PS3 Price Drop

You're all turds!

Is everything you can play a game on a games machine?

Are you all saying that a PS3 is exclusive for gamers to talk about?

Well, know, I don't have a modern console, and I don't spend my time fecking about with 60 quid games (I used to but I grew up).

The PS3 is not a games machine, it's a bit of consumer electronics that can play games. I'm going to buy one next week along with a HD-TV (going to seriously piss the missus off is this) so I can watch the movies and try to get the fecking thing to stream movies download on my PC. I bet IO can get it to work in 3 weeks.
 
Yes, the PS3 is an entertainment hub we know...

However, it is known most for it's gaming side of it. It is marketed for the gaming side of it. It makes money mainly on the gaming side of it.

What do people talk about the PS3 on here for? The gaming side of it.

We aren't saying it doesn't do other stuff, it clearly does, but frankly no-one cares. So you can talk about it all you like, but preaching to us will do nothing as no-one cares because we are GAMERS.
 
golden_blunder said:
thats where the money is, whether WD likes it or not ;)
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Sony have never marketed it as a games console, for bad or worse. Have they every marketed any Playstation as a games console?

You all are either a little bit thick or very naive! 68% or so of the entire development costs of the PS3 went into the Cell. nVidia did the RSX, you should all know who did the bus, there is very little else apart from the Blu-ray player which is exclusively Sony's.

The PS3 will do well in time, Blu-ray will be the definitive format forcing all you XBoxers to shell out for another bit of kit because of Microsoft stupidity. It gets me that none of you people have a nice thing to say about probably the most innovative electronics company that ever lived. The Walkman, the Trinitron Tube, etc. It's a living consumer electronics legend. It tries once again to be innovative (the Cell is out of the box - you don't get IBM wanking itself off over nothing), and people are trying to diss it and put it down because they have feck all patience. You're all idiots.
 
That's nice Weaste.

What I have said throughout this conversation, is that we appreciate the PS3 is more then a games console. Call it whatever the feck you want to call it.

However, we only appreciate the gaming side of it because we are gamers. We aren't dismissing the other capabilities, we aren't saying Sony is a shit company. We are talking about it from a gaming perspective.
 
WeasteDevil said:
What else can you do with a XBox exactly? An XBox was designed to be a games console, nothing more. Otherwise it would be running Windows Vista by now.

The PS3 was designed as the launch vehicle for a processor that will dominate consumer and professional electronics for years to come. Look at it this way. Sony needed to produce a new console, that is not in doubt, but they could have done that far more cheaply and far quicker than they did. Instead, they decided to go and produce a radically new processor to stick in it. Then got Toshiba and IBM to put shit loads of their cash into the project whilst they were at it. In fact, it's going to become the mainstay of IBM's serious products for at least the next ten years.

Here is where the problem lies - that you all look at the PS3 as something to play games on. It's a little supercomputer in a console box. Do you really think that in 2 years a Viao laptop will not have PS3 innards inside it? Of course it will. This is by far more about domination of electronics that it is about playing games. I repeat, almost 80% of all consumer electronics devices in a few years time will have a Cell in them.

This is a long term strategy from Sony, the software for the PS3 will come, but they do not need to rush it. Microsoft rushed it. It's all well and good having all that software (80% of which is probably crap as it as always been with games) but a little bit unfortunate when you have to put a billion dollar aside for machines that decide they are not going to work anymore. Also, what's all that bollocks with the "sidecar" hard disk? Typical Microsoft trying to lock you into their own proprietary standards to milk you. No HD-DVD drive as standard, no wireless as standard, shitty little hard disk, etc. Money making, value-engineering that has backfired, and it serves them right.

I don't know about you, but I would prefer to buy a decent bit of kit that will in time will obviously prevail. I don't play games though.
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WD, people don't give a damn about that. Only technical guru like yourself care much. And if Sony, spending shitloads of money and time to put an "excellent engineer" like you said and still can not convince the major users out there then well, bad luck for them.

That last bit there explain the difference between you and the rest on this thread. They buy PS3 to play games.
 
quiet_united said:
WD, people don't give a damn about that. Only technical guru like yourself care much. And if Sony, spending shitloads of money and time to put an "excellent engineer" like you said and still can not convince the major users out there then well, bad luck for them.

That last bit there explain the difference between you and the rest on this thread. They buy PS3 to play games.
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Why do people only think that it's gamers that will buy a PS3?

I'm going to buy one, but I don't play games. I would think that around 40% of the people that have bought one are not gamers. It's a device that can play games; it's also a device that can do other things.
 
Hectic said:
That's nice Weaste.

What I have said throughout this conversation, is that we appreciate the PS3 is more then a games console. Call it whatever the feck you want to call it.

However, we only appreciate the gaming side of it because we are gamers. We aren't dismissing the other capabilities, we aren't saying Sony is a shit company. We are talking about it from a gaming perspective.
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No, but why put it into the "game only" box? That is what you are all doing. It means that any PS3 conversation automatically becomes an "entertainment" or "games" conversation!

That's the joke! This thread had feck all to do with games, but about Sony giving the thing a price drop. Why does that end up in the entertainment forum? It was not about games, but lowering the price of a bit of consumer electronics.
 
But we aren't talking about other people.

Apart from you on redcafe Weaste, no-one else has brought up the programming aspect of it. You did, we have only really talked about the gaming side of it.

I'm not saying you can't talk about it, because you obviously can. But you are trying to preach to people about something we aren't interested in.
 
WeasteDevil said:
No, but why put it into the "game only" box? That is what you are all doing. It means that any PS3 conversation automatically becomes an "entertainment" or "games" conversation!

That's the joke! This thread had feck all to do with games, but about Sony giving the thing a price drop. Why does that end up in the entertainment forum? It was not about games, but lowering the price of a bit of consumer electronics.
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I couldn't give a damn where this thread goes, it's all the same to me anyway.

What I'm arguing is that concerning the PS3, most if not all of us, bar you, are talking about the gaming side of it. The other argument, well that's between you and gb, all this entertainment/general crap confuses me.
 
Hectic said:
But we aren't talking about other people.

Apart from you on redcafe Weaste, no-one else has brought up the programming aspect of it. You did, we have only really talked about the gaming side of it.

I'm not saying you can't talk about it, because you obviously can. But you are trying to preach to people about something we aren't interested in.
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As per usual you miss the point. You lot might be interested in making the thread into an entertainment one, but the first post of the thread had feck all to do with that. It was taking about a bit of kit, not what runs on it.

And I don't basically care what the majority of people want, it doesn't always make things right, otherwise we would not have had Margret Thatcher! Things should be left in their original context, not moved because the masses decide to take it into an opposite direction.
 
i give up. what is this thread really about then WD?

As far as i can see its for you to call us all idiots because we like to game and to whine about the entertainment forum
 
WeasteDevil said:
Why do people only think that it's gamers that will buy a PS3?

I'm going to buy one, but I don't play games. I would think that around 40% of the people that have bought one are not gamers. It's a device that can play games; it's also a device that can do other things.
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I think you're dreaming if you think 40% of people who bought the PS3 have bought it for stuff other then games, the Blue ray player is a bonus, as the DVD player was on the PS2.
 
WeasteDevil said:
What is the point of making comments about the price when you know very well why the price is different.
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i was talking about the price difference between the US and the European markets..not the price difference between Sony and Microsoft consoles

do you want to argue about that as well?
 
golden_blunder said:
i give up. what is this thread really about then WD?

As far as i can see its for you to call us all idiots because we like to game and to whine about the entertainment forum
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It's about those of you that see the PS3 as only an entertainment "read games" piece of electronic hardware. One of these threads did not start off in this pathetic "entertainment" forum, but was moved here, probably by you.

The PS3 can be used for entertainment (as can a PC or a Mac), but can also be used for other things.

Do you not get this?
 
golden_blunder said:
i was talking about the price difference between the US and the European markets..not the price difference between Sony and Microsoft consoles

do you want to argue about that as well?
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I never said you were talking about price differences between MS and Sony, get with the programme. Post, first reply to yours, Denmark, tax! The one you carefully ignored.
 
It's like speaking to a brick wall that can call me an idiot back.
 
WeasteDevil said:
It's called tax, amongst other things, thus why it's probably more expensive in Denmark than anywhere on the planet.
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yes its a fair point

but my post was a general whinge about the much higher cost that we incur on electrical devices in UK/Ireland compared to the US. I dont care if its because of tax or whatever, it was a general whinge.

Happy now?
 
WeasteDevil said:
It's about those of you that see the PS3 as only an entertainment "read games" piece of electronic hardware. One of these threads did not start off in this pathetic "entertainment" forum, but was moved here, probably by you.

The PS3 can be used for entertainment (as can a PC or a Mac), but can also be used for other things.

Do you not get this?
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At this time, people only want to talk about the games capability. We have already stated in several threads that we know what the PS3 is capable off. I've even said i will buy one in the future. But, we're all gamers here and like to talk about the games. Do you not get this?
 
I've lost track what you are talking about.

I can't see how you keep ignoring our points.

Read GB's latest post...that sums everything up.
 
WeasteDevil said:
You're the brick wall!

So every conversation about the PS3 ends up in here now does it? It's a PS3, it has to be entertainment based.

No!
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I have never said it belonged here or there....I don't give a feck if it's in the general or the entertainment forum....

No-one but you is talking about the programming/hardware stuff, no-one but you cares about it either...
 
WeasteDevil said:
Do they? Whether it's the actual intention of the topic or not?

I'll start a thread about the PS3s Cell processor in the general then and it will end up in this joke of a forum?
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Yes!

No-one else knows about the stuff you know, we are simple. We brought the 360 or PS3 or Wii's for the games. It's great having Xbox Live, or having Blu-ray, but everyone talking about the consoles brought it for the gaming system.

Now when we say, the 360 is better then the PS3, we are talking about it purely in gaming terms, because at the end of the day, most of us don't know the other sort of stuff enough to freely compare it.
 
Sony did choose to market it as the PlayStation, didn't they? :confused:

So, at the end of the day, it was still meant to be seen as a games console, and that's how it will and should be judged. Gamers (me included) won't give a flying crap about the fantastic hardware if the games themselves are crap.

Just my tuppence.
 
Oh, Weaste, you could start a thread in the General about the PS3's Cell processor and its marvellous capabilities, but I can bet you an avatar it'll be turned into a gaming discussion within 10 posts. :)
 
Yes, and the Playstation is marketed primarily for its gaming capabilities.
 
poor WD
he's to smart for you...for me to
WD don't try learning a goat to play saxophone.
 
I have.

I have seen loads of Playstation adverts solely promoting the gaming side of it.

Billboards as well, plus adverts in magazines.

Sure it does a whole range of other spectacular features, but it's main marketing factor is it's gaming side of it.
 
Hectic said:
Now when we say, the 360 is better then the PS3, we are talking about it purely in gaming terms, because at the end of the day, most of us don't know the other sort of stuff enough to freely compare it.
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Herein lies the problem, and the problem of the Internet in General - so full of total bullshit. Lies, lies, and damn statistical lies. Either that or total muppetry.

http://www.itvidya.com/node/1330/print

Start with the first lines.

The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. The Cell processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games.

The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.
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It's actually back to front. Games use a very very tight loop, they do not branch very much and do not need cache. Code is best handled by a vector unit? :lol: The PS3 has 7 of the bloody things.

Then we carry on...

Cell's streaming floating-point work is done on its seven DSP processors. Since geometry processing is moved to the GPU, the need for streaming floating-point work and other DSP style programming in games has dropped dramatically.

Just like with the PS2's Emotion Engine, with its missing L2 cache, the Cell is designed for a type of game programming that accounts for a minor percentage of processing time.
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Wrong, the Cell will do a serious amount of processing. Oh, lets go and spend shit loads of dosh an a revolutionary new processor but we will not use it to process much! :wenger:

Then... and this is a cracker..

Bandwidth
The PS3 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and 25.6 GB/s of RDRAM bandwidth for a total system bandwidth of 48 GB/s.

The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth.

Why does the Xbox 360 have such an extreme amount of bandwidth? Even the simplest calculations show that a large amount of bandwidth is consumed by the frame buffer. For example, with simple color rendering and Z testing at 550 MHz the frame buffer alone requires 52.8 GB/s at 8 pixels per clock. The PS3's memory bandwidth is insufficient to maintain its GPU's peak rendering speed, even without texture and vertex fetches.
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No shit! 278.4GB/s of banwidth? :lol:

Yes, basically all of that bandwidth is for the frame buffer. Frame buffers are wonderful, but they are just that - drawing space. Where do the images actually come from? Yes, that's right, the 22GBs GDDR3 shared main memory bus, which you can cut down to 11GBs to start with.

I hate the internet.
 
WeasteDevil said:
You would think it would be Blu-ray, as it's cheaper than the vast majority of stand-alone players.
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I agree Weaste, the Blu-Ray player for me has been the most outstanding part of it.

But I think alot of people don't even know what a Blu-Ray player is. Most people would buy it for the gaming side of it, they probably wouldn't even be aware of the other features it has. Which is retarded I know.
 
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