Qatar or Ineos - which owners would you prefer? | Vote now Private

Which owners would you prefer?

  • Qatar

    Votes: 961 62.8%
  • Ineos

    Votes: 570 37.2%

  • Total voters
    1,531
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The funding for this supposed committment comes from the state where he comes from. The same funding that was supposed to fund what Malagas owner committed to do in Malaga, which he didn't, as they fall down the leagues.

Nope - Malaga are privately owned. It's idiotic to suggest they are state backed when they are in massive financial difficulties

And the 92 Foundation is also officially a private entity

Yes both are headed by wealthy Qatari families but they are not closely related
 
Well yes I can because I follow such things quite closely and like to know the facts

No idea how you can see the INEOS experience in France as a positive - fans are boycotting, the captain is publicly calling out the management - it couldn't be much worse, you might overlook it if they were new owners but this is after 4 years !

Plus they own Lausanne - Jim put his brother Bob in charge and they got relegated
I love how people always put the Lausanne stuff without context.

So they bought a club that spent 6 of the prior 10 seasons in the 2nd division, and they've spent 3/6 seasons post takeover in the 2nd division. So they took over a yo-yo club and they ... Remained a yo yo club. Alright. Got it.
 
And the 92 Foundation is also officially a private entity
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Yeah of course it is that's why it would be allowed. Let's not pretend like it isn't the state though. We are all adults here. Well, most of us, can't say for sure judging by the state of some other posts in here (not you, just others...)
 
But why does INEOS never improve the clubs they purchase?

If United spends the next few years under INEOS like they did the last few years under the Glazers, it will also be seen as a failure.
 
In addition to running the football side of things like a complete disaster, where they're going down to the 3rd division after being fecked by FFP in the first few years.

You are right to point these out as red flags, if the same owner is buying United? Unless you can prove otherwise, I am under the impression that the United bid is not from the owner of Malaga.
 
That's actually a good point.

It really says a lot about the two bidders that, the longer this goes on, the less awful and 'under no circumstances' the thought of the Glazers staying becomes.

I'm still at the point where I'd rather they leave and we put an end to their reign, but, yeah, you make a fair point about them.

We need a fourth option.
 
I'm looking forward to an ownership that does not have a convoluted, hierarchical decision tree for any and all transfer dealings.
 
But why does INEOS never improve the clubs they purchase?

If United spends the next few years under INEOS like they did the last few years under the Glazers, it will also be seen as a failure.

Yeah this is a worrying sign indeed
 
You are right to point these out as red flags, if the same owner is buying United? Unless you can prove otherwise, I am under the impression that the United bid is not from the owner of Malaga.
Relative of the same family. Someone pointed out this was individual funding, United would be state funded. Either way, they started off with big transfer spending before FFP fecked them and it spiralled. But point is - just because Abu Dhabi has ran Man City well (well...), It doesn't mean this random guy will run United well. Qatar doesn't really run PSG well, they are a circus in an entirely uncompetitive league but also with an impossible project. A member from the same family though flopped horribly with Malaga. It's all the same goals, same empty promises. Take them all with a pinch of salt. The only thing we know from the outside is it looks like Qatar have been pretty amateurish and inept during this negotiating process, while Ratcliffe has been flexible and smart to get the deal done (if it does get done). If they have this supposed funds to transform us, commit all this funding to the stadium, squad, city, infrastructure etc.... Then how come they can't even submit a more favourable offer than Ratcliffe & Ineos? It's a simple question. They have more money, allegedly, yet after 3 rounds of bidding they weren't close, and have then submitted 2 bids long after the final round of bidding after which Ineos apparently started discussing finer details.
 
But why does INEOS never improve the clubs they purchase?

If United spends the next few years under INEOS like they did the last few years under the Glazers, it will also be seen as a failure.
Ownership improving smaller clubs in a sustainable and non sugar daddy fashion takes time, experience, and is a bumpy ride. It's not instant, and it will come with mistakes.

The problem with the Glazers is straight up negligence. All they had to do was try to run us smartly. All we need is an owner who will try to run us smartly, get us performing relative to our spending which is always among the highest. A club performing similar to their spend relative to other clubs is just their standard level.
 
Relative of the same family. Someone pointed out this was individual funding, United would be state funded. Either way, they started off with big transfer spending before FFP fecked them and it spiralled. But point is - just because Abu Dhabi has ran Man City well (well...), It doesn't mean this random guy will run United well. Qatar doesn't really run PSG well, they are a circus in an entirely uncompetitive league but also with an impossible project. A member from the same family though flopped horribly with Malaga. It's all the same goals, same empty promises. Take them all with a pinch of salt. The only thing we know from the outside is it looks like Qatar have been pretty amateurish and inept during this negotiating process, while Ratcliffe has been flexible and smart to get the deal done (if it does get done). If they have this supposed funds to transform us, commit all this funding to the stadium, squad, city, infrastructure etc.... Then how come they can't even submit a more favourable offer than Ratcliffe & Ineos? It's a simple question. They have more money, allegedly, yet after 3 rounds of bidding they weren't close, and have then submitted 2 bids long after the final round of bidding after which Ineos apparently started discussing finer details.

So are you saying if one member of a family is bad at business all the cousins and generations to come will be bad at business too? If you go research, QSI own Qatar not private which Malaga are, even though you think its state funded. Where is your argument then that Qatar will sports wash? is that what they are doing in Malaga?

You say deal this deal that, is the deal signed sealed and delivered?
 
No idea - you better go and ask the proQatar fans

I have a preference for the Sheikh Jassim bid as he has clearly committed to clear the debts from the club, invest in the stadium and remove the Glazers. None of that is to do with the country he comes from.

Dont you want those things?

Did he pinkie promise? Just as well there’s no previous stories of foreign investment, with hidden finances, taking over English clubs and completely screwing them over.
 
I'd say it's worse than 'no real success' - both INEOS clubs seem terribly run so yes I'd take the no experience gamble over the proven failure

Lausanne relegated, Nice fans protesting against the owners and even the captain critical of the management:
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.c...as-captain-dante-criticises-clubs-management/

I didn't realise all this back in March when I voted for INEOS in this poll, it's the main reason I've changed my preference

Yeah…fans protesting and boycotting games. Players coming out and speaking to the press. A toxic culture that’s been cultivated by poor ownership. A failure on promises made about European competitions.

But enough about PSG’s owners.
 
Yeah this is a worrying sign indeed
In fairness, they've only been in control of Nice since 2019. Yes, looks like they've made a few errors. But they seem to have learnt from it.

The Malaga stuff isnt directly related to Jassim but there's a lot of it that sounds similar - the promising x and y before they've even bought the club for one. Some of their actions regarding how they've bid come across a bit naive as well. We've not really heard any other plans rather than what they're going to throw money at upgrading. It's not really a plan.
 
Who knows, if INEOS get United they may just decide to sell the other clubs and focus completely on United.
 
So are you saying if one member of a family is bad at business all the cousins and generations to come will be bad at business too? If you go research, QSI own Qatar not private which Malaga are, even though you think its state funded. Where is your argument then that Qatar will sports wash? is that what they are doing in Malaga?

You say deal this deal that, is the deal signed sealed and delivered?
I am saying that looking at Newcastle and City and assuming because different countries did something, it doesn't mean it would go well on the pitch here. Because PSG isn't a good example for sure, and Malaga though perhaps not state backed (but still wealthy individual planning to be a sugar daddy) completely imploded, filled with false promises. Some people on here want Qatar because they think they'll do as good a job as Abu Dhabi has at City and ignore all the ethical issues. I'm saying that is complete BS because it is completely different people. Nobody knows how they'll do.

Malaga may or may not be state funded. No idea. The United bid would 100% be state funded and sports washing, but ultimately, that doesn't matter if you don't give a feck about any of the ethical issues. Just please don't lie to yourself and pretend it is anything different.
 
Yeah…fans protesting and boycotting games. Players coming out and speaking to the press. A toxic culture that’s been cultivated by poor ownership. A failure on promises made about European competitions.

But enough about PSG’s owners.
Indeed...

Marquinhos blasts PSG ultras as protests continue after Champions League humiliation - Mirror Online

...Those boos came just a day after PSG ultras called on president Nasser Al-Khelaifi to resign following the latest European humbling for their club. Fans have become frustrated with PSG's continued failings in Europe's premier club competition – they have not tasted success in the Champions League despite securing their major Qatar-backed takeover in 2011. That has carried on during Ligue 1 matches and was again evident in Sunday night's victory over rivals Marseille...

also...

PSG fans protest against board, criticise Lionel Messi and chant outside Neymar’s house - The Athletic

...Fans were filmed on Wednesday chanting for the board to resign outside club headquarters, before further clips appeared to show a separate group of supporters visiting the home of Neymar and calling for him to leave the club....
 
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Yeah of course it is that's why it would be allowed. Let's not pretend like it isn't the state though. We are all adults here. Well, most of us, can't say for sure judging by the state of some other posts in here (not you, just others...)

I'm open to the possibility that the state are involved but there is absolutely no proof of it and officially this is a private bid. This is a fact.

Sheikh Jassim is connected to various financial institutions and his father is one of the richest men on the planet so I am absolutely certain he has the capability to do this deal privately

And if it was the state then surely we wouldn't be reaching a convoluted 5th round of bidding, they would slapped £6bn on the table several months ago and got the deal done
 
Yeah…fans protesting and boycotting games. Players coming out and speaking to the press. A toxic culture that’s been cultivated by poor ownership. A failure on promises made about European competitions.

But enough about PSG’s owners.

Good job the owners of PSG aren't bidding for Man United

Unfortunately the owners of Nice are
 
I am saying that looking at Newcastle and City and assuming because different countries did something, it doesn't mean it would go well on the pitch here. Because PSG isn't a good example for sure, and Malaga though perhaps not state backed (but still wealthy individual planning to be a sugar daddy) completely imploded, filled with false promises. Some people on here want Qatar because they think they'll do as good a job as Abu Dhabi has at City and ignore all the ethical issues. I'm saying that is complete BS because it is completely different people. Nobody knows how they'll do.

Malaga may or may not be state funded. No idea. The United bid would 100% be state funded and sports washing, but ultimately, that doesn't matter if you don't give a feck about any of the ethical issues. Just please don't lie to yourself and pretend it is anything different.

Please, lets not get into ethics.. because it will end up with you saying "whataboutism". You think INEOS are clean? Lets not kid ourselves, none of the billionaires trying to buy a club for 5.5bn are clean.

Just that you prefer to ignore some ethical issues.
 
Please, lets not get into ethics.. because it will end up with you saying "whataboutism". You think INEOS are clean? Lets not kid ourselves, none of the billionaires trying to buy a club for 5.5bn are clean.

Just that you prefer to ignore some ethical issues.
Yes I think there are levels to ethical issues. Obviously. I also think a state just shouldn't be allowed to own a club, let alone a regime with a history of human rights violations.

A random owner of a company unconnected from the state ownership, yeah go for it. They aren't directly murdering anybody, part of a regime that are infringing on human rights?

Why don't you want to get into the ethics of it? Does it make you uncomfortable to admit you are willing to ignore being a sportswashing tool for an abusive regime in favor of hoping to win a few more games over a season?
 
Yes I think there are levels to ethical issues. Obviously. I also think a state just shouldn't be allowed to own a club, let alone a regime with a history of human rights violations.

A random owner of a company unconnected from the state ownership, yeah go for it. They aren't directly murdering anybody, part of a regime that are infringing on human rights?

Why don't you want to get into the ethics of it? Does it make you uncomfortable to admit you are willing to ignore being a sportswashing tool for an abusive regime in favor of hoping to win a few more games over a season?

We can go round in circles all day...

So you know for a fact that Jassim has been in violation of human rights?

I actually have been reading from the journalists throughout the sale process and I have never once read that QSI or the Qatari state have bid for Manchester United but you seem to think that is the case.
 
We can go round in circles all day...

So you know for a fact that Jassim has been in violation of human rights?

I actually have been reading from the journalists throughout the sale process and I have never once read that QSI or the Qatari state have bid for Manchester United but you seem to think that is the case.
Keep your head in the sand if you think that this random guy (totally unconnected and in no way family with the rulers... oh wait) suddenly has multi billions of wealth where he wants to spend it all on United and that it isn't actually funded by the state..

Do you think City are all above board? Newcastle? PSG? It's ok if you are willing to ignore all the ethical issues. I genuinely don't give a feck if people don't. It's just hilarious that people will bury their heads in the sand and deny what is blindingly obvious as their way of coping. If you want to support it, at least own it like croadyman is doing where he openly doesn't care about off the pitch things.
 
I'm open to the possibility that the state are involved but there is absolutely no proof of it and officially this is a private bid. This is a fact.

Sheikh Jassim is connected to various financial institutions and his father is one of the richest men on the planet so I am absolutely certain he has the capability to do this deal privately

And if it was the state then surely we wouldn't be reaching a convoluted 5th round of bidding, they would slapped £6bn on the table several months ago and got the deal done
Well the head of the royal family is apparently only worth about 2bln, while the collective wealth of the family which he is part of is worth $335bln.

So no, he does not have enough wealth to buy a $7bln club as an individual.
 
Good job the owners of PSG aren't bidding for Man United

Unfortunately the owners of Nice are

Sure. Unarguably for you because you refuse to believe all the investigative journalists, all the previous evidence of state bids by Middle Eastern countries. It’s a strange stance to take, but I guess it’s made it much easier for you to swallow it. You don’t even seem a little skeptic.

We know that the ninety two foundation can be funded by the state, there’s documentation stating it, but you’re happy enough to accept it hasn’t been. Why would his dads use billions of his own personal wealth when he can easily get it from the state, makes no logical sense.

I’ll humour you and go along with the assumption of it being his dad’s money. Are you not questioning how his dad has this wealth and why it’s so hidden? Stories of him embezzling money from the state, doing arms deals. Absolutely feck this club being bought with that money. You’re actually okay with that? Even if you don’t have any morals, don’t you care about what happens if the political landscape changes?

I'm open to the possibility that the state are involved but there is absolutely no proof of it and officially this is a private bid. This is a fact.

Sheikh Jassim is connected to various financial institutions and his father is one of the richest men on the planet so I am absolutely certain he has the capability to do this deal privately

And if it was the state then surely we wouldn't be reaching a convoluted 5th round of bidding, they would slapped £6bn on the table several months ago and got the deal done

If his dad is one of the richest men in the world then surely we wouldn't be reaching a convoluted 5th round of bidding, they would slapped £6bn on the table several months ago and got the deal done
 
Why did you think they would be any different, out of interest? If all other teams fans are like that, as you say, then it sounds 'the norm' for humans - why did you think United fans were any different than the norm?

Good question.

I guess I thought we all really hated oil clubs and the way they are ruining football.
 
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I'm looking forward to an ownership that does not have a convoluted, hierarchical decision tree for any and all transfer dealings.
That’s a pipedream. United fans will never be happy with whom ever owns the club. Jassim or SJR will be turned in a few years. The division never goes away.
 
Good question.

I guess I thought we all really hated oil clubs and the way they are ruining football.
We did. Until the Qatari promised renovations and big transfers.

I‘d rather lose than become a meaningless oil club.
 
It would be interesting to re-do this poll considering how much more we know now.

My guess is Qatar would win with a share of at least 75-80%
 
We did. Until the Qatari promised renovations and big transfers.

I‘d rather lose than become a meaningless oil club.

Us, Madrid and probably Barcelona are the 3 best suited clubs IMO to overcome these shitty clubs, and I was really surprised how 9 out of 10 people immediately got swayed by Qatar's interest.

Shit on City every day for 15 years straight for what they've become, next thing you know you are begging to become just like them at the first opportunity.
 
Well yes I can because I follow such things quite closely and like to know the facts

No idea how you can see the INEOS experience in France as a positive - fans are boycotting, the captain is publicly calling out the management - it couldn't be much worse, you might overlook it if they were new owners but this is after 4 years !

Plus they own Lausanne - Jim put his brother Bob in charge and they got relegated

I don't know why people are concerned about Nice and Lausanne, especially the latter who were never going to receive any significant funding; there is nothing to get out of that club. Nice and Lausanne are just preparation clubs to build a network for them to takeover a bigger side.

Nice are a middling club that are getting about the same average finishes as they were previously, and Lasaunne have actually improved upon their general trend of relegation and promotion. It has only taken them one season to return to the top league (promotion secured this season) as opposed to two being their best previously (they have never been an established top-league side).

It seems there are concerns amongst Nice supporters that they will become a feeder club to Manutd, which is a very likely outcome if Ineos become the new owners.
 
Us, Madrid and probably Barcelona are the 3 best suited clubs IMO to overcome these shitty clubs, and I was really surprised how 9 out of 10 people immediately got swayed by Qatar's interest.

Shit on City every day for 15 years straight for what they've become, next thing you know you are begging to become just like them at the first opportunity.
Yes exactly, it is so damn pathetic.

There is no guarantee that we would be as successful as City: look at how hard Chelsea is failing after having spent 600 million.

It might not work out the way the Oilers think.
 
If his dad is one of the richest men in the world then surely we wouldn't be reaching a convoluted 5th round of bidding, they would slapped £6bn on the table several months ago and got the deal done


Being one of the richest men in the world doesn't mean they would overpay. Man Utd's market cap is about $3.10 billion. Why should they pay $7.5 billion(£6 billion)?
 
Get your" Man Utd Just Stop Gas" banners ,Yeah!!!! we are morally superior ,makes ya feel good eh? Bet the Double Glazers that stay are Soccer fans and it was the other 4 Glazers that stopped investment all those years.
 
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As I've said a lot, I'm still pretty undecided between what I see as three far from ideal options.

Without having a strong opinion I've pretty much stayed out of the threads / debates as the situation has dragged on. But, must admit, as I've been discussing it for the past few days I think I've swayed from slightly preferring to the Qatari bid to slightly preferring the Ratcliffe one.

But really not a lot in it. And I'm still concerned about Ratcliffe's record in charge of Nice and Lausanne. And also concerned about another person in their 70's buying the club. Don't really want to end up with Ratcliffe's children, or whoever, as owners by proxy the same as the Glazers. It's a shame the chance to buy the club has only come now - although I guess you could argue he's had the chance to 'learn from his (many) mistakes' at other clubs in the meantime. We can only hope so, anyway.