Potential RB Options

MattofManchester said:
Williams or recall Dalot.

That's money that can be spent in other positions.
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And what impression do you have that any of them are even good enough as back ups? Dalot is yet to start a Serie A game been only a perennial back up at best at Milan and Williams is just so painfully average Ole preferring to use Lindelof/Axel at RB should tell you everything.
Having good back ups is almost as important as having a quality starter look at the healthy dynamic we have with Shaw/Telles we need something similar at RB
 
SadlerMUFC said:
I'd like to see what happens if James was converted to a RB. He has the fitness and the speed, and his offensive output is better than AWB. Could be a good way to enhance his career...
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Not sure if serious?

I know people like to change peoples positions on this forum but this would be the best(worst) of them all.
 
I don't understand why Williams hasn't gotten more game time there. Ole trusted him in far more important games at left back.
 
NoPace said:
Mazraouai often looked like the weakest player when Ajax made their run (was 21 or 22), but I watched them, must have been against Liverpool or Atalanta and he looked fantastic. Really aggressive. I wonder if he's made a leap.
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he has improved a lot defensively. You have to remember he started a midfielder and Ajax were forced to use him as a right back. He looked shaky defensively but has improved a lot defns
 
Adnan said:
The best loan would be at a club where he would get regular minutes. And the EPL would be the preference for obvious reasons. But if that's not possible then I'd personally hope he goes abroad, which could potentially open him up-to different tactical setups which in theory would be really good for him.
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Are there any PL teams that he could get regular games at?
 
Having Lamptey and AWB would be amazing. One of the best defensive RBs in the league and one of the best attacking RBs.
 
Devil may care said:
Are there any PL teams that he could get regular games at?
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Not sure mate, but it would be good for him to play under a coach that sacrifices defensive stability for goals. So under a Potter, Rodgers or Hassenhuttl etc would be my choice.
 
RkkMan said:
And what impression do you have that any of them are even good enough as back ups? Dalot is yet to start a Serie A game been only a perennial back up at best at Milan and Williams is just so painfully average Ole preferring to use Lindelof/Axel at RB should tell you everything.
Having good back ups is almost as important as having a quality starter look at the healthy dynamic we have with Shaw/Telles we need something similar at RB
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didnt he start against Genoa this month? - made 3 subs appearences and been on the bench for all other games except the 1st game of the season
Hes also started 6 europa league games (celtic Lille and sparta prague - scored once and assisted twice)
 
sun_tzu said:
didnt he start against Genoa this month? - made 3 subs appearences and been on the bench for all other games except the 1st game of the season
Hes also started 6 europa league games (celtic Lille and sparta prague - scored once and assisted twice)
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He's still only 21 and maybe I'm too into the idea that taller players often need time to develop, but he was a highly rated prospect for a reason and he fits perfectly tactically as the challenger/backup/RWB option 2nd on the depth chart after Wan-Bissaka, but I think the obvious solution here if we do go for Trippier is to loan Dalot out for another year or even 2 to some team that has to use him at RB/RWB slightly lower down the table than fecking AC Milan (though 6 Europa league games isn't nothing it's not been a disaster loan) in Spain, Italy or here and hope he can take over in 2 years.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
I'd like to see what happens if James was converted to a RB. He has the fitness and the speed, and his offensive output is better than AWB. Could be a good way to enhance his career...
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Fred Left Back
Matic Centre Back
Dan James Right Back

Caf logic
 
Nickosaur said:
Having Lamptey and AWB would be amazing. One of the best defensive RBs in the league and one of the best attacking RBs.
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Exactly. I'm not particularly sure about Lamptey, Aaron's or an Older RB yet - however,
alot of fans will say " well Wan Bissaka isnt a good defensive RB he is only a good 1vs1 fullback"; it's not like the list is great and You can see why Ole went for Wan Bissaka as his defensive choice as a talent to try keep wingers quiet and coach the player in to a better player whilst Ole clearly wanted a defensive fullback on the right hand side competing with an attacking one all this whilst like we have seen emerge in the left hand side aswell.

What has happened to Shaw during this season is bloody magnificent coaching. The guy is much more a complete player all of a sudden after near 4-5 years from having a player he can learn from.

Is Lamptey really better than Aaron's?
 
starting to think this is our problem position in many ways

AWB's output is terrible and if anything has declined this season based on the eye test.

Tonight again in a tight game he offered nothing. Tuanzebe actually looked better there against Everton in the Cup.

Not writing AWB off but maybe a bit of competition could have a positive impact - we need more technically good players
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Rotate Bissaka & Lamptey depends on the opposition.
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Yeah that would be ideal, however still need a first XI CB, CDM & RW before that over the next two windows and none of which looks to be very forthcoming at the moment
 
Laird has only just got back from injury. There is every chance he would be in the mix if not.
 
Feeling like I need to post in this thread after seeing AWB fail to put in a cross entire game or produce anything remotely attacking.
 
Kind of giving up on Bissaka at this point. He offers nothing going forward and has terrible positioning in defence. He started so well here but has regressed. Needs serious competition
 
lilcurt said:
Kind of giving up on Bissaka at this point. He offers nothing going forward and has terrible positioning in defence. He started so well here but has regressed. Needs serious competition
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Yeah definitely needs that same kick up the arse Telles has provided to Shaw at LB, however think our hopes of bringing in some competition for him at RB went when Trippier got himself suspended from the game for ten weeks. Who are the other experienced options out there who could give us a threat going forward as think we would see Aarons & Lamptey differently to that.
 
Agree with Aarons - been very good for Norwich and last season he was better than Godfrey who has done really well at Everton. He has also played over 100 league matches before turning 21 which is really impressive for a defender.

But he is young and English, so Norwich probably expect £30-40 million for him. And I just can't see why we should spend so much for a backup-players when we should save all our money for 1-2 top, top players
 
lysglimt said:
Agree with Aarons - been very good for Norwich and last season he was better than Godfrey who has done really well at Everton. He has also played over 100 league matches before turning 21 which is really impressive for a defender.

But he is young and English, so Norwich probably expect £30-40 million for him. And I just can't see why we should spend so much for a backup-players when we should save all our money for 1-2 top, top players
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What do you think we should do at RB because could really do with an attacking option there
 
man united 4eva said:
Max Aarons would be good purchase.. He's 5' 10" and will be 21 next week... He's already made over 100 first team appearances for Norwich.. scoring 4 goals... He's an attacking right back who can also play as left back... He is a better option than Williams at this moment in time.. however a loan move and regular game time would improve Williams.. It's just shame Laird has had his injuries as i would prefer him to get a chance.
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Definitely not 5’10. Maybe 5’7 at a push.
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We need a modern attacking full back/right back to give us a new dimension down the right side plus give AWB competition for his place. Up there with a RF, CB and CDM in importance for me.

May need to be a real scouting job across Europe to find that gem mind, as I can’t think of anyone that obvious apart from the potential of the young lad at Brighton.

Never seen Laird play so can’t comment on his suitability and surely he would need time anyway.
 
Laird is the obvious choice, but if he continues to be injured I would like us to try for Mazraoui from Ajax. He's great going forward and has improved a lot defensively. would cost less than PL defenders. I doubt that Ajax players will be keen to come here after our treatment of Donny
 
Why is everyone forgetting that Dalot is still on our books and has been sent to learn the trade defensively as his attacking prowess is much better than AWB.
He is doing OK at Milan and will be a better player defensively when he comes back. I like him as he has a good cross in him
Him and AWB will make things more competitive next season
 
drmuji said:
Why is everyone forgetting that Dalot is still on our books and has been sent to learn the trade defensively as his attacking prowess is much better than AWB.
He is doing OK at Milan and will be a better player defensively when he comes back. I like him as he has a good cross in him
Him and AWB will make things more competitive next season
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He`s yet to start a Serie A game and has only featured in the EL which is not the best metric to use for his game. He`s been nothing more than a perennial back up for Milan leave alone a reliable back up but he`s good enough to be direct competition to AWB even though he struggled to get games ahead of TFM?
Dalot gets too overrated on this platform
 
AWB is good enough to be our RB for the next 5 years easily. Yes, he is a bit poor on attacking at the moment, but he has not played with any out and out right wing player who can pull multiple defenders or are constantly running and making space. He hasn't made the next jump in level yet, but he hasn't exactly regressed also.

He just turned 23, I hope we definitely give him till 26 before considering replacing him, however, getting an experienced RB who can light a fire under him or improve his attacking play as a back up is much much better option than having Dalot/Williams as backup.

However as the thread is potential RB, in the PL, I have absolutely loved James Justin this season, much more than Lamptey. Wasn't expecting much from Justin, but he has actually done a pretty awesome job in place of Pereira, of course signing from Leicester is paying an exorbitant fee, but I prefer Justin over Lamptey/Aarons personally.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah that would be ideal, however still need a first XI CB, CDM & RW before that over the next two windows and none of which looks to be very forthcoming at the moment
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RB is probably more realistic in January and it's still improving us, it will give us differential option especially between the lesser team & top 7 teams. I can’t see us getting any of CB, CDM & RW in January unless if we accept mediocrity or teenagers signings.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
RB is probably more realistic in January and it's still improving us, it will give us differential option especially between the lesser team & top 7 teams. I can’t see us getting any of CB, CDM & RW in January unless if we accept mediocrity or teenagers signings.
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Maybe Diallo will come in and surprise us all on the RW, still hopeful that we may get Caceido sorted at some point in January as well. I agree that RB is the most realistic and interesting to hear Romano tweet about Aarons tonight for the first time so might be one to watch over next couple of weeks.
 
bsCallout said:
No, because Daniel James could never be a fullback. Ive seen you say this wingers become fullback thing a few times too, who are you refering too?
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Just at United? Valencia, Young, AWB to name a few...But if you want to keep thinking inside the box then be my guest. I'm not saying that James at FB would work at United, but as a winger definitely won't. When I see him play I see him more like a classic winger than a modern day wide forward. And in today's game FB's are closer to classic wingers. Just look at TAA. He looks more like a classic winger than a FB but in modern day football that's how FB's play on good attacking teams. So perhaps James could learn the position. Either way, he won't make it here much longer as a winger so if he wants to stay with us this may be a route to take...
 
SadlerMUFC said:
Just at United? Valencia, Young, AWB to name a few...But if you want to keep thinking inside the box then be my guest. I'm not saying that James at FB would work at United, but as a winger definitely won't. When I see him play I see him more like a classic winger than a modern day wide forward. And in today's game FB's are closer to classic wingers. Just look at TAA. He looks more like a classic winger than a FB but in modern day football that's how FB's play on good attacking teams. So perhaps James could learn the position. Either way, he won't make it here much longer as a winger so if he wants to stay with us this may be a route to take...
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Young and Valencia werent good fullbacks. They did a job. They were also very good wingers, James is not, they were also both strong.

TAA does not look like a classic winger. He looks like a CM which is what he was.

James would never make it as a fullback. There is not one single attribute that he has that suggests he could, let alone at a title challenging team.
 
bsCallout said:
Young and Valencia werent good fullbacks. They did a job. They were also very good wingers, James is not, they were also both strong.

TAA does not look like a classic winger. He looks like a CM which is what he was.

James would never make it as a fullback. There is not one single attribute that he has that suggests he could, let alone at a title challenging team.
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Young and Valencia were fantastic FB's. Just under appreciated at United and Young was often scapegoated. And TAA may have started as a midfielder but he doesn't look like one. Unless you are saying that centre midfielders are known for their crossing skills. Either way, maybe James could and maybe he couldn't. Why people feel the need to rubbish the idea is beyond me. But like i said, if you want to keep thinking inside the box, then be my guest...
 
SadlerMUFC said:
Young and Valencia were fantastic FB's. Just under appreciated at United and Young was often scapegoated. And TAA may have started as a midfielder but he doesn't look like one. Unless you are saying that centre midfielders are known for their crossing skills. Either way, maybe James could and maybe he couldn't. Why people feel the need to rubbish the idea is beyond me. But like i said, if you want to keep thinking inside the box, then be my guest...
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Young and Valencia were not fantastic FBs at all. Everyone wanted them replaced, they did well at times because they are very good pros, James is not.

TAA passes like a CM, very few wingers cross, let alone like TAA who often plays the ball from deep. Even Becks went to CM because thats how the game is played now. TAA offers nothing that a modern winger does.

You keep saying maybe he could but havent given a single reason he could. Thinking outside the box is all well and dandy if you can actually explain why that is a good idea.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
I'd like to see what happens if James was converted to a RB. He has the fitness and the speed, and his offensive output is better than AWB. Could be a good way to enhance his career...
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I would love to see this. At least we know that James can whip in a great crosss from time to time.
 
Cheeky bid for Ricardo Pereira? The player who we should have bought instead of Dalot.

Looks like Leicester will continue with Castagne and Justin who has been a revelation and not just a stop gap.
 
bsCallout said:
Young and Valencia were not fantastic FBs at all. Everyone wanted them replaced, they did well at times because they are very good pros, James is not.

TAA passes like a CM, very few wingers cross, let alone like TAA who often plays the ball from deep. Even Becks went to CM because thats how the game is played now. TAA offers nothing that a modern winger does.

You keep saying maybe he could but havent given a single reason he could. Thinking outside the box is all well and dandy if you can actually explain why that is a good idea.
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I never said TAA was like a modern winger. I said he was more like a classic winger/wide midfielder. AKA Becks...
 
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