Protest at Old Trafford

DarkDog said:


I don't always enjoy watching Kaveh Solhekol, but some of our fans must have got him and explained how things are in the world
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Interesting that and Pete Boyle on talking about it earlier. Clearly all on the back of the absolute shite Souness was spouting yesterday. Someone must have a word with the sky producers.
 
Theres no danger of points deduction? I guess sport bible is speaking shit as per usual?
 
Disgusting seeing all the justifications for violence against the non-violent protestors, who the vast majority of fans out yesterday were.
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The media needed a narrative, they needed to paint the fans as the villains. Even some posters on here restored to that. When you have a protest where thousands of people attend, you will always get the odd morons looking to cause trouble. However, as we know the police are no angels either. This is now the second of such videos where you clearly see they contributed towards the situation. In large the protest yesterday was peaceful and carried our respectively. You had two idiots on Sky clearly trying to paint the whole fanbase as criminals and lose sight of what the purpose of this is all about. This is not just about the ESL. This is about the fans finding a voice and taking a stand against the blood sucking leaches that have taken all this money out of the club and not putting anything of their own back in.

I am proud all the fans who attended yesterday, and I am proud to be a Utd fan. However, this does not stop. We must not stop. This is just the beginning. The Glazers got caught with their hand in the cookie jar with the ESL, and we need to chop their hands off, and get rid of them.
#GlazersOut
 
red4ever 79 said:
The media needed a narrative, they needed to paint the fans as the villains. Even some posters on here restored to that. When you have a protest where thousands of people attend, you will always get the odd morons looking to cause trouble. However, as we know the police are no angels either. This is now the second of such videos where you clearly see they contributed towards the situation. In large the protest yesterday was peaceful and carried our respectively. You had two idiots on Sky clearly trying to paint the whole fanbase as criminals and lose sight of what the purpose of this is all about. This is not just about the ESL. This is about the fans finding a voice and taking a stand against the blood sucking leaches that have taken all this money out of the club and not putting anything of their own back in.

I am proud all the fans who attended yesterday, and I am proud to be a Utd fan. However, this does not stop. We must not stop. This is just the beginning. The Glazers got caught with their hand in the cookie jar with the ESL, and we need to chop their hands off, and get rid of them.
#GlazersOut
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Amen. Next we should go with a social media boycott. A mass unfollowing on instagram for example would make the news and tickle the pockets.
 
Roboc7 said:
No you can have an opinion I just knew you were someone who watches on tv, that explains a lot of what your saying and why. You come across like someone who’s never been to a game and doesn’t understand what it means to people that do. You don’t understand the reality of attending a game, during, before or after and the good and bad. It’s not a criticism just explains a lot.

Don’t have to go to games to be a fan so you can forget the poor me attitude, but like I say you keep watching whilst advocating not watching, you’ll really hurt the Glazers.
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I've been to OT. Swing and a miss.
 
Withnail said:
This is what you think will be more effective than getting actual people on the streets disrupting matches?

It's so far from a realistic proposal I'm baffled you put it into words and posted it.

You're living in a fantasy land if you think it's possible to reach millions of football watching fans around the world and convince them not to watch United games.

Please tell me I've misinterpreted you because that is nuts.
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So the not nuts solution is for 200 fans to disrupt every game at OT until it's postponed.

Right and I'm the one living in a fantasy land...
 
big rons sovereign said:
You're just being facetious now.
Nothing was ever achieved by sitting and doing nothing.
How did the suffragette movement work?
How was the poll tax stopped twice?
It wasn't by refusing to do anything that's for sure.
The whole world was watching yesterday and the whole world saw the message.

How many saw you refusing to watch?
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What message was this?
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
I've been to OT. Swing and a miss.
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Unlikely, if you ever go I’m sure it’d be a one off as you wouldn’t be able to cope with the ‘thugs’ you label fans. Stick to saying you support not watching the games on tv whilst watching them. What a show of defiance.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
So the not nuts solution is for 200 fans to disrupt every game at OT until it's postponed.

Right and I'm the one living in a fantasy land...
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The thing i struggle with here is that the only way to get the Glazers out is to make it financially non-viable for them to continue owning the club. I think we all agree with this premise. We can't ask them nicely, we can't sway them with rhetoric and we can't afford to buy them out.

So, in order to do that we have to affect their revenue stream.

You realistically won't be able to withdraw matchday support, because there will always be someone who just wants to be entertained and doesn't care about the bigger picture. They will attend the game and buy a dinky toy from the mega store as a souvenir.

How else can you impact them?

The alternative is to do nothing and accept that its no longer a club for the fans but an international media plaything. You could argue that the ship has sailed and this has already happened.

I would then say what is the greater injustice? A few yanks ripping our a social pillar of the community or a couple hundred lads postponing the game? If the club has already gone, then what further damage can you do? If it hasn't, then how else do you expect to enact change?

The glazers made the first move and committed the first social injustice. The rest is just a domino effect.

My own personal feeling is that you can't really go back now. We have to keep pushing on, if we fail then I guess we disperse to whatever club is secondarily relevant to us or stop following football in the same way.

In the last 15 years the whole football game has changed
 
Withnail said:
There's a video of the door being kicked in.
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There is indeed, every story needs an element of truth. Where's the proof for the first part which is the main crux of the story and the way the majority of supporters got in?
 
Roboc7 said:
Unlikely, if you ever go I’m sure it’d be a one off as you wouldn’t be able to cope with the ‘thugs’ you label fans. Stick to saying you support not watching the games on tv whilst watching them. What a show of defiance.
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Nah mate, can barely afford the ticket prices but lucky you that you can. Loved every second of my visit to OT. But again, well done, you can afford to go so must be a better "fan".

Guess all those millions of fans we have globally, who adore the club, are worse fans than you because you go to the ground to watch.

So arrogant.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
We don't like our owners? Our fan base are willing to break into OT because they no longer want their owners? There's too much money in football?

What happens next? They take that message and........break into their teams stadium?
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You're being facetious again, I refuse to believe that you're missing the point so glaringly.
Everyone and their dog knows what the protest is about.
Are you the only one that doesn't?
A few breaking into the stadium isn't pretty, but it's bound to have got their attention.
You can throw whataboutery all you want but I suspect you're deliberately ignoring the bigger picture.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Nah mate, can barely afford the ticket prices but lucky you that you can. Loved every second of my visit to OT. But again, well done, you can afford to go so must be a better "fan".

Guess all those millions of fans we have globally, who adore the club, are worse fans than you because you go to the ground to watch.

So arrogant.
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Get off your soap box and stop peddling nonsense I haven’t even said, talk about chip on your shoulder. Go back to patronising others while you do your non existent one man protest.

You don’t represent global fans or speak for them, even though that may shock you. Lots of them understand but you don’t, that’s what we talking about you, not millions of people who are nothing like you.
 
pascell said:
Apparently round 2 15th/16th May
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Has that been announced? Or you're just saying what the likely date is like others have?

The club and police will have a massive exclusion zone around it next time round. No-one will get within 1/4mile.
 
big rons sovereign said:
You're being facetious again, I refuse to believe that you're missing the point so glaringly.
Everyone and their dog knows what the protest is about.
Are you the only one that doesn't?
A few breaking into the stadium isn't pretty, but it's bound to have got their attention.
You can throw whataboutery all you want but I suspect you're deliberately ignoring the bigger picture.
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Ok so they know what it is about.

What happens now. People now know what the protest is about. What next?
 
Roboc7 said:
Get off your soap box and stop peddling nonsense I haven’t even said, talk about chip on your shoulder. Go back to patronising others while you do your non existent one man protest.

You don’t represent global fans or speak for them, even though that may shock you. Lots of them understand but you don’t, that’s what we talking about you, not millions of people who are nothing like you.
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You're talking about yourself.

All I am saying is that if we want the Glazer ownership gone, then this type of protest won't work.
 
big rons sovereign said:
Seriously?
We're going round in circles.
Are you Joel or Avi?
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So you have no answer. Protest happened, game was postponed, security guard was assaulted and the effect of this protest was....people will know about the protest and the message.

The message being, United dislike their owners. Great. Now what?
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Nah mate, can barely afford the ticket prices but lucky you that you can. Loved every second of my visit to OT. But again, well done, you can afford to go so must be a better "fan".

Guess all those millions of fans we have globally, who adore the club, are worse fans than you because you go to the ground to watch.

So arrogant.
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This anti-matchgoing support rhetoric really winds me up.

Let's look at this from the other angle and I'll do so using my own personal experience so you don't get offended as a non match going supporter.

I live in the UK and watch Orlando City in the MLS. I first saw them play in 2010 long before they became an MLS club. Since then I go to on average one game a season but I stay up to watch every match online with most games kicking off around 12:30am UK time.

Why the feck should my opinion on anything to do with the club be as important as one of their season ticket holders? I would never dream that my view on anything to do with the club is as important to the owners as those who go every week, those who follow them thousands of miles across the US or even those who only attend 5-6 matches a season? I am - quite rightly - at the bottom of the pile in importance of support to the club.

They are far more important supporters to Orlando City than I am, and yes quite frankly; they are definitely "better" supporters than I am because they are there week in week out and trying to pretend otherwise would be incredibly arrogant of me.
 
Marching said:
He should have moved.
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I get that pragmatically he perhaps should have but if that is the end result of acting peacefully at a protest it does somewhat beg a question don't you think?
Are we really arguing that a 50 year old overweight guy being shoved to the road for standing his ground was ok?
 
JB7 said:
This anti-matchgoing support rhetoric really winds me up.

Let's look at this from the other angle and I'll do so using my own personal experience so you don't get offended as a non match going supporter.

I live in the UK and watch Orlando City in the MLS. I first saw them play in 2010 long before they became an MLS club. Since then I go to on average one game a season but I stay up to watch every match online with most games kicking off around 12:30am UK time.

Why the feck should my opinion on anything to do with the club be as important as one of their season ticket holders? I would never dream that my view on anything to do with the club is as important to the owners as those who go every week, those who follow them thousands of miles across the US or even those who only attend 5-6 matches a season? I am - quite rightly - at the bottom of the pile in importance of support to the club.

They are far more important supporters to Orlando City than I am, and yes quite frankly; they are definitely "better" supporters than I am because they are there week in week out and trying to pretend otherwise would be incredibly arrogant of me.
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Why are you tiering fan importance? Based on whether someone can afford to go the game? You're reducing your own voice. How strange.
 
JB7 said:
This anti-matchgoing support rhetoric really winds me up.

Let's look at this from the other angle and I'll do so using my own personal experience so you don't get offended as a non match going supporter.

I live in the UK and watch Orlando City in the MLS. I first saw them play in 2010 long before they became an MLS club. Since then I go to on average one game a season but I stay up to watch every match online with most games kicking off around 12:30am UK time.

Why the feck should my opinion on anything to do with the club be as important as one of their season ticket holders? I would never dream that my view on anything to do with the club is as important to the owners as those who go every week, those who follow them thousands of miles across the US or even those who only attend 5-6 matches a season? I am - quite rightly - at the bottom of the pile in importance of support to the club.

They are far more important supporters to Orlando City than I am, and yes quite frankly; they are definitely "better" supporters than I am because they are there week in week out and trying to pretend otherwise would be incredibly arrogant of me.
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interesting take on it. Your pretty brave to articulate it on this forum! But it’s true.

who is more important a fan that is a season ticket holder and goes to most games, paying £2/3k per season for the privilege.

Or one that watches streams of matches and never visits the club? That’s not to say all fans aren’t important, but clearly some are more important than others.
 
big rons sovereign said:
Seriously?
We're going round in circles.
Are you Joel or Avi?
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No but he preaches not watching games as the solution even though he doesn’t put it into practice himself so he’s clearly not as qualified as he thinks to pass judgement on everyone else.
 
Haven’t checked the news or anything today, but I’ve just gone past Tottenham’s stadium and there is a group of 10 or so lads who have somehow climbed up and are near the roof. Think they are chanting something.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
I get that pragmatically he perhaps should have but if that is the end result of acting peacefully at a protest it does somewhat beg a question don't you think?
Are we really arguing that a 50 year old overweight guy being shoved to the road for standing his ground was ok?
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Unfortunately when you've got a mob, some of them acting up, getting mouthy, throwing the odd thing, the police have to do one hard and fast line.
It's inevitable some "innocents" will get caught up in it.
He didn't need to be there, and he didn't need to openly defy their advance, arms folded, I'm not moving etc.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
interesting take on it. Your pretty brave to articulate it on this forum! But it’s true.

who is more important a fan that is a season ticket holder and goes to most games, paying £2/3k per season for the privilege.

Or one that watches streams of matches and never visits the club? That’s not to say all fans aren’t important, but clearly some are more important than others.
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Yeah, I totally agree with that. Local supporters are a part of the club and one of the reason I got drawn in as a kid. So much more should be done for them and the local community, things like atmosphere in the stadium and gathering more of the passionate fans together to create an amazing vibe for every home game.

The local community are at the core of the football club.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
You're talking about yourself.

All I am saying is that if we want the Glazer ownership gone, then this type of protest won't work.
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But you saying you won’t watch games on tv even though you do will make all the difference.

We need you out there spreading your message, social media, tv, anything and everything. Forget what happened yesterday you might not watch the game on Thursday, Glazers are good as gone.
 
Pickle85 said:
No offense, but this is oversimplified and plain wrong. If you really believe that policing is just about guarding the interests of a ruling elite alone then you're both stupid and paranoid. There's absolutely nothing to be gained by tarring all police with the 'corrupt and cowardly' brush.
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Individual police may not look at it that way, but police as an institution (and pretty much the entire legal system) is set up to protect the rich and their property, above the middle class and their property, ahead of the poor and what property they manage to have. The richer and more powerful you are, the more you will be protected.
 
Roboc7 said:
But you saying you won’t watch games on tv even though you do will make all the difference.

We need you out there spreading your message, social media, tv, anything and everything. Forget what happened yesterday you might not watch the game on Thursday, Glazers are good as gone.
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Now who is being facetious?
 
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