Potential full back signings

Adnan said:
I don't think anyone thinks Ole is gonna wave a magic wand. What Ole is doing is creating a much better atmosphere around the group and creating a fun working environment, Something that has been missing under Mourinho. Now with the 'toxic one' gone, we may see a much improved Valencia at RB.

I'm pretty confident we'll see Laird in the first team squad next season depending on the mindset of our next coach. I wouldn't even be surprised if Ole gives him a debut this season.
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I agree that the atmosphere is much better but Valencia wasn't like Pogba or Martial or Shaw who were being treat like shit and it effected their game, for the longest time he was a trusted Mourinho soldier and was made Captain, his performances were down to how much he has regressed as a player over the last 3 seasons, the crappy crossing and inability to beat a man was not down to Mourinho as we saw Young and Dalot do it under the same manager, he looked finished under LvG nevermind Jose.

Fair enough, I don't bet money but I'd bet a tagline with you if one the mods can set it up. :D Four of the youth team have been given lockers in the first team dressing room, Laird is not one of them, right now we are developing a 19 year old RB, you can't develop 2 kids in the same position at the same time.
 
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Devil may care said:
I agree that the atmosphere is much better but Valencia wasn't like Pogba or Martial or Shaw who were being treat like shit and it effected their game, for the longest time he was a trusted Mourinho soldier and was made Captain, his performances were down to how much he has regressed as a player over the last last 3 seasons, the crappy crossing and inability to beat a man was not down to Mourinho as we saw Young and Dalot do it under the same manager, he looked finished under LvG nevermind Jose.

Fair enough, I don't bet money but I'd bet a tagline with you if one the mods can set it up. :D Four of the youth team have have been given lockers in the first team dressing room, Laird is not one of them, right now we are developing a 19 year old RB, you can't develop 2 kids in the same position at the same time.
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We were helping Laird in his development long before Mourinho and his scouts got wind of the young Dalot at Porto. Dalot is also comfortable at LB it seems, covering for Telles on occassions.

Laird has been injured or else i'd imagine he also would've been rewarded with a locker in the first team dressing room too..:D

What is the tag line bet?
 
Adnan said:
We were helping Laird in his development long before Mourinho and his scouts got wind of the young Dalot at Porto. Dalot is also comfortable at LB it seems, covering for Telles on occassions.

Laird has been injured or else i'd imagine he also would've been rewarded with a locker in the first team dressing room too..:D

What is the tag line bet?
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I know but we can't blood them both into the first team at once, there's only so much game time to go around and the process is usually to blood in a young player while you have a prime player in the role.Dalot can fill in at LB but it takes away his attacking game from what I've seen, it would stunt his development.

Laird and Milenkovic should be paying you agent fees! :D

Basically if Laird gets first team games next season you can pick a tag line for me, and if he doesn't I get to pick one for you.
 
Devil may care said:
I know but we can't blood them both into the first team at once, there's only so much game time to go around and the process is usually to blood in a young player while you have a prime player in the role.Dalot can fill in at LB but it takes away his attacking game from what I've seen, it would stunt his development.

Laird and Milenkovic should be paying you agent fees! :D

Basically if Laird gets first team games next season you can pick a tag line for me, and if he doesn't I get to pick one for you.
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Sounds good..
 
I thought Kongolo did okay against us as leftback.

Only 24, playing for a team that's about to get relegated and will therefore be cheap, 6' 2", decent in the air, able to play CB quite comfortably as cover for our inevitable injury crisis.

I'll admit I've not seen him much, but I'm thinking realistic rather than dream targets.

He'd be ideal as a bench option behind Shaw. Not a potential Ballon D'Or winner by any means, but that's not what we need in that position right now.

Shaw+Kongolo at LB, Young+Dalot at RB.

Young's got another year as a first teamer in him. In 2020, we can assess Laird and work out whether we need to recruit.
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Well if an opportunity should arise I’d like us to get one aswell, but not for stupid money which seems the only option at the minute.

You used the 20 million spent on Dalot as an arguement for further investment in the position being a poor decision yet never mentioned the 60 million we’ve spent in the last summer windows for CB. That’s an issue for me i this debate.
There’s no need for them to form a partnership either, whoever performs the best can partner up with whoever performs the best out of Rojo, Jones and Smalling.

We won’t be binning them, they’ll both be out of contract, all we have to do is not resign them. Something the new manager most likely won’t be averse to unless he has some kind of prior relationship with them which is unlikely.

I like Valencia and have been ridiculed in the past for just how highly I’ve rated him but resigning a 34-year old is not something a club of our stature and finacial strenght should be doing. Definitely not in some misguided attempt to appease youth-values anyways.
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I think we need to stop worrying about how much players cost the club. The club is clearly lacking quality in defence. If you ignore the prices tag Dalot is very young and not even played 20 first team games in his career. How can anyone assume he can just start week in week out is beyond me. It’s obvious we need a decent RB who will fit straight into the first team. The fact Young has been given a contract extension makes me believe the club don’t see it a priority.

For CB we definitely need someone. Bailly has really lost his way but I feel with a Ferdinand style partner he could be world class, he showed it in his first season at the club. I’m really not sure what has happened to him. Lindelof has looked better in recent games but he misses easy headers, lacks pace and against better sides hasn’t looked great. Rojo will he sold, Jones should be sold. Smalling is a useful squad player.

At LB we have Shaw with constant injury fears. I believe he’s a solid LB but could offer more going forward, he doesn’t tend to bomb down for an overlap run and cross.

Of the defence I’d say CB is priority then RB. If I was the manager I would want 4 signings in the summer. RW and CB as a priority, a RB then a substitute striker.
 
Devil may care said:
It wasn't meant to be an essay. :lol: Just putting thoughts down.

I don't get this idea that Ole is going to wave a magic wand and every player will suddenly be better, Valencia has been crap for two seasons now, I hated Jose as much as anyone but the deficiencies in his game had nothing to do with him. I can agree to disagree with Young who at least stays fit and can get down on the overlap under Jose and Ole, but I am 100% confident that you wont see Laird next season in the senior team and by this time next year the same issues with RB will be here if we are using hasbeen wingers as our RB, Dalot needs more time and less pressure IMO.
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I’ve read all your posts on here and completely agree with everything you said.

Dalot cannot just become a regular overnight, it rarely turns out that way. We need to sign someone probably in their late 20s who’s first team quality.

I’m sick and tired of seeing Valencia and Young lack of crossing. Valencia always passed it backwards, Young hits the first man. They both lack quality. I’ve just read another post saying their good squad players. We have too many good squad players, what we need is real top class quality and this club should have the funds to pay for it in the transfer market.
 
I don't think we should be in any rush to sign fullbacks as we have Laird and O Connor coming through who are outstanding prospects. They are great going forward and are very good defenders.
 
I think fullback needs addressing, problem is, between that and CB, I'd ideally want 2 FBs and 3 CBs come in. Can't see it happening.

Either way, right now, I think RB is more of a priority, but LB seems easy to sort out :lol:

I think we can easily come up with a list of names as potential LB signings.
I've not seen him play, but his whoscored rating the last few years have been exceptional (Currently sitting at 7.48 in the league), his Fifa rating is only beaten by 5 players in his position (Marcelo, Alba, Sandro, Alaba and Filipe Luis) and he's exceptional on FM as well.... Now look, I know I'm quoting video games here, but he must be doing something right to be so highly rated.
With a rumored buyout clause of 35m euro, Alex Telles would be my choice.
The annoying thing is Luke Shaw. What is he right now? He's a very good LB, or is he a bit part LB. He's showing signs this season, but at no point has he nailed down that position.
Do we buy a LB as cover for Luke Shaw, or do we buy a left back as our main left back? That's the hardest decision right now.

RB. I think it hard to name many available. A few people have said Meunier as his contract is coming to its last season, so thats a good option, but beyond that, I think it difficult to pluck a name out of the hat really.
Dalot hopefully is one for the future, but is he currently a RB that could help is win the league? He wasn't even Porto's first choice last season. People have thrown Laird's name into the mix, but the lad is 17, if he's as good as people say he is, get him on loan somewhere, lets see what he can do. These youth games are all well and good, but if he's good enough, get him in some proper games week in week out.
We could stick with Young and Dalot as our RB options, but if we want to be challenging for the league, can these really cut it right now?
 
red4ever 79 said:
Chillwell, Shaw, Dalot, Forsu Mensah
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Fosu Mensah is not a full back. Both his loans at CP and Fulham have shown this. At Ajax youth he played DM and that is probably his best position. Not sure he is good enough for United. Laird, O"Connor, Dalot and Shaw are probably our long term full backs
 
Liverpool look to be making a 20 year old Lloyd Kelly from Bristol City their next left back signing which will presumably mean Moreno is on his way.

Lots of potential to be snapped up cheap in the lower leagues.
 
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Chillwell has a lot of qualities but still needs to get better to be a top player. Still a work in progress. Rumours are that City will go in for him in the summer.
 
Not having a go at anyone but genuinely cannot understand how people think Fosu Mensah is an option for us as a right back. Have people not watched him in the last few seasons? He is nowhere near United quality. He was a very promising youth player, and stood out at times mostly due to him being physically ready for senior football. But he is being shown to be a very, very average player since he started playing first team games. Wouldn't get a sniff of game time at any big club, and rightly so. I think sometimes people are blinded by players actual ability simply because they came through our youth system.
Anyway, it's all about opinions, someone will think I'm completely wrong and I'd love to hear their thoughts on it.
 
Not sure about right backs, but there are so many talented gettable LB's around, we would be dumb not to snap one up.

Chilwell, Tierney, Telles, Max, Firpo. They are all better offensively than Shaw, so we would have someone to challenge him for the spot and 2 specialist LB's with plenty to improve.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Ben Chilwell is the player we should be buying in the summer. Quality full back, and bonus he's English as well.
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Chilwell and Shaw competing for the starting LB spot is the kind of quality depth I'd like to see us have in the fullback spots, it's such an important and physically demanding position in the modern game.

IrishMcD said:
Not having a go at anyone but genuinely cannot understand how people think Fosu Mensah is an option for us as a right back. Have people not watched him in the last few seasons? He is nowhere near United quality. He was a very promising youth player, and stood out at times mostly due to him being physically ready for senior football. But he is being shown to be a very, very average player since he started playing first team games. Wouldn't get a sniff of game time at any big club, and rightly so. I think sometimes people are blinded by players actual ability simply because they came through our youth system.
Anyway, it's all about opinions, someone will think I'm completely wrong and I'd love to hear their thoughts on it.
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I agree, to me he looked most promising as a CB, I don't know several managers have tried to convert him to RB.
 
Tierny (attacking and crossing), Shaw (better defensively), Dalot (attacking and crossing), Wan Bassaka (better defensively)
 
izec said:
Not sure about right backs, but there are so many talented gettable LB's around, we would be dumb not to snap one up.

Chilwell, Tierney, Telles, Max, Firpo. They are all better offensively than Shaw, so we would have someone to challenge him for the spot and 2 specialist LB's with plenty to improve.
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I keep seeing Telles of Porto being mentioned, but the Portuguese members on here don't seem to rate him as high you're rating him.

@Peyroteo rates Shaw as a better player.
 
Adnan said:
I keep seeing Telles of Porto being mentioned, but the Portuguese members on here don't seem to rate him as high you're rating him.

@Peyroteo rates Shaw as a better player.
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Offensively he is much better. I like Shaw, but we need another fullback. Telles is a complete different animal in crossing and set piece delivery. Thats the only complaint most have with Shaw, his offensive contribution. I would be happy with anyone on that list, since they offer something different and now is a good time to buy a LB.
 
Adnan said:
I keep seeing Telles of Porto being mentioned, but the Portuguese members on here don't seem to rate him as high you're rating him.

@Peyroteo rates Shaw as a better player.
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Not by much though, Telles would be a good option to have nonetheless. He's a good player
 
IrishMcD said:
Not having a go at anyone but genuinely cannot understand how people think Fosu Mensah is an option for us as a right back. Have people not watched him in the last few seasons? He is nowhere near United quality. He was a very promising youth player, and stood out at times mostly due to him being physically ready for senior football. But he is being shown to be a very, very average player since he started playing first team games. Wouldn't get a sniff of game time at any big club, and rightly so. I think sometimes people are blinded by players actual ability simply because they came through our youth system.
Anyway, it's all about opinions, someone will think I'm completely wrong and I'd love to hear their thoughts on it.
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I think your spot on, TFM is not United quality and would'nt get into any top team, people need to take off their rose/red tinted glass's.
 
I think we'll have to proceed on the basis of Dalot not being ready (or not good enough at all) and Young quickly declining. Any right back we sign will need to be a fairly dependable right back who we could mount a title challenge with.
 
dutchred said:
if i was Laird and United signed a right back now I would start looking for a new club. This guy is the defense equivalent of Mason Greenwood.
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He is 17 years old - if a 17 year old leaves United because they sign a new right-back, he hasn't got the mentality to play for United. Of course he is not goina to leave the club because of that.

That is a challenge any player at United will face their entire career.
 
lysglimt said:
He is 17 years old - if a 17 year old leaves United because they sign a new right-back, he hasn't got the mentality to play for United. Of course he is not goina to leave the club because of that.

That is a challenge any player at United will face their entire career.
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True, but it is highly unlikely that we will challenge for the title next season regardless. Better to give some of the youngsters a chance in the first team and build the squad in the long term.
 
Fosu-Mens said:
True, but it is highly unlikely that we will challenge for the title next season regardless. Better to give some of the youngsters a chance in the first team and build the squad in the long term.
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He's 17. We already have a 19 year old RB who has less than 20 senior games. You can't just have a load of kids (this isn't anything like Alan Hanson speaking).

This squad came second last season, with a progressive manager and a couple of decent signings, there is no reason why we can't be in the title race next year, or at the very least vastly improve.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
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He's 17. We already have a 19 year old RB who has less than 20 senior games. You can't just have a load of kids (this isn't anything like Alan Hanson speaking).

This squad came second last season, with a progressive manager and a couple of decent signings, there is no reason why we can't be in the title race next year, or at the very least vastly improve.
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The second place last year did not reflect the way we played. Getting second place by parking the bus is different from challenging for the title through playing attacking football. I think we will get top 4 next season, but given the gap between us and Liverpool/City we will not be able to close the gap unless we do wonders in the market, which we won't. 20/21 season is the earliest i think we will seriously be a title contender.
 
Fosu-Mens said:
The second place last year did not reflect the way we played. Getting second place by parking the bus is different from challenging for the title through playing attacking football. I think we will get top 4 next season, but given the gap between us and Liverpool/City we will not be able to close the gap unless we do wonders in the market, which we won't. 20/21 season is the earliest i think we will seriously be a title contender.
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Where were Liverpool last season? where were Chelsea the season before they won the title? We have an excellent squad - we don't need to start again and throw in 17 year old kids.
 
Alex Sandro is my dream signing. He would be perfect for us and will be the worlds best LB after Marcelo goes. Sessegnon would also be good but probably wasted at LB.

RB? It’s tough. Dalot looks promising but I’d love to see Bellerin here. I think he’s still got massive potential and the Spanish connections are there.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
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He's 17. We already have a 19 year old RB who has less than 20 senior games. You can't just have a load of kids (this isn't anything like Alan Hanson speaking).

This squad came second last season, with a progressive manager and a couple of decent signings, there is no reason why we can't be in the title race next year, or at the very least vastly improve.
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I agree on this. If we bring Tuanzabe into the squad next year, we will have two young prospects in defense who both will need playing time in Dalot and Tuanzebe.
That is enough if we are going to seriously challenge for honours next year, we cant have more youngsters in defense. A squad just consists of 23-25 players.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Where were Liverpool last season? where were Chelsea the season before they won the title? We have an excellent squad - we don't need to start again and throw in 17 year old kids.
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Liverpool were in the finals in CL and played good attacking football, had a shitty defense. Chelsea won the league the season before they had the blunder season with the same squad more or less. And added Kante. We have played defensive football for 5 seasons, and got a lucky second place last year(fewest chances created among top 4/5 and most chances allowed among the same teams). If Woodward(god forbid) or a hopefully a newly appointed DoF performs really well early in the summer transfer market, Pogba stays healthy and in form the whole season, and we have a manager that is able to play attacking football without depending on overloading with players in attack... Then we have a good chance at the PL title. Or if both Liverpool and City faulter. I think we will manage top 4 comfortably with City and Liverpool ahead of us. Then next season after that we will have a chance for the title.
 
Promote Laird & O'Connor.

If we have to buy new fullbacks, I would like to see Max Aarons & Ben Chilwell signed.
 
Valencia is done guys. We need someone bit older but wouldn't block Dalot

What are our options?
 
How would you rate Ferland Mendy defensively? @bucky I've seen him a few times and he looks a brilliant player in attack with fantastic pace.
 
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