Protest planned ahead of the Liverpool game

Utd heap said:
Awful, awful song.
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It is but have you ever been to Anfield and heard the songs about Munich?

I know two wrongs don't make a right, but I was in Anfield for an 3rd FA cup match in the early 60's (1962/3 we won 3-1 Warren Bradly scored two) and the Kop was singing vile songs about Munich then, way before Liverpools sorrows occurred... and they were still in the second division!

I hate all these types of chants, but it seems nothing will prevent them being sung.
 
Apart from a few idiots, it appears it was a good protest but Sky refused to cover it, the wankstains.

Fans really need to keep pushing because come next summer, these owners might really feck up the club.
 
Really impressive turnout yesterday. Unfortunately we had an electrical fault and I missed a fair chunk of the coverage but apparently Sky were poor.
Had to use Twitter and YouTube to see the full extent of it.
Great to see though. We need to keep it up, get the leeches out and Sir Jim in.
 
Hats off to everyonbe involved. Do not let these protests die. Keep it up. LUHG
 
Tommy79 said:
Err nearly 3 years on mate, but what the hell are you blaming them for ? As they don't own SKY, Comcast backers of Biden and the far left do, Sky was sold off a few years back mate.
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Sorry but the far left :lol:

Superb stuff.
 
Also, I find the Jim Ratcliffe stuff a bit unedifying.

We have no idea what his intentions are but we're practically begging him now.
 
Utd heap said:
You can't see the back of the coach until its gone past...
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You can see all the Bee shit though… and why would a Liverpool coach be going past the Tollgate?

I know it’s just crowd mentality. One hepped up guy probably started it and everyone joined in without thinking, but it’s still pretty fecking shit we threw a bunch of bottles at a United coach full of kids.

There’s a bunch of United accounts (including some of the 1958) sharing it and then failing to acknowledge any of the comments pointing this out. Ignoring it doesn’t win us anything. it just looks shitty.
 
Mockney said:
You can see all the Bee shit though… and why would a Liverpool coach be going past the Tollgate?

I know it’s just crowd mentality. One hepped up guy probably started it and everyone joined in without thinking, but it’s still pretty fecking shit we threw a bunch of bottles at a United coach full of kids. Ignoring it doesnt win us anything.
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I didn't really pay much attention at the time. Seemed like a few stray cans, pretty shit for the kids on the bus so it shouldn't have happened but it was no real drama.
 
Rightnr said:
Comcast are not that much better and the culture at Sky doesn't seem to have changed.
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I couldn't tell ya mate as got rid of them a few years backs when I got myself a high quality source of different rivers, as way too much money to be handed out only to be spoken to like a child by their news anchors and pundits.
 
The coverage has been pretty shocking tbf. We got more traction when Beckham picked up a green & gold scarf 10 years ago.

If Ronaldo is off, he could’ve won back the fanbase in a single swoop by copying it. It would at least have completed their vague career path symmetry…

Someone should get on that. And bring back the scarves. Throw one at his car or something.
 
Mockney said:
The coverage has been pretty shocking tbf. We got more traction when Beckham picked up a green & gold scarf 10 years ago.

If Ronaldo is off, he could’ve won back the fanbase in a single swoop by copying it. It would at least have completed their vague career path symmetry…

Someone should get on that. And bring back the scarves. Throw one at his car or something.
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I suppose its because that happened inside the stadium whereas this protest is outside

SKY coverage was minimal which is a shame but the likes of The Athletic and MEN had reporters there going live on Twitter - I think Talksport also had a fair amount of coverage but not the same as live TV
 
calodo2003 said:
:lol:
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Wow, you really are a great example of someone got full member status way too soon, as a lot of your posts are just emojs, or txt words, which I thought were banned on this site, but then saw your copy/paste twitter post in the russia thread where you were backing russians and when challenged on it, you refused to answer it or hmm, didnt have a clue how to.
 
Tommy79 said:
Wow, you really are a great example of someone got full member status way too soon, as a lot of your posts are just emojs, or txt words, which I thought were banned on this site, but then saw your copy/paste twitter post in the russia thread where you were backing russians and when challenged on it, you refused to answer it or hmm, didnt have a clue how to.
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I'll bite, little one.

Please direct me to said twitter post. And any txt words that I apparently use with aplomb.
 
Rood said:
I suppose its because that happened inside the stadium whereas this protest is outside
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Indeed. Which is why all the boycott stuff - as unrealistic as it is (and always was) - has at least the germ of the right idea. We need something to happen in stadium, in front of the TV cameras, that’s visibly and unavoidably embarrassing for the management as well as a mainstream show of fan solidarity… Unfortunately I can’t think what that wouldn’t be opposed by some large section of the fanbase, or isn’t just bringing back the scarves!
 
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Mockney said:
Indeed. Which is why all the boycott stuff - as unrealistic as it is (and always was) - has at least the germ of the right idea. We need something to happen in stadium, in front of the TV cameras, that’s visibly and unavoidably embarrassing for the management as well as a mainstream show of fan solidarity… Unfortunately I can’t think what that wouldn’t be opposed by some large section of the fanbase, or isn’t just bringing back the scarves!
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Something like this has been mentioned before and could be acheivable, although Im guessing there are less security searches at The Valley than Old Trafford
https://metro.co.uk/2016/04/02/angr...-owner-during-game-v-birmingham-city-5791220/
 
The fan protests were correct.
Whether the networks carry it or not is unimportant. We are not doing it for viewership.
The supporters are the club. We cannot let up. They must leave.
The FA also needs to address their decision to allow the debt. Their act of closing the barn door after the event must be scrutinized.
Though it cannot be corrected retrospectively, the Glazers must be given say two years to clear the debt or to sell the club. That way there would be parity between us and the other clubs.
MUST needs to address this legally. It is the duty of the FA to act on behalf of the Supporters not the owners.

As for the singing. FFS this goes on all the time at matches.
You would think some on here have never stood on the terraces.
 
Can I just ask what about the fans who don't want to protest and don't want their match-day's spoiled by having to fight their way into OT, or to miss half the game because others are bobbing up and down shouting "Stand up against the Glazers"? Do we have platform?

I don't doubt that the vast majority of fans are not happy with the Glazer's as owners of the club, (I'm not either) but I don't want to ruin my football day/evening etc. worrying about who owns the bloody club...! I want to see what we saw last night commitment and courage and endeavor its always been the players and manager who provide the spectacle, the magic of the 'Theatre of Dreams'....who owns the club is not important.

Manchester United is now a multi-billion pound entity and its naivety in the extreme to believe that a 'cash cow' like it now is will not fall prey to the likes of the Glazers . There is only one way to protest effectively that is to stop giving them your money, then maybe , just may be they will sell up and we can wait for the next 'carpet-bagger' owner to arrive.

In my opinion 'aggressive' protests are to be used only for something important (and then sparingly)... to protest against wars, death, disease, abject poverty, inhumanity, not against who owns a football club. Before someone tells me these are peaceful protests, I say 'pull the other one' massed crowds threatening, among other things to kill named individuals is not peaceful, at least not in my book.

Fans already have a say in the club, if they don't like it, then stop buying merchandise, stop going to games, stop supporting , quite a few did this when FC United was born.
Does anyone really believe a group of fans as dispersed, as disparate, as disagreeing over who plays for United, and in what position, on the systems of transfer (as well as the systems of play) etc. as United supporters are, could ever be involved in the direct running of the club?

I know lots of contributors on the red cafe will be mighty upset with me, call me names, 'Glazer fan -boy' (some of the more acceptable comments I'm sure), but really I am not. I have no love for the predator likes of the Glazers whatsoever, but I am old enough to realise there is 'no shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted' and when Martin Edwards turned the club from a 'family hobby' to a 'family business' that's exactly what happened... there is no going back!

(*Incidentally I am not angry with Martin Edwards, he did bring us SAF and I am sure thought he was doing the best thing at the time....but as we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions!)
 
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Maticmaker said:
Can I just ask what about the fans who don't want to protest and don't want their match-day's spoiled by having to fight their way into OT, or to miss half the game because others are bobbing up and down shouting "Stand up against the Glazers"? Do we have platform?

I don't doubt that the vast majority of fans are not happy with the Glazer's as owners of the club, (I'm not either) but I don't want to ruin my football day/evening etc. worrying about who owns the bloody club...! I want to see what we saw last night commitment and courage and endeavor its always been the players and manager who provide the spectacle, the magic of the 'Theatre of Dreams'....who owns the club is not important.

Manchester United is now a multi-billion pound entity and its naivety in the extreme to believe that a 'cash cow' like it now is will not fall prey to the likes of the Glazers . There is only one way to protest effectively that is to stop giving them your money, then maybe , just may be they will sell up and we can wait for the next 'carpet-bagger' owner to arrive.

In my opinion 'aggressive' protests are to be used only for something important (and then sparingly)... to protest against wars, death, disease, abject poverty, inhumanity, not against who owns a football club. Before someone tells me these are peaceful protests, I say 'pull the other one' massed crowds threatening, among other things to kill named individuals is not peaceful, at least not in my book.

Fans already have a say in the club, if they don't like it, then stop buying merchandise, stop going to games, stop supporting , quite a few did this when FC United was born.
Does anyone really believe a group of fans as dispersed, as disparate, as disagreeing over who plays for United, and in what position, on the systems of transfer (as well as the systems of play) etc. as United supporters are, could ever be involved in the direct running of the club?

I know lots of contributors on the red cafe will be mighty upset with me, call me names, 'Glazer fan -boy' (some of the more acceptable comments I'm sure), but really I am not. I have no love for the predator likes of the Glazers whatsoever, but I am old enough to realise there is 'no shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted' and when Martin Edwards turned the club from a 'family hobby' to a 'family business' that's exactly what happened... there is no going back!

(*Incidentally I am not angry with Martin Edwards, he did bring us SAF and I am sure thought he was doing the best thing at the time....but as we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions!)
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Firstly. Sorry that your day out was spoilt.
The fact you say you are not bothered who owns the the bloody club says a lot about you.
It is Not Your club.
If the ownership of the club was no different to any other business, the FA would not exist.
The same FA stopped future such ownership so other clubs would not have debts loaded onto the club.

I'm not upset with you for one.
You are simply ignorant of the facts.

I'm glad you enjoyed the match yesterday.
I'm sure you will be among those who enjoy The Super League too.
Lots of Galacticos playing for us, while the smaller clubs all go under.
 
Good turnout but can't really see it achieving anything given the stadium was packed. If anything the fact we won lifts some of the pressure on the glazers
 
Maticmaker said:
Can I just ask what about the fans who don't want to protest and don't want their match-day's spoiled by having to fight their way into OT, or to miss half the game because others are bobbing up and down shouting "Stand up against the Glazers"? Do we have platform?

I don't doubt that the vast majority of fans are not happy with the Glazer's as owners of the club, (I'm not either) but I don't want to ruin my football day/evening etc. worrying about who owns the bloody club...! I want to see what we saw last night commitment and courage and endeavor its always been the players and manager who provide the spectacle, the magic of the 'Theatre of Dreams'....who owns the club is not important.

Manchester United is now a multi-billion pound entity and its naivety in the extreme to believe that a 'cash cow' like it now is will not fall prey to the likes of the Glazers . There is only one way to protest effectively that is to stop giving them your money, then maybe , just may be they will sell up and we can wait for the next 'carpet-bagger' owner to arrive.

In my opinion 'aggressive' protests are to be used only for something important (and then sparingly)... to protest against wars, death, disease, abject poverty, inhumanity, not against who owns a football club. Before someone tells me these are peaceful protests, I say 'pull the other one' massed crowds threatening, among other things to kill named individuals is not peaceful, at least not in my book.

Fans already have a say in the club, if they don't like it, then stop buying merchandise, stop going to games, stop supporting , quite a few did this when FC United was born.
Does anyone really believe a group of fans as dispersed, as disparate, as disagreeing over who plays for United, and in what position, on the systems of transfer (as well as the systems of play) etc. as United supporters are, could ever be involved in the direct running of the club?

I know lots of contributors on the red cafe will be mighty upset with me, call me names, 'Glazer fan -boy' (some of the more acceptable comments I'm sure), but really I am not. I have no love for the predator likes of the Glazers whatsoever, but I am old enough to realise there is 'no shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted' and when Martin Edwards turned the club from a 'family hobby' to a 'family business' that's exactly what happened... there is no going back!

(*Incidentally I am not angry with Martin Edwards, he did bring us SAF and I am sure thought he was doing the best thing at the time....but as we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions!)
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What would a current Tory voter sound like if they were a United fan, example one.
 
Maticmaker said:
Can I just ask what about the fans who don't want to protest and don't want their match-day's spoiled by having to fight their way into OT, or to miss half the game because others are bobbing up and down shouting "Stand up against the Glazers"? Do we have platform?

I don't doubt that the vast majority of fans are not happy with the Glazer's as owners of the club, (I'm not either) but I don't want to ruin my football day/evening etc. worrying about who owns the bloody club...! I want to see what we saw last night commitment and courage and endeavor its always been the players and manager who provide the spectacle, the magic of the 'Theatre of Dreams'....who owns the club is not important.

Manchester United is now a multi-billion pound entity and its naivety in the extreme to believe that a 'cash cow' like it now is will not fall prey to the likes of the Glazers . There is only one way to protest effectively that is to stop giving them your money, then maybe , just may be they will sell up and we can wait for the next 'carpet-bagger' owner to arrive.

In my opinion 'aggressive' protests are to be used only for something important (and then sparingly)... to protest against wars, death, disease, abject poverty, inhumanity, not against who owns a football club. Before someone tells me these are peaceful protests, I say 'pull the other one' massed crowds threatening, among other things to kill named individuals is not peaceful, at least not in my book.

Fans already have a say in the club, if they don't like it, then stop buying merchandise, stop going to games, stop supporting , quite a few did this when FC United was born.
Does anyone really believe a group of fans as dispersed, as disparate, as disagreeing over who plays for United, and in what position, on the systems of transfer (as well as the systems of play) etc. as United supporters are, could ever be involved in the direct running of the club?

I know lots of contributors on the red cafe will be mighty upset with me, call me names, 'Glazer fan -boy' (some of the more acceptable comments I'm sure), but really I am not. I have no love for the predator likes of the Glazers whatsoever, but I am old enough to realise there is 'no shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted' and when Martin Edwards turned the club from a 'family hobby' to a 'family business' that's exactly what happened... there is no going back!

(*Incidentally I am not angry with Martin Edwards, he did bring us SAF and I am sure thought he was doing the best thing at the time....but as we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions!)
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Afternoon Joel mate.
 
I had talksport on earlier and they stated there's expected to be more protests, was glad that news outlets haven't brushed it under the carpet despite the result.
 
That video by Sam from United Peoples should be a TV ad playing everywhere there’s a sizeable United fanbase, and local Tampa tv - might start stirring up the Bucaneer’s fans as well when they realize how the Glazers are screwing over fans of both teams.
 
Red Dreams said:
I'm not upset with you for one.
You are simply ignorant of the facts.
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Thank you, but it is my club (since 1955/56 first game, and only time I saw Duncan Edwards , I was 9/10 years old), but ownership has never been a concern of mine, I support the club not the owners.
I accept there are a lot of things I don't know, maybe some things about the Club, but I do know that once the club was turned into a business, it was always going to attract the likes of the Glazers, or some other 'carpet-bagger' owner, a fact of life I'm afraid!
Perhaps we should be trying to (positively) persuade the Glazers to manage and run the club better, make it both a successful football club as well as a successful business... just a thought!

Protests bring 'negativity' and we have enough of that already!

Utd heap said:
Afternoon Joel mate.
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Who's Joel??? ;)

Rightnr said:
What would a current Tory voter sound like if they were a United fan, example one.
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Now then! ...no need for name calling! :smirk:
 
Ema_datsi said:
That video by Sam from United Peoples should be a TV ad playing everywhere there’s a sizeable United fanbase, and local Tampa tv - might start stirring up the Bucaneer’s fans as well when they realize how the Glazers are screwing over fans of both teams.
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Glazers are not screwing over Bucs' fans.
 
Maticmaker said:
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Thank you, but it is my club (since 1955/56 first game, and only time I saw Duncan Edwards , I was 9/10 years old), but ownership has never been a concern of mine, I support the club not the owners.
I accept there are a lot of things I don't know, maybe some things about the Club, but I do know that once the club was turned into a business, it was always going to attract the likes of the Glazers, or some other 'carpet-bagger' owner, a fact of life I'm afraid!
Perhaps we should be trying to (positively) persuade the Glazers to manage and run the club better, make it both a successful football club as well as a successful business... just a thought!

Protests bring 'negativity' and we have enough of that already!



Who's Joel??? ;)



Now then! ...no need for name calling! :smirk:
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The club that you claim to support is dying because of the ownership of the Glazers. These people do not care about football. But because they have the power, they are killing the club.
Other clubs are owned by entities that are not from the UK.
The difference is they are run as football clubs.
The fact it was turned into a PLC is not the problem.
The problem stems primarily from what the FA that was supposed to be safeguarding the interests of the supporters allowed. The saddling of the debt, which now they do not allow.
The only way to save the club so future generations can watch our club long after we are all gone, is to drive the cancer of the Glazers out.

The protests need to continue unabated.
 
There was a good turn out, I was pretty disgusted by all the "murderer's" chants. Not a great look at any point but really feels like it's undermining the cause.
 
calodo2003 said:
Glazers are not screwing over Bucs' fans.
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The Bucaneers have historically been a bottom-half franchise, so maybe their fans are ok with the crap the Glazers serve up.
But doesn’t this sound familiar?
  1. Waiting 12 years to win the Super Bowel. In 10 years, they only got to the playoffs twice (2020,2021). Glazers owned the franchise since 1995, and the team have only made 9 playoff appearances in total. Although they did win 2 Super Bowls in their 28 year ownership.
  2. Consistently being rated as a bottom half NFL franchise. Since the year 2000, they’ve mostly ranked at the bottom of their division, and the bottom half of the entire league going as low as 30th out of 32 teams. In terms of win-record since 2000, they are 22nd out of 32 teams. One complaint that Bucaneers fans have is that MUFC took away the Glazer’s attention. From 1995 to 2004 (excluding 2002 when they won the Super Bowl), their average win rate was 51%, but from 2005 to 2019 it dropped to 40%. It goes down to 34% from 2013 to 2019. There are other factors like the 2008 Financial crisis and the impact (good or bad) it had on how much money they took or put into from the franchise but things were hardly rosey for MUFC post-SAF. For MUFC it’s been a sad tale of poor mismanagement (underinvestments followed by panicking buying) by a bunch of arrogant jerk-offs. For the Bucaneers, it’s probably one of neglect.
  3. Glazer family heavily involved in coach recruitment. 5 different head coaches in 10 years. The average NFL head coach’s tenure is a little over 4 years. Guess they don’t need an American Woodward to make those decisions (unless they do but keep him hidden).
  4. Joel, the front man for their family, hardly responding to fans or the media. They are very known to be opaque in their dealings with fans.
 
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