Potential Ten Hag XI's

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A couple of £40-60m along with a few cheaper, clever buys would be fine.

I honestly think we need to be staying away from the £100m and above signings for a few years though.

I like Rice and think he's a fine player, but we need to change the mindset and perception at United.

That and the fact that no DM is worth £100m. I don't care if they're cloned from the DNA of Duncan Edwards, Frank Rijkaard and Claude Makelele.
 
diarm said:
A couple of £40-60m along with a few cheaper, clever buys would be fine.

I honestly think we need to be staying away from the £100m and above signings for a few years though.

I like Rice and think he's a fine player, but we need to change the mindset and perception at United.

That and the fact that no DM is worth £100m. I don't care if they're cloned from the DNA of Duncan Edwards, Frank Rijkaard and Claude Makelele.
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The problem I have is that it seems players of a far lower quality are being marketed at like £70/80m. If it's a question of buying a world class player for £100m or a good player for £60m, I'd rather the aforementioned tbh, at least in dm where we have been so lacking for so long. If we could get good players for £30m or on frees I would agree with your strategy. Whether he would be a starter or a backup, Kamara on a free just seems like a really logical 1st signing. He could even move into the back 4 if needs be.
 
devilish said:
Grant will retire, Matic, Mata, Lingard, Pogba, Ronaldo and Cavani will leave and United will be actively seeking buyers for the likes of Pellistri, Martial, Henderson and Bailly. Most of the players I mentioned will be on far less salary then these guys. Another player who might interest ETH is Edson Alvarez and Neves. It would be one between these guys and Tielemans of course.
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The following will definitely leave:

Pogba
Lingard
Cavani
Mata
Pierrea
Grant
Jones

Following should leave:

Henderson
Bailey
Martial
Williams
Tzunzabe
Wan Bissaka
Ronaldo
Greenwood

We should generate 100m from that lot, not to mention the 100m pa we pay them in wages. Promote 3 or 4 from youth team and sign maybe 4 players that Ten Hag wants and we are off to a good start.

If we don't have that mass clear out, I will start to worry.
 
I’d be surprised if we bring in more than 3 new players in this summer’s window.
It might only be two (but I hope not).
The new manager will want time to assess the players he’s been advised are worth keeping and those who are marginal.
With the number of players leaving at the end of their contracts, plus Matic who’s only got one more year to go and may also leave, I can’t see the club letting too many others go all at once.
Donny and Garner will be back, but we need to find that experienced or up and coming DM, plus at least one striker.
 
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Would he do a pep and try sancho in a 3 man midfield in the same way pep uses the more technically gifted wingers in midfield like grealish?
 
I think we’ll spend big but on a lot of less obvious targets. Players that fit the ten hag mould and can help him play the way he wants to but not necessarily worldies and all on sensible wages. GK, CB, CM, RB, RW, CF average £30m a pop = £180m
 
Lee565 said:
Would he do a pep and try sancho in a 3 man midfield in the same way pep uses the more technically gifted wingers in midfield like grealish?
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Don't think we have the luxury to do something like that considering how weak we are on the wings
 
In previous summers we've tended to target (though often not actually secure) four signings. I'd imagine it will be the same this summer, though hopefully we actually secure the full four this time. I certainly wouldn't expect more than that.
 
De Gea/Johnstone

Garnacho Varane Lindelof Telles

Rice Fred

Antony Fernandes Sancho

Nunez
 
United under glazer never signed more than 3 players/year, so will be more or less the same players of this season

Ronaldo

Bruno Sancho

McTominay Fred

Ruben neves

Shaw Maguire Varane Bissaka

De gea​
 
Moriarty said:
EL final v Ajax 5 years ago.
City away 4 years ago.
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Dazzmondo said:
The problem I have is that it seems players of a far lower quality are being marketed at like £70/80m. If it's a question of buying a world class player for £100m or a good player for £60m, I'd rather the aforementioned tbh, at least in dm where we have been so lacking for so long. If we could get good players for £30m or on frees I would agree with your strategy. Whether he would be a starter or a backup, Kamara on a free just seems like a really logical 1st signing. He could even move into the back 4 if needs be.
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Did anyone pay 100m for Kante, Rodri, Fernandihno? Do your homework and you can find a quality MF that suits your style. Pay top dollar base on who you know on TV, you end up with Sanchez, Maguire, Martial, AWB. Or worse, Schederlin, Darmain, Blind and Rojo, who are never fit for EPL games.
 
::sonny:: said:
United under glazer never signed more than 3 players/year, so will be more or less the same players of this season

Ronaldo

Bruno Sancho

McTominay Fred

Ruben neves

Shaw Maguire Varane Bissaka

De gea​
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Definitely, we are signing a striker and atleast one midfielder.
 
Getting the DM signing right is essential if we want next season to go smoothly. I hope it's not Phillips.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Don't think we have the luxury to do something like that considering how weak we are on the wings
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I could see him using Sancho like he uses Berghuis, and then using Bruno like he uses Ziyech or uses Tadic. Ziyech and Bruno are similar in their on ball mentalities.
 
Dazzmondo said:
If we were to use the current squad and players I expect to return from loan and be a part of the squad next season it actually doesn't look as bad as I initially feared, especially considering ETH doesn't rotate much.


1st XI:

De Gea

Dalot Lindelof Varane Shaw

McTominay
Fernandes Van De Beek

Sancho Ronaldo Rashford
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Backup:

Heaton

Laird Maguire Jones Telles

Garner
Fred Hannibal

Diallo Martial Elanga
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The only player in the First XI that absolutely couldn't work in ETH's team is McTominay. Rashford could potentially rediscover his form, even if it looks unlikely right now. I'd say Martial would be acceptable cover for the striker and lw, unlikely he would play much and we probably won't be able to sell him anyway. The biggest demand probably comes on whether VDB can perform, but having a player that already understands Ten Hag's system could be very useful, especially at the start when the others are trying to learn it from scratch. If he can't perform, Fred is a decent alternative. I also think rb is very weak and AWB serves literally no purpose, to the point where Laird could jump ahead of him in the pecking order by default, or perhaps we could shift Lindelof out there occasionally to play the role in a similar way to how Blind plays lb, allowing Shaw to push further forward in these games. If the players can adapt it actually might be more realistic to get a Declan Rice than I originally thought. Despite what Moyes said, I think West Ham would probably accept £100m or maybe slightly over it. Because we probably can't just gamble on Rashford becoming the player he was, I'd imagine we'll need some sort of winger, whether it's on the right or left wing. Ronaldo is 100% staying imo so I don't know about the idea of a new striker coming in. I doubt ETH would play a 2 striker system considering our squad and I also don't think he would drop Ronaldo. When I see the main link being to Nunez for like €80m right after he scored against Liverpool and got people talking I'm kinda sceptical also. I know Rangnick wants a new forward, but I'm not as sure how big a priority it will be for ETH. I expect it would be at least 3rd behind dm and winger.
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Not so sure. Rashford was was never a high level all round player. Even his 'form' is having balls played in behind to a sea of open space. I absolutely do not feel confident in anyone adapting but Sancho. He's the only one who has an actual track record. The rest are results through chaos types. Selfish inefficient types who thrived on the freedom of punting the air out of the ball.

This is important so we don't grill ETH for not getting the most of the wrong players when 1 or 2 big squad names inevitably fail. Fit is now as important as quality.
 
I agree with most of you that we should look for good value for the money in the market, we need at least 3-4 first teamers.
That being said someone like Rice would immediately transform our team. If there are better options for half the money that is great, I do not follow a lot of football outside United and the PL these days. But this is the position we need to get right this summer.
 
Cnaiür urs Skiötha said:
I agree with most of you that we should look for good value for the money in the market, we need at least 3-4 first teamers.
That being said someone like Rice would immediately transform our team. If there are better options for half the money that is great, I do not follow a lot of football outside United and the PL these days. But this is the position we need to get right this summer.
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We should get Kamara on a free and Rice/TchouamenI/Or someone else.

Kamara could do well in that role too and will cost us nothing and doubt he will require massive wages. We need ideally 2 players for the role
 
Banana Republic said:
I’d be surprised if we bring in more than 3 new players in this summer’s window.
It might only be two (but I hope not).
The new manager will want time to assess the players he’s been advised are worth keeping and those who are marginal.
With the number of players leaving at the end of their contracts, plus Matic who’s only got one more year to go and may also leave, I can’t see the club letting too many others go all at once.
Donny and Garner will be back, but we need to find that experienced or up and coming DM, plus at least one striker.
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Im not sure about that. I think we’ll get at least 4 in judging by previous summers when we failed to make the champions league. Especially in a summer where we are going to see a lot of outgoings
 
We could actually get more players in if our managers would stop going full numpty and blowing their first summer window on statement signings everyone eventually regrets. I mean 150m in one summer could do a lot if you don't blow it on Maguire and AWB.
 
diarm said:
A couple of £40-60m along with a few cheaper, clever buys would be fine.

I honestly think we need to be staying away from the £100m and above signings for a few years though.

I like Rice and think he's a fine player, but we need to change the mindset and perception at United.

That and the fact that no DM is worth £100m. I don't care if they're cloned from the DNA of Duncan Edwards, Frank Rijkaard and Claude Makelele.
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You've never paid 100M for a player ever.
 
The Boy said:
You've never paid 100M for a player ever.
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No, but look at all the nonsense and pressure that has come with signings anywhere close to that amount - Pogba, Maguire, Sancho, Lukaku.
 
Henderson
New RB - Varane -- Maguire - Shaw
New DM
Bruno --- Fred
False 9
Sancho -------------------------- Ronaldo
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If Ronaldo stays, I see something like this happening. From looking over EtH's history with players, he seems far too switched on to continue with the ridiculousness of Ronaldo playing through the middle on his own and would likely adapt to play a system that would enable him to find more space on the pitch rather than casting him aside. Coming in from the left has been Ronaldo's preferred way of playing for what, 12/13 years at this point & even now he often pulls out to the left to get involved more, the issue we have currently is when he does that the other players look at him as if he's crazy rather than taking up the space left centrally. I find the recent links to Nkunku very interesting that in that regard, he's a player I think would link up and interchange with Ronaldo very well as his tendencies are similar with regards pulling out towards the left and looking to play his way into the box, but different enough that they shouldn't be treading on one another toes. With Shaw pushing up high you've got the potential for very neat triangular play in that inside left area, which again is something we know EtH likes to utilise. On the other side, if you prioritise a high energy right back as a signing, you've got the same thing going on on that side with the right back, Sancho and Bruno.

I don't see us going crazy and bringing in 5 or 6 players immediately, I think 3 first teamers is logical and if we were keeping it to 3 then those are the three areas I'd be looking at first.
 
Sancho——New ST——New RW
———————Bruno——————
———New DM——New CM——
Shaw—Varane—Timber—Dalot
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New ST: Nkunku/Nunez
New RW: Antony/Raphina
New DM: Tchouameni/Rice/Phillips
New CM: Neves or try Mejbri/Garner there
 
Banana Republic said:
I’d be surprised if we bring in more than 3 new players in this summer’s window.
It might only be two (but I hope not).
The new manager will want time to assess the players he’s been advised are worth keeping and those who are marginal.
With the number of players leaving at the end of their contracts, plus Matic who’s only got one more year to go and may also leave, I can’t see the club letting too many others go all at once.
Donny and Garner will be back, but we need to find that experienced or up and coming DM, plus at least one striker.
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I tend to agree with this but the problem is we have so many players leaving this summer also. If we lose/get rid of 7or8 players and only sign 2or3 there’ll be a shortage in the squad, I hope a few of the young players are given a chance.
 
I can't help but look at these lineups and think these are the lineups that person wants, but has absolutely nothing to do with ten hag and his style of football.
 
New GK

New LB/Shaw
Varane
Lindelöf
New RB

New DM

Fred
Bruno

Sancho
New 9/Ronaldo
New RW/Elanga/Rashford

According to others he'll build towards a 4-1-4-1 type formation but he's played with other styles so we'll see what direction goes in with United as he'll have more money but a more challenging coaching experience.

The first day of the 2022 season I still expect the team to be disjointed but hopefully with a couple of fresh faces.
 
RedRob said:
Is anyone else a little concerned about these constant reports of Ten Hag being "loyal" to his players? Isn't that exactly what we got frustrated at Ole for?
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For every report about being loyal to his players, I'm seeing just as much about him wanting control and him not being satisfied with the level of our players. Truth is it's all waffle until he joins.
 
Most of the XIs look underwhelming. The market doesn't look quite as exciting as it used to be.

Even with 200m or so, can't realistically think of an XI that looks much better than the ones we could field with our current squad.
 
cyril C said:
Did anyone pay 100m for Kante, Rodri, Fernandihno? Do your homework and you can find a quality MF that suits your style. Pay top dollar base on who you know on TV, you end up with Sanchez, Maguire, Martial, AWB. Or worse, Schederlin, Darmain, Blind and Rojo, who are never fit for EPL games.
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Rodri was already a star at Atletico and cost £60m so that's not a good example. I'd be very happy for us to sign players like Kante or Fernandinho for £30m. The problem is, the players we're being linked with that realistically should cost £30-40m, the likes of Antony, Timber, Nunez are instead being valued at £60-80m. They're not good enough to warrant those prices and would be more akin to us paying £78m for Maguire who was never more than a good cb and always a ridiculous investment. Similarly AWB cost £50m which was always extremely high for the level he was at when we signed him and I would siuggest that sort of deal is much more similar to paying £50-60m for the likes of Timber or Antony. Martial wasn't particularly well known when we signed him which was a major reason why the price we paid was mocked so much as opposed to AWB who nobody batted an eye at because he was English and had performed in the PL. VVD was an example of a big money move for a top player that did work out, £76m when he was 25. The most important thing imo is getting the age profile of player right. Ibrahimovic is the only recent example I can think of us signing a player either close to or over the age of 30 that worked out. I think we need a lot more players in the 22-25 age bracket. This is generally the age range that Liverpool have targeted and it has worked out really well for them. It would also mean not splashing £35m on the likes of Amad Diallo who hadn't even played any significant minutes for Atalanta when we signed him. If we can get players in this age range for £30-40m I'm all for it, £60-100m less so unless they are already world class or close to that level such as Rice, Tchouaméni and Nkunku. Not sure what the point of you listing the last 4 was as if anything they would be examples of how signing decent/average players for around £30-40m can go badly, to which you could more in the current squad also.
 
Greck said:
Not so sure. Rashford was was never a high level all round player. Even his 'form' is having balls played in behind to a sea of open space. I absolutely do not feel confident in anyone adapting but Sancho. He's the only one who has an actual track record. The rest are results through chaos types. Selfish inefficient types who thrived on the freedom of punting the air out of the ball.

This is important so we don't grill ETH for not getting the most of the wrong players when 1 or 2 big squad names inevitably fail. Fit is now as important as quality.
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Ya don't get me wrong, I think we needed a new winger badly, I'd only consider dm as more urgent. Maybe you're right about Rashford. He's always been an excellent dribbler but perhaps his passing is a bit below par. A shame Raphinha seems to be headed to Barca since he would have been perfect and a reasonable price imo.
 
There is no way that Declan Rice will sign for United. With Fernandinho leaving, rice would be mad to not go to City.
 
PeteManic said:
There is no way that Declan Rice will sign for United. With Fernandinho leaving, rice would be mad to not go to City.
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Yes, they badly need to spend £100m on replacing a player with a grand total of 604 minutes played in the league this season.
 
---------------Henderson
RB-----Lindelof--Varane--Shaw
-----------------Kamara
---------Bruno----------Kovacic
--Antony-----Nunez-----Sancho

We obviously wont get Kovacic, but that's the type of CM we should target. A mobile and creative playmaker, a proper #8.
 
I have concerns over the fact he needed to buy a new keeper for his team this season, just for distribution. He is going to need to do major surgery on this squad to get it up to his needs (assuming he lasts long enough to get there). De Gea will be another casualty which just increases the amount of signings he's gonna need (unless he likes Dean Henderson a lot).

I think next season is going to be very painful for us. Perhaps as painful as this season. People say they will give him time if they see progress but in my opinion if we don't do so well people will quickly lose patience. It's hard to see progress if you aren't getting the results.

I still think he's the best chance we've got. I just hope the club back him because it shouldn't really be a 5 year rebuild considering we expecting to start challenging last summer after bringing in Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo. It's such a shame we've had Rashford fall completely out of form, and then lose Greenwood as well which was such a setback.
 
Bringing in Mazraoui, Timber and Antony along from Ajax along with Rice and Kamara fixes virtually every problem in the squad and maybe Johnstone and Eriksen on frees then that can be balanced out with the outgoings of Henderson, Dalot, Bailly, Jones, Tuanzebe, Williams, Matic, Pereira, Pogba, Mata, Lingard, Cavani and Martial.

Promoting Laird, Mengi, Garner, Mejbri and Shoretire to the first team packs out the squad although we would still have the uncertainty over Greenwood and also Ronaldo as first choice striker which unless someone offers the wages he’d want I don’t see being resolved til summer of 2023.

A starting eleven of De Gea, Mazraoui, Varane, Timber, Shaw, McTominay, Rice, Fernandes, Antony, Ronaldo, Sancho is a lot more balanced and hardworking than we currently have with Johnstone, AWB, Lindelof, Maguire, Mengi, Telles, Kamara, Fred, Garner, Mejbri, VDB, Eriksen, I’ll include Greenwood as things stand, Rashford, Shoretire and Elanga all in reserve.
 
Ramshock said:
Can we come up with some good youth centred teams that Ten Hag, should they actually fckin hire him, could field that would actually be competitive enough to get into the CL? We can assume he will want one or two players from Ajax so I myself will be using Timber and Antony.


Try to pick at least 1 up and coming academy star in your first XI

This is the kind of line up I would predict Ten Hag to pick.

Obviously there would be restrictions like current pre Ten Hag United targets and the fact that a few
of Ten Hags best players at Ajax in Mazraoui and Gravenberch seemingly already on their way to Barca or Bayern.

Ive selected Henderson because Ajax and ETH were after him in the last transfer window but I wouldnt be surprised
if Dave keeps his place as he usually seems to do.




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To me the full backs are still not up to quality but I think he would pick the two best players on the ball. I cannot see him liking Shaw or AWB at all.
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Why “youth centred“?
 
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