PS3 Won't play discs.

Oh and for the record, my PC is much better, and I bought it a year ago for about a grand. Factor in the cost of a 19" HD t.v to get the proper quality out of a PS3 and XB360 a year ago and the difference in cost is negligible.

I already owned a 32" LCD with 1080p capability so the cost for me was not a factor.

PCs are generally better for gaming as the biggest games are usually on the PC, but for me the resolution capabilities of the PS3 make it a far better machine that the Xbox.
 
Overall performance I dispute. Graphical performance I do not. The benefit the PC will always have is that it's upgradeable, has large amounts of RAM, and huge economies of scale and competition in the market keeping prices down, although the competition aspect does not really apply to the GPUs on offer.

This is a bitch:

http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/33626...-768MB-PCI-Express-Graphics-Card/Product.html

You could say that throughout the years. I've always been, and always will be a console fan. I prefer gaming on them and I prefer the 'wow' factor you get from new games on them.

That's the unbeatable part for me.

However, when you talk of today's consoles, you are talking about moving more into a one unit-for-all situation, and as a gamer I couldn't care less about that crap. My PC plays better games than the new consoles, and when it doesn't I'll get one of the consoles.

For example, I own a Wii because you can't replicate those games on a PC and I'm soon going to own a 360, because you can't play GOW2 or Halo 3 on a PC and still have gaming self respect!

I will own a PS3 by the end of the year, because I'm really liking the more niche games that are coming out for it (reminds me of the Dreamcast days).

But in a discussion about gaming across the three platforms, it takes a lot to beat the PC on any level. It does happen, but not often.
 
Thats pretty much what i was getting at, however badly i worded it :p

My PC by standards now is average, dual core, 2gb ram and a 7950 GT (512mb ddr) however im free to upgrade it whenever i want, the PS3 will always the same.

Nice graphics card too, nice price as well!

I'm running the GX2 version in my gaming machine. Brilliant. I'm going SLI the second I get a chance.
 
I already owned a 32" LCD with 1080p capability so the cost for me was not a factor.

PCs are generally better for gaming as the biggest games are usually on the PC, but for me the resolution capabilities of the PS3 make it a far better machine that the Xbox.

Not always, the consoles are better for gaming on a number of levels. It all depends on what the game was intended for.

Oh, and what do you mean by the resolution capabilities of the PS3 over the X360? Are you talking just games?
 
I'm running the GX2 version in my gaming machine. Brilliant. I'm going SLI the second I get a chance.

I'll probably get an SLI setup for my next PC. Im lucky in that work provide me with a budget to renew my PC each year as i get to do out of hours support from home from time to time and when i refused because they offered me a shitbox PC and i didn't want two in my house, they just said build your own and charge us for it :D
 
Not always, the consoles are better for gaming on a number of levels. It all depends on what the game was intended for.

Oh, and what do you mean by the resolution capabilities of the PS3 over the X360? Are you talking just games?

true, but I was thinking more of games where you can customize characters, and maps being excessively large...for example, Diablo II for the PC being a far better and funner to play game than Champions of Norath on the PS2. Consoles often have more playability but it can be a toss up.

Mostly, yes I was thinking of games because the blu-ray element makes it unfair to compare the two consoles.
 
Oh, and what do you mean by the resolution capabilities of the PS3 over the X360? Are you talking just games?

Few games up to now been done with a native 1080p frame buffer. If you can do COD4 or Rachet and Clank however 60fps in 720p, I see few reasons why you couldn't do them 30fps at 1080p - memory allowing of course.

I can guess that RSX is probably capable of outputting a 4096x2160 image if it had enough RAM and 2 HDMI sockets. ;)

Then again, I can't be exactly sure due to Sony's pigheadedness not saying what it exactly is.
 
Maybe, but far fewer than the 4-5 million or so XB360s that have already done so.

I really don't understand some of you XBox (Microsoft) lovers. The fact that there are serious design flaws with the 360, and that it was designed and manufactured to very low standards, which is not disputable by any means, means that you have to jump in every time there is some issue with a PS3 in some vain attempt to try and place Microsoft in some illusionary light.

It's quite simply ridiculous fanboyism to the extreme. Yep, the BD drive in this case has probably gone pop, it's the most likely thing to go pop for several different reasons (Sony made or not), and none are through design or manufacturing problems outside of the norm.

100% spot on Weaste mate!
 
The PS3 also has a well defined upgrade path towards PS4.

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XB360 does not have this at all, they will either pull out and simply define a platform like they tried to do with MSX, or they wil have to throw one hell of a lot of money at the problem. In fact I'm going to start a thread on this.
 
Cheaper PS3s?

It looks as if there is a possibility that another significant PS3 price drop could be in the works sooner rather than later. I wonder where Microsoft are with this?

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SAN FRANCISCO — At an ISSCC session yesterday afternoon, IBM announced details of a smaller, lower-power version of the Cell BE processor that powers Sony's PlayStation 3. The Cell BE is currently fabricated on IBM's 65nm SOI process, but IBM will soon move the console chip onto the company's much-ballyhooed, next-generation 45nm high-k process.

The 45nm Cell will use about 40 percent less power than its 65nm predecessor, and its die area will be reduced by 34 percent. The greatly reduced power budget will cut down on the amount of active cooling required by the console, which in turn will make it cheaper to produce and more reliable (this means fewer warrantied returns). Also affecting Sony's per-unit cost is the reduction in overall die size. A smaller die means a smaller, cheaper package; it also means that yields will be better and that each chip will cost less overall.

All of these chip- and unit-level savings may or may not get passed on to gamers in the form of price cuts any time soon. It all depends on whether Sony wants to boost its margins and show a profit in its gaming unit, or attract new gamers to the console by lowering the price. Eventually, the cost savings will get passed on to users; it's just a question of when.

Speaking of Cell and sales, the presentation suggests that, despite IBM's promise that Cell could see widespread adoption outside of the console realm, Sony is still far and away IBM's main customer of Cell. Specifically, IBM states the following in the paper digest: "To guarantee the proper operation of existing gaming software, the exact cycle-by-cycle machine behavior, including operating frequency, must be preserved."

In other words, IBM's Cell shrink was made with Sony in mind; the chipmaker didn't take advantage of the shrink to make any performance-enhancing tweaks, opting instead to preserve the exact performance characteristics of the 65nm version, which itself preserved the performance characteristics of the 90nm version.

Now, I'll admit that a member of Intel's Itanium team is the person who highlighted this part of the paper for me, but I still think he has a point. This process shrink is all about making cheaper PlayStation 3's, with IBM's narrow but profitable Cell-based blade business taking a back seat to the needs of the volume console market. So IBM may have suckered Sony into buying a supercomputing coprocessor disguised as a gaming chip, but it looks like Sony could get the last laugh.

I'm not too sure what the author is going on about in the last few paragraphs. Performance enhancing tweaks were never on the cards at this point in the well known Cell roadmap.

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Sony/Toshiba's fabs are SOI and bulk process, IBM's are SOI, and it is after the 45nm shrink that the two diverge. IBM will start the redesign towards "Cell 2" and tweaking the current chip, and Sony and Toshiba will move towards the mini and micro-cell (PS3 still will use the normal Cell - Toshiba's SPURS Engine being the first mini-cell derivative) that will be used in a variety of consumer electronics products now that power consumption is acceptable. PS4 will then use the multi-core SOI chip from IBM and the process will start again. I think that the author doesn't quite understand how the STI partnership was setup.

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I bought Devil May Cry 4 today, and a HDMI cable to use on my new HDTV. I'm hoping this is where i start to use my PS3 alot more than i have done. I also decided to spend an extra £10 on the game itself by getting the PS3 version for the purpose of getting more use out of it alone. I'm gonna have the annoying decision of what platform to get GTA and Resident Evil 5 for coming up as well.
 
I bought Devil May Cry 4 today, and a HDMI cable to use on my new HDTV. I'm hoping this is where i start to use my PS3 alot more than i have done. I also decided to spend an extra £10 on the game itself by getting the PS3 version for the purpose of getting more use out of it alone. I'm gonna have the annoying decision of what platform to get GTA and Resident Evil 5 for coming up as well.

Whats DMC 4 like mate? It looks awesome from the videos i've seen.
 
Whats DMC 4 like mate? It looks awesome from the videos i've seen.

I've just done the second level (which is technically the first, sicne the actual first was a tutorial) and it's good. Very fast pace action, and the bosses look epic, from what i've seen anyway. I've never actually played any of the older versions so i can't compare, but this is good, and i can see it getting quite difficult eventually.

PS3 version seems to be the right choice, i doubt there's any major difference, but i just can't imagine playing that type of game on a 360 pad.
 
So I was just playing the fallout new Vegas Santa brought me when it freezes
-no big deal I thought, fallout freezes all the time, it's to he expected

only when i restarted the console my ps3 won't read the disc, or any other blu ray disc I try :(

DVDs worked fine but not BD

I turned it off fo an hour and success it found the disc, wouldn't load it though and after 10 mins I restarted once more and low and behold it no longer finds the disc again

I'm guessing it's a laser issue so a couple of questions

do the BD head cleaning discs do any good? As it's only being temperamental ATM does anyone hink this will solve it?

If I replace the laser is it easy to do or should I pay an agent?

My ps3 is the original uk launch model and I really don't want to give up on it if it can be easily fixed
 
"Lets sum it all up, the error is not hardware related and is caused due to corruption of firmware. Restoring you PS3 will not roll back the firmware, and unfortunately will not fix the issue 9 times out of 10. If you are receiving this error, contact Sony for a replacement unit. Again I hope none of my readers have to see the dreaded 80010514 error and by following Gamerevolver.com’s simple steps your bound to prolongue the life of your PS3 indefinitely. "

https://www.redcafe.net/f27/ps3-error-80010514-a-315714/
 
That's all well and good, and by that I mean the complete opposite but as yet I've not received any error messages just refusal to play BDs

ive read through the link you gave and it mentions it being an issue many units have in their early life, my machines what 4-5 years old now and I've never had any issues with it up to this

am I just wishful thinking that it's dust on the laser? Do you really think I've got this 80.... error thingy :(

been quoted £65 for a new laser to be fitted but if it's a firmware issue I guess there's no point

is there any point in speaking to Sony, my dealings with their support in the past have been of varying degrees of frustration, my warrantys long past