player does not even need to be a "big name", Berahino/Welbeck
or someone for example, Saha was never a massive name but we looked so much better with that type of striker in the team.To play devil's advocate a little it isn't surprising if he or RVP (or Rooney) don't even get a shot on goal these days. It's taken till mid February for our top scorer to get to double figures and that was by a penalty. We're not playing to Falcao or RVP's strengths and the players behind them aren't in their best positions, although I would accept the front two's movement and partnership needs to improve. Van Gaal seems to appreciate what Falcao does though, I was surprised he started last night.
I think that we have got to the point now where the vast majority of United fans would not argue with the decision to bench Falcao and not sign him.
It is a shame because he is a very likable character. He used to absolutely explosive. It is sad to see him labouring like this. Send him to Juventus for his own sake!
100% finished. He just doesn't seem comfortable on the ball, he's lost confidence, he's afraid, no pace, that injury destroyed him.
Even before his injury, he wasn't that great at Monaco (unlike James for instance). His terrible injury may have just emphasized a decline he was to enter as a player.
fair enough, I seldom watch matches outside the PL, but I guess I was excited by his reputation and his goals against Chelsea in the European Super Cup
When we signed him, there was a number of reports surfacing that we had already agreed to sign him permanently at the end of the loan deal. I certainly hope they are bogus reports. Otherwise, what was the point in taking him on loan?
I think he would do better if he was played in a system up top on his own, surrounded with creative players. A 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1, but even then, I think Rooney and even Van Persie would do better there. Falcao's touch looks so heavy, and his movement looks so laboured and uncomfortable. I really want him to succeed here, and every game he plays I'm dying for him to score, but he shouldn't really be in the team now, let alone next season.
At the start of the season, I thought it would be a good return for him to get 15 goals, but he'll be lucky if he even gets 8 at this rate. He works hard and he's been a good presence defensively from set pieces, so it's hard to dislike him, but he needs to be dropped.
I think he would do better if he was played in a system up top on his own, surrounded with creative players. A 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1, but even then, I think Rooney and even Van Persie would do better there. Falcao's touch looks so heavy, and his movement looks so laboured and uncomfortable. I really want him to succeed here, and every game he plays I'm dying for him to score, but he shouldn't really be in the team now, let alone next season.
At the start of the season, I thought it would be a good return for him to get 15 goals, but he'll be lucky if he even gets 8 at this rate. He works hard and he's been a good presence defensively from set pieces, so it's hard to dislike him, but he needs to be dropped.
Got to agree it was sad to watch him last night. Unless we get a huge turnaround in form from him there can't be any future for him here. A shame as his work ethic is spot on and he seems a genuinely decent bloke.
If a player has an impact in the smaller leagues or with smaller clubs in the bigger leagues, than he gets bought by a world class club and then he can prove he's a world class player, by playing against the best with world class expectations. To me Falcao always had to make that final step to prove himself world class, het got that chance last summer, and hasn't taken it yet. He probably won't because his first touch isn't and has never been world class, and that might explain why in his late twenties had only Porto, Atletico and Monaco to show for. I understand that watching YouTube video's of his goals and the simplest of all statistics give the impression he was already world class, but that's like judging a book by it's cover. Therefore comparisons to Sevchenko are not right. Sevchenko had proven himself in the CL, not the EL, and with one of the best clubs in the world at that time. Sevchenko stopped beeing a world class player, Falcao didn't start beeing one.
Actually, most of the players of Manchester United right now are not world class. how many of them would make it in the team if they were at Bayern for example? But yes, if Falcao succeeded here he should be considered world class.
Wilson's not ready to start games. We shouldn't be playing 2 strikers.
Kinda gutted, because i really wanted him to succeed here, but he is nowhere good enough right now, and i doubt he will ever be again.
Maybe we could keep him if he was a bossman player or something, but he is lightyears away from being worth 30-40m
Maybe we could keep him if he was a bossman player or something, but he is lightyears away from being worth 30-40m
Another frustrating night, and blank, for Falcao
I honestly believe we have a world class striker on our hands here, and that the problems are further back. The defence is awful, which means the midfield is having to help more than they should and those two factors are making us negative. Its impossible to be all forward thinking with such a jittery defence. Falcao and RVP are basically feeding on scraps. If he was missing chance after chance then I'd be slating him too, but I see a striker desperate to succeed, who IS making a lot of good runs and just isnt being found. IF Falcao and RVP had more pace then that'd be great but it would encourage more long balls, and no one likes that either. So the only way we'll see the best of Falcao is to simply play better as a team. He'll get us goals, but only if we feed him
LVG has to see sense and revert to 442 with two wide men. everyone knows that system. It really is that simple
I honestly believe we have a world class striker on our hands here, and that the problems are further back. The defence is awful, which means the midfield is having to help more than they should and those two factors are making us negative. Its impossible to be all forward thinking with such a jittery defence. Falcao and RVP are basically feeding on scraps. If he was missing chance after chance then I'd be slating him too, but I see a striker desperate to succeed, who IS making a lot of good runs and just isnt being found. IF Falcao and RVP had more pace then that'd be great but it would encourage more long balls, and no one likes that either. So the only way we'll see the best of Falcao is to simply play better as a team. He'll get us goals, but only if we feed him
LVG has to see sense and revert to 442 with two wide men. everyone knows that system. It really is that simple
Open your eyes mate. Yes the team isn't performing but he will never regain what he once had. He just looks constantly gassed, he misses basically every chance he get's unless it's a tap in. There are much better strikers out there, we took a chance on his reputation and it's failed.
Its "failing" granted, its only failed once we give up on him. And I wont do that until he's gone (same applies for any United player). Just how I work
My bias comes from a) I've always been a striker myself (still trying at 48!) and b) I just dont like to see players fail
I'd desperately like to see how he does in a 442, if he cant score then, then I'll throw the towel in. Sadly LVG is too stubborn to revert, and its costing us. We're 3rd (somehow), and have a great chance to win the FA Cup, but it I just cant see it unless he wakes up and smells the coffee
I kind of see where you're coming from, but it also looks like Falcao's confidence is now shot. It just isn't happening for him. I remember his first few appearances, it seemed as though you could launch the ball at him from any angle/distance and he'd control it dead while holding off a horde of defenders. Looked so strong and composed. Now it's the complete opposite, the ball is bouncing off him and his strength appears to be vanishing.
I can see Falcao doing a Forlan or a Tevez, leaving United and scoring a hat full of goals for someone else. That being said, there is no justification for spending £40 odd million on Falcao after what we have seen this season.
Sometimes a club just doesn't suit a player. Look at Torres. He was awful at Chelsea, he's gone back to Atleti and he's whacking them in against Madrid and Barca. Maybe Man Utd and Falcao are just a bad fit? We could spend the money on Falcao and pray he justifies it, but what if he doesn't? What a massive waste that would be when we've got Rooney, who I am sure would be doing a better job up front than Falcao is right now?
I was desperate for Falcao to become a legend for us. It's not happened though and continuing to pick him is starting to be unfair on other players who have been better recently e.g. Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, and even Wilson. The side should be picked based on form not reputation. On form alone how can anyone say Falcao deserves to start or stay at Man Utd?
Sometimes a club just doesn't suit a player. Look at Torres. He was awful at Chelsea, he's gone back to Atleti and he's whacking them in against Madrid and Barca. Maybe Man Utd and Falcao are just a bad fit? We could spend the money on Falcao and pray he justifies it, but what if he doesn't? What a massive waste that would be when we've got Rooney, who I am sure would be doing a better job up front than Falcao is right now?
I was desperate for Falcao to become a legend for us. It's not happened though and continuing to pick him is starting to be unfair on other players who have been better recently e.g. Mata, Fellaini, Herrera, and even Wilson. The side should be picked based on form not reputation. On form alone how can anyone say Falcao deserves to start or stay at Man Utd?
The moment i saw him get bullied by the burnley defenders did it for me. Would not buy.
Oh don't worry, that will happen regardless!
I hope he wakes up and realises what a hindrance Mendes has been to him. He looks like a man who knows every passing week that he is being found out as past it. Yet his agent constantly opens his mouth, undermining the manager which itself will strain the relationship between the player and coach. More significantly that move to Monaco flushed his career. The project there is completely sunk after a year, no one can or will want to pay the wages and transfer fee and he has suffered greatly from a lack of competitiveness. The guy should be at the peak of his powers. He's called the fecking King of the Europa League. Last CL match in 2010. He comes across a nice guy but I can't feel sorry for him because he's made idiotic career decisions.
Last night was up there with one of the worst performances I've ever seen from a front man. His first touch is awful, laughably so on occasions. If we end up spending 40m+ on him there is something horribly wrong at this club. Fortunately, I don't think we will.
He could still prove useful as an impact sub, inject a bit of energy against tired defenders, score some scrappy goal.
People who had outrageous expectations of him have only themselves to blame for how devastated they feel that this 'isn't working out'. As with any loan at this level, he was always gonna be used sparingly, and eventually only bought if he was absolutely on fire. The odds never favored that outcome.
People who had outrageous expectations of him have only themselves to blame for how devastated they feel that this 'isn't working out'. As with any loan at this level, he was always gonna be used sparingly, and eventually only bought if he was absolutely on fire. The odds never favored that outcome.
Last night was truly abysmal. I struggle to think of a senior player we've had up front that's been as poor as that in recent times, or even much further back. Yeah the odd youngster or random we've picked up along the way perhaps, but not someone who by all rights should be easily aiming for 15 to 20 goals a season.
His stats are almost funny - 11 duals lost on the floor (3 won), 8 duals lost in the air (1 won), no shots on target, no shots off target, no blocked shots, no crosses, fewest passes of any player - yet 1 assist somehow.
His stats are almost funny - 11 duals lost on the floor (3 won), 8 duals lost in the air (1 won), no shots on target, no shots off target, no blocked shots, no crosses, fewest passes of any player - yet 1 assist somehow.
I did share your enthusiasm and hope that he just needed a few matches to get into the swing of things, but instead of getting better he's somehow getting worse. Yesterday he made MICHEAL KEANE look like Cannavaro and Nesta rolled into 1
I do think he will perhaps play better when we spread the pitch and give him more space, but why should we be hoping that he suddenly can score? we should have the best of the best available. People like Danny Ings or Sakho would do a much better job and wouldn't cost us 40m and 300k a week!. It's sad but true
Are we being totally fair to him?
Yes he has had some shockers in general play but there were several times when he was providing a great option if he got the through ball played to him or a cross was hit earlier but the service is not up to scratch either I am afraid.
The west ham miss where he took it on his right instead of the left and put it wide was the tipping point for me. QPR was a big miss also and yes replays showed the defender got a touch but he had other chances that match.
If we started to get regular decent service and he kept missing chance after chance id be 100% behind him going.
Yes he has had some shockers in general play but there were several times when he was providing a great option if he got the through ball played to him or a cross was hit earlier but the service is not up to scratch either I am afraid.
The west ham miss where he took it on his right instead of the left and put it wide was the tipping point for me. QPR was a big miss also and yes replays showed the defender got a touch but he had other chances that match.
If we started to get regular decent service and he kept missing chance after chance id be 100% behind him going.
May well score goals at another club but who cares, past his absolute best and will only get worse. For the sort of money Mendes wants I would want an Aguero type striker.
We need a dynamic, fast striker who will stretch opposition defences and give more room to our creative players.
The player does not even need to be a "big name", Berahino/Welbeck
Depay and maybay dyabala
We aren't totally fair to anyone so in that respect I'd say we are fair
No seriously I think he is a beter striker than many give him credit for, I personally like to see Falcao in the team a 100 times more than I like to see RVP in it, but obviously his performances are disappointing and at the moment considering his age, the injuries he has had, the money we would have to pay to get him on a permanent deal is too much. For that money we can buy a good striker that will be on his best for us for the next 5 years or something. Considering Dyabala and Lacazette will available in the summer, I'd rather we spend our money to get one of them. Also transfer price is not the only thing, wages is another one, a player that performs like that should not be one of the top earners, same can be said about RVP, which is why I will be desperately praying he'll leave us in the summer.
I have a feeling Brendan will take him off our hands and turn him into world class again next season.
A wild theory, but still the simple fact it is even hitting print speaks volumes of how obvious the problem is... .
http://www.blog.fantasy5live.com/20...cao-to-be-dropped-a-manchester-united-theory/?
.http://www.blog.fantasy5live.com/20...cao-to-be-dropped-a-manchester-united-theory/?
We aren't totally fair to anyone so in that respect I'd say we are fair
No seriously I think he is a beter striker than many give him credit for, I personally like to see Falcao in the team a 100 times more than I like to see RVP in it, but obviously his performances are disappointing and at the moment considering his age, the injuries he has had, the money we would have to pay to get him on a permanent deal is too much. For that money we can buy a good striker that will be on his best for us for the next 5 years or something. Considering Dyabala and Lacazette will available in the summer, I'd rather we spend our money to get one of them. Also transfer price is not the only thing, wages is another one, a player that performs like that should not be one of the top earners, same can be said about RVP, which is why I will be desperately praying he'll leave us in the summer.
This. We need to invest that money in a young player who can give us 7-8 of his best years. Personally I'd replace both with 2 new strikers of similar age and potential who will really push each other. Over 500k a week on our current 2 is just a waste!
They'll be thinking the same about Mario who has zero injuries and is alot younger.
A wild theory, but still the simple fact it is even hitting print speaks volumes of how obvious the problem is...
http://www.blog.fantasy5live.com/20...cao-to-be-dropped-a-manchester-united-theory/?
I can't see LVG doing such a thing tbh
Cant see LVG risking his job and reputation just to keep Mendes happy.A wild theory, but still the simple fact it is even hitting print speaks volumes of how obvious the problem is...
http://www.blog.fantasy5live.com/20...cao-to-be-dropped-a-manchester-united-theory/?
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