Haha yeh ok. This could get ugly with the endless video evidence of top class strikers missing far easier chances than those yesterday. It happens.
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Of course it does. Nobody takes every chance. For every video you post of somebody missing a chance I can post one of somebody scoring from a more difficult chance than those yesterday. So what? Do we pay £40m odd for a striker in the hope that one day he may start scoring goals?
Well of course, that's what they do – negativity. Even if it's inaccurate.
The two Wilson crosses weren't chances in my mind, Falcao is blameless for those.
He should have scored with one of the other two but his movement enabled him to get the chances and both were on target, so he's doing the right things.
He should have scored with one of the other two but his movement enabled him to get the chances and both were on target, so he's doing the right things.
Why is Soldado being brought up in a discussion about Falcao?
He's not scoring but his movement is superb. Very rarely gets caught offside.
When a striker is getting in the positions and testing the goalkeeper that is the sign that they will come good. Happens all the time – if they get enough games.
Exactly, so being hyper critical of a singular performance doesn't dictate whether a player is worth their fee. As countless people here have said, he's working hard, his movement has been superb and he's getting himself in goalscoring opportunities. He has proven he is an excellent finisher throughout his entire career, that will come with playing time and confidence, injury doesn't take away an eye for goal.
I'd rather have Falcao than RvP here next season. Unfortunately, I think it'll be LvG's love in for RvP that'll be the end of Falcao's stay here as we'll probably go for another striker with pace.
Well I'd also try to renegotiate the fee. If we could do another 6milliion loan deal? Would be perfect. Would allow us to bring in the quality we need to ensure we get him more in the box. With his form, obviously Madrid will probably have changed their minds so it might be worth it. Either renegotiate the fee or attempt to get him back on loan and if he lives up to his billing we can pay the rest the following summer which may tempt Monaco.
Do they give it one more season to get the full price or do they re-negotiate fee based on performance? Cause right now, his values shot.
Do they give it one more season to get the full price or do they re-negotiate fee based on performance? Cause right now, his values shot.
He' still in his honeymoon period, I reckon. Because if an established player was putting in the kind of performances Falcao has been to date, he'd be getting absolutely slaughtered.
I don't say this from a position of any kind of anti-Falcao agenda. I want him to come good, and think there's a good chance he will. But three goals in 700 minutes of league football isn't exactly spectacular. And he did miss two fairly easy chances yesterday.
But £40m? If he doesn't pick up substantially over the next few months, I doubt we'll pay that much for him - and nor will anyone else, because you can be sure they're watching.
I don't say this from a position of any kind of anti-Falcao agenda. I want him to come good, and think there's a good chance he will. But three goals in 700 minutes of league football isn't exactly spectacular. And he did miss two fairly easy chances yesterday.
But £40m? If he doesn't pick up substantially over the next few months, I doubt we'll pay that much for him - and nor will anyone else, because you can be sure they're watching.
I have this feeling neither will be here.
Maybe he wants to look shit so his market value will go down and clubs can afford to buy him?
You only have to have a little read through any of the Welbeck or Hernandez threads from the last couple of seasons to see that. Or indeed the RVP thread earlier in the season. When he was missing chances I don't remember all this, 'Oh what great movement' or 'He was just unlucky'. He was, as you say, getting slaughtered (not that he didn't deserve it) with comments mainly along the lines of 'He's past it', 'He's only in the team because he's LVG's mate' and, ironically, a lot of 'Why is he starting ahead of Falcao'
We'll put RvP on a one - year rolling contract imo.
The amount of sitters he has missed is incredible, he should easily be on about 8/9 goals by now if he put those chances away, it's like the ball just refuses to go into the net.
No club is going to be paying someone £265,000 a week for that surely, so maybe we can get a cut price deal on him. For about £25million it's a no brainier if we can move another striker on.
No club is going to be paying someone £265,000 a week for that surely, so maybe we can get a cut price deal on him. For about £25million it's a no brainier if we can move another striker on.
Agree with that. It's that movement that separates the good players than the great ones in Spain for example. I think he's perfect if we make CL, and I think this well be a massive factor to whether he stays or goes.
I won't judge him until he gets a run of games for us. Thought his movement and workrate were encouraging yesterday and his first touch has improved, was a bit unlucky with that header where Green pulled an immense save. Not saying we should sign him, but he should be given a chance to prove himself, that's the whole point of us loaning him before signing him permanently.
He's started 5 of the last 6 iirc. Surely that constitutes a run?
And was then left out of the squad against Southampton. I want him to play on regular basis in a formation that can create chances. He was excellent against Newcastle at home but he desperately needs a goal. My point is, if he starts on regular basis and doesn't perform then we'll get a better idea.
I know what you mean but It's interesting to what was the clubs view of loaning a player who's played very little football and recovering from a serious injury? Why would they pay 250k a week for a player that potentially they wouldn't see it's potential till the new year if you weren't gonna sign him. Despite all the gesturing, I really think this is already done deal.....
I have no idea mate, maybe it's to stay on Mendes' good side? As a favour for Di Maria? I honestly don't know.
Also known as Torres/Soldado syndrome.
Given what we have seen from him I wouldn't pay anything above twenty five mio for him even though there is a huge risk of him flying at his next club. I would rather we use that money to fund the acquisition of the players we need to move forward as a team. I'm talking about a prolific, skilful and speedy winger, a world class CB, a world class CM and a starting/back up rightback. We have Rooney to score the goals, if need be, and ahead of a balanced, world class midfield he has the ability to score enough and Robin is still there with Wilson growing.
Having three big strikers puts pressure on the manager to find ways to fit both in leading to this "Rooney in midfield" shite which will only hold us back. Imo a 4-3-3, or any of it's variants like a 4-2-3-1, is the most balanced formation a team can use and we need to restructure our team towards suitability for such tactics. We could have:
---Blind*--Schneiderlin---
----------Di Maria---------
De Pay---Rooney--Januzaj-
OR
-----Carrick--Strootman---
Di Maria--Rooney--De Pay*
---------Van Persie--------
*Blind could play the Carrick role because the latter is not growing any younger and Januzaj could play in place of De Pay should we fail to sign him or a player of his ilk.
- in an ideal world we coukd sign Reus, Schneiderlin/Strootman and someone like Koke.
Falcao is a great player but signing him permanently won't transform our side or hasten our transition. Imo we are about five players away from having a truly competitive side and four of those will cost us above thirty million each so I wouldn't be rushing to spend a large sum on Falcao.
Having three big strikers puts pressure on the manager to find ways to fit both in leading to this "Rooney in midfield" shite which will only hold us back. Imo a 4-3-3, or any of it's variants like a 4-2-3-1, is the most balanced formation a team can use and we need to restructure our team towards suitability for such tactics. We could have:
---Blind*--Schneiderlin---
----------Di Maria---------
De Pay---Rooney--Januzaj-
OR
-----Carrick--Strootman---
Di Maria--Rooney--De Pay*
---------Van Persie--------
*Blind could play the Carrick role because the latter is not growing any younger and Januzaj could play in place of De Pay should we fail to sign him or a player of his ilk.
- in an ideal world we coukd sign Reus, Schneiderlin/Strootman and someone like Koke.
Falcao is a great player but signing him permanently won't transform our side or hasten our transition. Imo we are about five players away from having a truly competitive side and four of those will cost us above thirty million each so I wouldn't be rushing to spend a large sum on Falcao.
You didn't answer my question. Do we pay £40m odd for a striker in the hope that he may sooner or later start scoring goals?
And by the way, my opinion isn't based on just one performance. Van Gaal clearly isn't impressed with him and yesterday won't have helped.
The main reason imo we shouldn't go for him is that we don't need a second, or third if you still count Rooney as one, top striker. I hope we will sooner or later revert to a one striker formation so having RvP and him in the same squad would mean that one is sitting on the bench the majority of time. Add on top of that the fact that he hasn't totally convinced and would be really expensive in terms of transfer and wages I don't think there is a place for him in the squad right now. I would rather see us invest the money in other areas of the pitch and it would also allow us to give Wilson more playing time, whenever RvP might need a rest or is injured.
I didnt feel the need to answer the question directly, I think its pretty obvious I believe its not a matter of if but when he will start scoring regularly, the 'when' coincides with regular football. So yes, I would do because he's a close to guaranteeing goals as you're going to get, what are the alternatives?
He's shown to be no worse than RVP so far this season so on that basis give him a clear run in the team in his best position and see how he does!
I blame those missed chances against QPR on shock. Falcao must still be in shock that the team actually created a few scoring chances for him. Put him in a team like Chelsea, City, Arsenal or even Liverpool and he will score bucket loads of goals.
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Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City have enquired about Falcao's availability as the striker struggles to settle in at Man Utd. (Source: Times)
Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City have enquired about Falcao's availability as the striker struggles to settle in at Man Utd. (Source: Times)
I highly doubt that City or Arsenal would have any interest in taking him on. The only club of those I could see going in for an expensive, out of form 29 year old striker is Liverpool, and I'd honestly be fine with him going there.
Falcao's best bet would be Italy, he'd be fine over there - slower, less physical, less frantic football. Defenders are way less rugged and hands on. He can't cope with the PL and I personally think he's arrived a few years too late to get to grips with it.
Funnily enough, I'm starting to think Van Gaal would also be better suited to Italian football...
Liverpool 
Welcome to him.
Can't see how he would fit into Liverpool's style of play, but then again that seems to be a prerequisite for Rodgers when signing forwards.
He will never go to Liverpool even if we reject him. He could still play at the hightest level in a top team.
I hope we aren't in for him still. From what I've seen this season all he would do is add more problems to our team. He'd be on stupid money and cost too much.
Strange, I'm sure his name was a big stick to beat us with not so long ago. Must revisit LFC thread.
And yet I think the opposite, and that it would have suited both you and him. Fits your style more than ours, he'd have mostly played up top alone (thanks to Sturridge injury) and wouldn't have been anywhere near as in/out of the team.
I appreciate he hasn't done great, and maybe he's another Torres and he's done now. I don't think so though. Not the best striker in the world, but good enough for Liverpool? Every day of the week.
I don't think he fits our style that well. I don't think he's another Torres, but I don't think we'll see him hit his Atletico form again. He's better than what we have at the moment (excluding Sturridge), certainly, but if we're going to spend a big transfer fee and huge wages for a striker it should be one who fits us down to the ground and is preferably a bit younger. If it was him or no one, obviously I would take him, but in an ideal world we go and sign someone else.
It's easy to say he'd be scoring for us with the amount of chances we have been creating lately, but Falcao has some misses that Borini and Balotelli would be proud of.
I think so far on his current form the 40m asking fee will be too much, but if they agree to sell him for less perhaps 20 then it's definitely worth a go. He isn't playing badly at all IMO, just needs that bit of luck.
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