[RedorDead21]

I really don't understand the situation with him. How he is not match fit after 3 weeks being injury free? I just don't understand it.

He is one of the best strikers in the world and if you have striker of his quality you have to play him week in week out when he is ready. Strikers of his ability usually play through the little injuries like Costa is doing this season, or Rooney against Bayern couple of years ago, even Cisse played for Newcastle 3-4 week ago and he was still clearly injuried.

How he will get match fit if he isn't playing? I just don't understand it. RVP is a good example how we played him this season even if it was obviously that he can't play 90 minutes so he could improve his match fitness. He did and i don't know why we are not doing the same with Falcao.

Its on a need to know basis.......If I was paying to go to games week in week out I'd be wanting a little more clarity on why falcao seems to be fit but not getting matches to gain match fitness. There is obviously more to this than meets the eye!

 

[Jerch]

He needs to play matches.

LvG said he would have played him in the u21s, but then Rooney got injured so he was needed.

Yes he needs matches but there are not a lot matches for the u21s at the moment. As someone said before there is a match on Sunday and i can't see him play for u21s when he will be needed on the bench the same day and after that there is a match in January....
Why not start him in a games and play him like we did with RVP. Then when he gets tired change him. He will be more and more match fit with every game like that. Playing just in last 20-15 minutes is not helpful especially if we are ahead by just one goal and we are constantly defending. He will never get into form like that.

Its on a need to know basis.......If I was paying to go to games week in week out I'd be wanting a little more clarity on why falcao seems to be fit but not getting matches to gain match fitness. There is obviously more to this than meets the eye!

Yes it looks like something is hapening behind the scenes and i just can't understand what could it be.

 

[MDFC Manager]

We can't play 3 strikers though. Unfortunately for him, RVP has struck form just when he was available for selection

 

[Massive Spanner]

We can't play 3 strikers though. Unfortunately for him, RVP has struck form just when he was available for selection

Erm, that's exactly what we've done every time they're all fit and available, which sadly hasn't been often.

 

[MDFC Manager]

Erm, that's exactly what we've done every time they're all fit and available, which sadly hasn't been often.

That experiment seems to have been ditched, regardless of the injuries to the strikers themselves.

 

[Flying_Heckfish]

Yes he needs matches but there are not a lot matches for the u21s at the moment. As someone said before there is a match on Sunday and i can't see him play for u21s when he will be needed on the bench the same day and after that there is a match in January....
.

If that's the case then he's missed his opportunity to gain match fitness. As you say, he will be needed on Sunday even if it's just for the bench,

We are playing so many games in December that he is going to be needed - from the start too on occasion. Hopefully, he won't be too rusty.

 

[Massive Spanner]

That experiment seems to have been ditched, regardless of the injuries to the strikers themselves.

No it hasn't, because they've not been fit and capable of starting games at the same time since we last did it. We've no idea if it's ditched or not, yet.

 

[Adebesi]

I had a vivid dream about him last night.

I was back at my old University and he had climbed on top of a building and was threatening to throw himself off. I climbed a tree to talk him out of it but he jumped before I could get near him. I was trying to call 999 but kept getting put on hold while he hobbled around the place, with one of his legs horribly broken and twisted, lashing out at anyone who tried to help him.

It was really intense. The fecker is obviously taking up more of my subconscious than I thought.

There should be a thread we could use as a repository for football / United-related dreams. Id have a couple of memorable ones to put in there. (That time you dreamt about me trying to call you but you wouldnt pick up the phone wouldnt count though.)

 

[MDFC Manager]

No it hasn't, because they've not been fit and capable of starting games at the same time since we last did it. We've no idea if it's ditched or not, yet.

I'd be amazed if we ever saw that again, when everyone's fit. Unless its a desperate situation like chasing a game or such.

 

[NoWinNoFee]

Hope 2nd half of the season he'll get game time and bang goals in.

If not, I'm not too concerned, we've only got him on loan, we'll probably go out and sign Cavani in the summer if things don't go to plan with Falcao.

It's unfair to judge Falcao though, he's not really had any chances to show what he can do.

 

[Cassidy]

Hope 2nd half of the season he'll get game time and bang goals in.

If not, I'm not too concerned, we've only got him on loan, we'll probably go out and sign Cavani in the summer if things don't go to plan with Falcao.

It's unfair to judge Falcao though, he's not really had any chances to show what he can do.

I fecking hope not!

 

[Jerch]

If that's the case then he's missed his opportunity to gain match fitness. As you say, he will be needed on Sunday even if it's just for the bench,

We are playing so many games in December that he is going to be needed - from the start too on occasion. Hopefully, he won't be too rusty.

But just how much real match fitness could he gained in the u21s matches. It is just a different game playing in u21s and in PL. I hope he will be playing from the start in coming matches.

 

[Dreaded]

But just how much real match fitness could he gained in the u21s matches. It is just a different game playing in u21s and in PL. I hope he will be playing from the start in coming matches.

And drop who?

 

[Member 39557]

He excites me, like an alluring glance from a mysterious woman. I want to see him play more as his movement and link-up has impressed me so far. I'd just like him to play further up the pitch from the start.

But just how much real match fitness could he gained in the u21s matches. It is just a different game playing in u21s and in PL. I hope he will be playing from the start in coming matches.

Well, just making runs and getting into positions for more than 20 minutes would clearly help. Also banging in a couple of goals might help confidence and sharpness.

 

[NoWinNoFee]

And drop who?

Mata and move Rooney further back.

Similar to how we was playing start of the season trying to accommodate both RVP/Falcao/Rooney, some of our attacking play back then was great, it was just defense that let us down.

 

[Jerch]

And drop who?

Mata sadly. Or reverting back to back four play with Rooney in midfield, RvP and Falcao uptop or changing number 9 and 10 position. A lot of posibilities but i thing this is a job for manager who decided to bring in a player which loan will cost us 16m pounds.

And i don't want to criticised LVG for bringing him in but i just want so see him play in United shirt sooner rather than later because i know he can be a magnificent player for us.

 

[Cassidy]

And drop who?

Mata

 

[LonelyFire]

I can easily see all 3 playing this weekend - with Rooney playing in Mata's position.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

I'd like all three to play, purely because it'd scare the living shit out of Liverpool's shit defence.

 

[LonelyFire]

I'd like all three to play, purely because it'd scare the living shit out of Liverpool's shit defence.

Will be interesting to see if he does go with all 3. He did at the beginning of the season when all 3 were fit. That said, bit harsh on Mata.

 

[Sied]

I can easily see all 3 playing this weekend - with Rooney playing in Mata's position.

Didn't LVG say something along the lines of Falcao won't start a game this side of Xmas?

 

[Adebesi]

I remember last season Moyes getting a lot of criticism for playing too many strikers, for bringing on extra strikers, for thinking more strikers meant more goals, for being indecisive and unable to decide which striker to play - and, more importantly, which to drop.

Playing all three strikers seems like a bad idea to me, sounds like we'd be sacrificing our midfield. Yes, we are a bit top heavy with most of our best players being strikers (or attacking midfieldes). But playing all your best players doesnt usually make the best team. Id like to see Falcao play because he needs to get match fit and we need to have all of them competing for the position on merit. But Id like to see him come on at the expense of RVP (which makes selecting him against Liverpool problematic because when youve had a good game you should keep your place) or Rooney.

 

[Adebesi]

Didn't LVG say something along the lines of Falcao won't start a game this side of Xmas?

Did he say that?

 

[LonelyFire]

Didn't LVG say something along the lines of Falcao won't start a game this side of Xmas?

I dont recall that - would have been big news if he did.

 

[Jerch]

I remember last season Moyes getting a lot of criticism for playing too many strikers, for bringing on extra strikers, for thinking more strikers meant more goals, for being indecisive and unable to decide which striker to play - and, more importantly, which to drop.

Playing all three strikers seems like a bad idea to me, sounds like we'd be sacrificing our midfield. Yes, we are a bit top heavy with most of our best players being strikers (or attacking midfieldes). But playing all your best players doesnt usually make the best team. Id like to see Falcao play because he needs to get match fit and we need to have all of them competing for the position on merit. But Id like to see him come on at the expense of RVP (which makes selecting him against Liverpool problematic because when youve had a good game you should keep your place) or Rooney.

As you said RVP will not be dropped because he just got back in form. Or at least i hope he did. And Rooney is udroppable as a captain and because you know he is one of the best players in the team. We have real trouble to fit all the players in when they are fit but i just want to se Falcao playing. When he came to United it was like a dream signing and it would be really bad if he don't get any good run in the team.

But when i am thinking without emotions i agree with you that playing with three strikers is not probably the best idea.

 

[LonelyFire]

I remember last season Moyes getting a lot of criticism for playing too many strikers, for bringing on extra strikers, for thinking more strikers meant more goals, for being indecisive and unable to decide which striker to play - and, more importantly, which to drop.

Playing all three strikers seems like a bad idea to me, sounds like we'd be sacrificing our midfield. Yes, we are a bit top heavy with most of our best players being strikers (or attacking midfieldes). But playing all your best players doesnt usually make the best team. Id like to see Falcao play because he needs to get match fit and we need to have all of them competing for the position on merit. But Id like to see him come on at the expense of RVP (which makes selecting him against Liverpool problematic because when youve had a good game you should keep your place) or Rooney.

Before Monday i would agree but he was fantastic on Monday night. Goals aside, his hold up play and movement was phenomenal.

 

[Adebesi]

Absolutely, there was a time to drop RVP, we missed it. So Falcao will have to wait, or replace Rooney, or just come on a sub but hopefully for a bit longer than he has been in the last couple of appearances.

 

[Irrational.]

It would be interesting if we did play all three and played ADM, Carrick and Herrera behind them.

 

[Roboc7]

No it hasn't, because they've not been fit and capable of starting games at the same time since we last did it. We've no idea if it's ditched or not, yet.

We ditched it for the West Brom game because we were getting completely overrun and exposing our makeshift defence so I don’t see why we would go back to something that wasn’t working just because Falcao is back.

There isn’t much to read into in terms of why he is being left out, RVP has stated scoring and Falcao still isn’t and may never get back to his previous levels of form and fitness. He will get a chance at some point and he will need to take it otherwise he won’t be signed permanently, from Falcao’s perspective it would be ideal to pick him and play him regularly but getting results is more important at this moment in time so it’s too risky to play him back to fitness when we have other options.

If RVP hadn’t scored 3 goals in last 3 games Falcao might have started on Sunday but as it is he will most likely be on the bench and have to wait until we rotate over Xmas and the FA Cup game to get some starts.

 

[RetroStu]

I really don't understand the situation with him. How he is not match fit after 3 weeks being injury free? I just don't understand it.

He is one of the best strikers in the world and if you have striker of his quality you have to play him week in week out when he is ready. Strikers of his ability usually play through the little injuries like Costa is doing this season, or Rooney against Bayern couple of years ago, even Cisse played for Newcastle 3-4 week ago and he was still clearly injuried.

How he will get match fit if he isn't playing? I just don't understand it. RVP is a good example how we played him this season even if it was obviously that he can't play 90 minutes so he could improve his match fitness. He did and i don't know why we are not doing the same with Falcao.

Because we are not going to sign him, its blatantly obvious. They will only play him if we need to from now to the end of the season.

 

[Borys]

I can easily see all 3 playing this weekend - with Rooney playing in Mata's position.

Yes, I think it's a very good idea. Rooney at the tip of the diamond, and midfield of Carrick behind Herrera and Fellaini. Much better than Mata anywhere close to midfield.

 

[LonelyFire]

Because we are not going o sign him, its blatantly obvious. They will only play him if we need to from now to the end of the season.

I dont think you can draw that conclusion at all. No doubt he's got a lot to prove but to say decision is already made is naive.

 

[RetroStu]

I dont think you can draw that conclusion at all. No doubt he's got a lot to prove but to say decision is already made is naive.

I can draw whatever conclusion i want and my conclusion is that we won't sign him.
The only way we will is if RVP and Rooney got lengthy injuries in the 2nd half of the season and the club had no choice but to play falcao. If he then went on and scored a shit load of goals in the 2nd half of the season, the club would probably have no choice but to sign him.
At the moment though, i don't think the club have any intention of signing him.

 

[RedOldBoy]

Hope he starts along with Wilson in the match against Accrington/Yeovil. He needs to try to gain some confidence but sadly I think he'll still have no service.

 

[Sam]

Have had the feeling for a few weeks that he will make his mark in this Liverpool match, still feel that now, if he plays, against their defence, he is bound to punish them.

People have been 'having feelings' for the past 4 months. Eventually I'm sure one of these feelings will come true. Hopefully.

 

[RetroStu]

People have been 'having feelings' for the past 4 months. Eventually I'm sure one of these feelings will come true. Hopefully.

To be fair, he has to actually play for peoples feelings to come true.

 

[sunama]

People have been 'having feelings' for the past 4 months. Eventually I'm sure one of these feelings will come true. Hopefully.

Hehehe.

I've been saying for a while now: look for him to start in January.
This will be in line with what I'd expect when returning from a ACL injury.
Theo Walcott who got injured at exactly the same time (with same injury), is the yard stick. So keep an eye out for when he starts games for Arsenal. At present he is still not playing games for Arsenal due to injury.

At present, Falcao can only play 20-30 minutes and it would be an absolute shock to me, if he started a game in December.
Unfortunately fans dont want to understand that he is recovering from a major injury and is not ready to start. They are not using logic, but are using "dreams". WTF!!!

If he does start a game in December, I'll be ecstatic because its obvious that he has pace and a lot of hunger.

The bare fact is that, he has been with us for over 3 months. He is a striker who has scored 1 goal in that time. If this continues into next year, we wont be buying him.

 

[Danillaco]

I can easily see all 3 playing this weekend - with Rooney playing in Mata's position.

Me too. Drop Rooney to the top of the diamond, and have Falcão play along RvP. Both can drop, both can score.

I think it would be too much to ask for:

-----Back 5
-----Carrick
Herrera-DiMaria
-----Rooney
---Falcão-RvP

But a man can dream.

 

[dannyrhinos89]

And drop who?

Mata of course, looks really lethargic recently and playing pretty awful for whatever reason

Go back to the diamond then Drop Rooney back and RVP and Falcao up top.

 

[WR10]

Rooney is captain aka undropable and RVP is RVP for LVG. That leaves Falcao fighting with Wilson for a place and lately in our games we've needed wilsons pace and defensive efforts to close out games. You can argue well Falcao has the quality to close off games by killing them off with goals, well, no he can't yet. He doesn't have the match fitness or sharpness to be relied on in such situations, and Van gaal has not taken the gamble or risk of using him in such situations to get match fitness, no matter who the media says he is. Once were in our stride and bit more comfortable, we will drop our proven ways to provide him his match fitness and give him the opportunity to prove if he should really be here at the end of the season. The media and his wife can jerk him off all day and call him fit