Absolutely nobody, nobody, is making that argument. The argument is that people responsible for human rights abuses should not own Manchester United, and that if Manchester United is bought by people responsible for human rights abuses, then the only ethical thing for fans to do is to walk away from the club. If you do choose to continue supporting the club you've made the value judgment that the footballing success of your team is more important than the human rights of women, immigrants, and LGBTQ+ people in Qatar.
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Absolutely nobody, nobody, is making that argument. The argument is that people responsible for human rights abuses should not own Manchester United, and that if Manchester United is bought by people responsible for human rights abuses, then the only ethical thing for fans to do is to walk away from the club. If you do choose to continue supporting the club you've made the value judgment that the footballing success of your team is more important than the human rights of women, immigrants, and LGBTQ+ people in Qatar.
How accurate are polls anyway?
Votes might come from internet trolls, or opposing supporters not wanting our club to come into money, or various other factors.
Votes might come from internet trolls, or opposing supporters not wanting our club to come into money, or various other factors.
Well I doubt the glazers will go to watch Twitter polls to decide who they will sell to.
qatar seems like they would bid for osimhen whilst ineos would bid for kane.
I love when pro Qatar posters go on about not wanting or caring about politics. As if Qatar bid doesnt have anything with politics. 
Based on what?
Again you are making the wrong assumptions and wrong conclusions....conclusions to satisfy your mindset. In the real world, people can support their club and still be against human rights abuses. Not everyone is crazy rigid like you state it
So the whole argument as you have spelled it out is from a black and white mindset. Most people are mature enough to separate the 2 issues...they are mature enough to want success for their club while also being against human rights abuses in Qatar. They are also mature enough to know that Qatar isnt doing the same things in Europe. They are mature enough to know that the Glazers and their borrow to the grave mentality is not something we can stick with anymore too. They are mature enough to know that if sir jim is borrowing to buy us, he will borrow to maintain us. They are mature enough to know that qatar is the best option so far...maybe not the perfect one, but the best one so far.
I'm not sure if you can point that out. Are most people mature enough?
Who do people think will be our law firm if this goes through? Any chants/banners?
Statement signing.
So its just you assuming?
Online polls in general not very accurate in gauging opinions. Twitter polls are about as accurate as flipping a coin.
Yup. Thats why i said 'it seems'. For example i can see psg going all out for osimhen for 150mil than going for someone like Toney or Kane who would be cheaper yet good English players. The statement signing would be different imo aslong as ten hag liked/was happy with all 3.
Exactly this, especially the part about Qatar’s development.
I love when pro Qatar posters go on about not wanting or caring about politics. As if Qatar bid doesnt have anything with politics.
It doesn't have anything to do with politics.
Dread it, run from it, destiny arrives all the same. From the Twitter handle of the ministry of foreign affairs in Qatar @ MofaQatar_EN . They are going to get into football one way or another.
Qatar and Britain launch the first strategic dialogue in London to strengthen and deepen the partnership between the two countries
Technology and Education:
In October 2021, Qatar Energy signed an agreement with Shell to collaborate on blue and green hydrogen projects in the UK.
In 2021, Qatar Foundation and Rolls-Royce signed an MOU to create a groundbreaking centre for climate-tech innovation.
In December 2021, Qatar Investment Authority agreed to invest GBP 85 million in Rolls-Royce small modular reactor SMR.
Over 3000 Qataris study in the UK.
Approximately 21,000 British nationals currently live in Qatar.
Trade and Investment:
The United Kingdom is the single largest destination for Qatari investment in Europe.
Qatar is proud to be a hub for UK companies doing business in the MENA region and a link for trade between the UK and Asia.
The UK is Qatar's 7th largest trading partner worldwide.
His Highness the Amir announced in May 2022 a GBP 10 billion investment over the following five years in the UK economy.
The partnership between the two countries boosts the existing approximate
GBP 45 billion Qatari investment in the UK economy.
Qatari investment in the UK encompasses a wide range of sectors, including energy, finance, real estate, sports, hospitality, and healthcare.
Over 1200 British companies actively operate in Qatar.
Qatar and Britain launch the first strategic dialogue in London to strengthen and deepen the partnership between the two countries
Technology and Education:
In October 2021, Qatar Energy signed an agreement with Shell to collaborate on blue and green hydrogen projects in the UK.
In 2021, Qatar Foundation and Rolls-Royce signed an MOU to create a groundbreaking centre for climate-tech innovation.
In December 2021, Qatar Investment Authority agreed to invest GBP 85 million in Rolls-Royce small modular reactor SMR.
Over 3000 Qataris study in the UK.
Approximately 21,000 British nationals currently live in Qatar.
Trade and Investment:
The United Kingdom is the single largest destination for Qatari investment in Europe.
Qatar is proud to be a hub for UK companies doing business in the MENA region and a link for trade between the UK and Asia.
The UK is Qatar's 7th largest trading partner worldwide.
His Highness the Amir announced in May 2022 a GBP 10 billion investment over the following five years in the UK economy.
The partnership between the two countries boosts the existing approximate
GBP 45 billion Qatari investment in the UK economy.
Qatari investment in the UK encompasses a wide range of sectors, including energy, finance, real estate, sports, hospitality, and healthcare.
Over 1200 British companies actively operate in Qatar.
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You're completely naive if you really think that.
I kinda don't trust either.
Jassim is obviously bidding on behalf of Qatar's state, the state of Qatar controls the natural resources of the country, mainly natural gas, which brings buttload of money, these guys have close to $50B yearly as surplus!! and that is the source of the money for Jassim, we know his father is personally loaded, especially after selling his stake in Qatar Airways, but I don't think what the father has in his personal wealth is enough to outright buy MUFC without the help of the state. I am also apprehensive about state ownership on ethical and moral grounds, with what we know about Human Rights violations that goes on and specifically for Qatar with the way the WC bid was won, and the state of foreign workers who built the stadiums and all of that.
SJR obviously doesn't have the funds to buy MUFC too, so he will have to take a loan from US Bankers, which is quite worrying, luckily, I do not think what the glazers did 17 years ago (Leveraged Buyout) will fly today with the PL, but I am not certain also how he will manage the club, the main issue for a lot of the fans is the debt that the Glazers saddled the club with, SJR will take a loan and what information we have is that debt will not be added to the club but what about the current debt, and what about the club's infrastructure which the Glazers neglected for a decade, these are the main doubts I have.
of course I will still support the club regardless of who buys it, but I will certainly be worried if either buys the club.
Jassim is obviously bidding on behalf of Qatar's state, the state of Qatar controls the natural resources of the country, mainly natural gas, which brings buttload of money, these guys have close to $50B yearly as surplus!! and that is the source of the money for Jassim, we know his father is personally loaded, especially after selling his stake in Qatar Airways, but I don't think what the father has in his personal wealth is enough to outright buy MUFC without the help of the state. I am also apprehensive about state ownership on ethical and moral grounds, with what we know about Human Rights violations that goes on and specifically for Qatar with the way the WC bid was won, and the state of foreign workers who built the stadiums and all of that.
SJR obviously doesn't have the funds to buy MUFC too, so he will have to take a loan from US Bankers, which is quite worrying, luckily, I do not think what the glazers did 17 years ago (Leveraged Buyout) will fly today with the PL, but I am not certain also how he will manage the club, the main issue for a lot of the fans is the debt that the Glazers saddled the club with, SJR will take a loan and what information we have is that debt will not be added to the club but what about the current debt, and what about the club's infrastructure which the Glazers neglected for a decade, these are the main doubts I have.
of course I will still support the club regardless of who buys it, but I will certainly be worried if either buys the club.
And you really enjoy pulling theories out your back end. But it's great we can all coexist peacefully on the Caf with our different outlooks
I bet you even think hosting World cup didnt have anything to do with politics. You precious little soul.
I’m shocked by the poll results. Same forum that berated David Beckham for being a 2022 WC ambassador and FIFA for awarding the World Cup to Qatar.
At least I’ve stayed consistent. Keyboard pushers can show their displeasure when other people take the gravy train. But are a bunch of hypocrites when it means we will be getting a shiny new stadium and superstars like Mbappe.
It's a reflection of democracy everywhere. Everyone claims to want a better world but few see beyond their own self interest in order to achieve it.
Hahahahaha.
Well it's mostly been a bunch of hypocrites this whole time
The criticism against the likes of PSG and City wasn't out of concern for the game or because of the ethics of the owners... It was because they usurped a quasi-monopoly of traditional top clubs.
Word on the street is that the Sauds and co would have never blockaded Qatar if a Qatari citizen owned Manchester United. Did Abramovich a lot of good, owning Chelsea....
This is a good post. In which you didnt have the need to retort to mental gymnastics about Qatar, situation there and about the bid itself or to claim its just a pure investment without anything political about it all the whole pointing out the changes in the country happening. To top it you said why you want a Qatar ownership pure and simple and that's fair.
Posters who tend to close their eyes and sugarcoat the Qatar story so they can feel themselves better or whatever about the whole thing should look up to your post.
Not voted, if any bidder claimed to at some point open part of the club to fan ownership, it may influence my decision.
How dare you. Everyone knows that Twitter is very representative of the population and is not populated largely by unhinged idiots craving attention. How dare you.
The ones who are ok with accepting what Qatar bring are fine - the issues are the posters frantically trying to justify them. There seem to be a lot of people apparently happy at the wealth Qatar can bring but trying their absolute hardest to make out like we wouldn’t be the same City, PSG and Newcastle.
You can add most arguments in support of FFP as well which mostly stems from similar mindset.
The world isn't going to be better by stopping Qatar buying a football club. Lets not be ridiculous.
The UK and Qatar literally yesterday signed a massive trade deal, they're going nowhere. If anything, Qatar are trying to clean their act up and become 'legit'. I'd say that's them trying to make it a better place.
When you see the sources of those in favour of Qatar it really isn't too surprising at all. Those are the type of results I'd expect.
I appreciate that it's subjective but we need to ask if these kind of investments are making football as a whole better or worse. Should any club have an unearned competitive advantage over others?
Oh absolutely.
To see a huge amount of United fans now contort themselves to make excuses... It's sweet. I love it.
PSG is run properly
It's too late to ask that. The moment they allowed Abu Dhabi,Saudi Arabia and to a lesser extent Abramovich into the league, it was over.
The only thing that can be done is strict FFP regulations (which do seem to be coming now)
I don't agree that endless money should be spent, there should be some sort of parity to remain competitive.
I don't think any United fan really want that to happen either, we just want the debt cleared and enough money to have top class facilities. We can buy our own players like we always have.