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West Ham United 1:2 Manchester United

Post-match discussion

Sun, 19 September 2021

Matst1 said:
There's definitely something not quite right with our coaching - as soon as they scored, we transformed into a proper energized, attacking team, we then score and the foot goes off the gas and we turn into a team full of strangers again. Its like we're coached to play a certain way, but when the opposition scores its a wake up call and we panic but start to play free flowing attacking football like its our natural way of playing. Its very frustrating - i love Ole but we now need someone to take us to the next level, like Tuchel has done with Chelsea..
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We had more shots on goal in the first period than any other team in the Premier League has had this season.
 
ManUnitedCanuck said:
Question, if Noble scored would he have had to take it again? Few players encroached in the 18 on his run up and i recall for a bit they were monitoring that but don’t think that is the case anymore?

If keepers have to stay on the line, why not enforce this as well as it could provide an advantage if you do the whole pass to an oncoming player routine.

Genuinely curious on this one. Would cause a lot of retakes and be annoying so can see why it’s not called.
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Since players from both teams encroached on the penalty area, according to the letter of the law, the penalty should have been retaken regardless of the outcome. If only United players had stepped into the box, Noble should have taken the penalty again. Had it gone in, all would have been fine. Had only a WHU player encroached on the penalty area, the save would have still been legit. If Noble had scored, in this case, he should have been ordered to retake his penalty. If both the keeper and the taker offend the rules of the game at the same time, a missed pen is retaken and both players are cautioned. If a goal is scored, it gets disallowed, the kicker gets cautioned and an indirect kick is awarded to the defending team.

But, as you said, it's just too much trouble. Unless one of the players who break the rules gains an advantage (score a goal or clear the ball on the rebound), the refs let it pass. There are some who choose to be very meticulous on occasion, but they usually give numerous warnings before the penalty is taken.

I haven't seen a good replay of the save (i was busy jumping around the house and screaming when they were showing them on TV), but the impression i got was the De Gea stayed on his line. Once the ball is kicked, the GK can move. On the rare occasion of a pass, he can come out of his line and claim the ball and so can the rest of the players.
 
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I wonder will the same online managerial geniuses slating Ole for his Lingard sub midweek show up now to praise him for EXACTLY the same sub and Jesse scoring a winning goal?

Doubtful.
 
Keefy18 said:
I wonder will the same online managerial geniuses slating Ole for his Lingard sub midweek show up now to praise him for EXACTLY the same sub and Jesse scoring a winning goal?

Doubtful.
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It wasn't the exact same sub though? He replaced Pogba, not Ronaldo, and we weren't down to 10 men, and we weren't under intense pressure. So a different sub in a different context.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
I wasn’t if you read. I replied to a
Comment about us recruiting someone like Tuchel.

It’s obvious any comparison of any coach with Ole is invidious
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Totally agree and I've no idea why.

I admit in certain scenarios it is perfectly acceptable to compare Ole's record to managers in a similar time frame for example... his 100 game record vs Jose, Pep, Klopp etc etc.
 
Siorac said:
It wasn't the exact same sub though? He replaced Pogba, not Ronaldo, and we weren't down to 10 men, and we weren't under intense pressure. So a different sub in a different context.
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Oh give over with the pedantic reasoning to continue to slate needlessly.

He replaced an attacking player for another.

The same mentality was there, to give us fresh legs and energy on the pitch and possibly bag a winner.

In one instance it didn't work due to a regrettable poor pass, the other led to a match winner.

But yeah lets slate one and ignore the other because it doesn't suit the narrative to praise the manager.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
We still are a team where we don’t know which one will turn up that’s for sure.

Credit where credit’s due though, good management yesterday and the subs worked a treat.

Where Tuchel is concerned, be careful what you wish for. His subbing on of Kante changed the game when it looked like they wouldn’t get anything out of it. If we give him the kudos for that then we need to give Ole the same. Tuchel is still a coach working with a lot of money and the squad is still very much one he’s inherited. I’d like to see him build his own before I see him as a Utd coach
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I don’t imagine he’s get that chance. Chelsea seem to be run where the manager is more of a head coach who focuses on the first team with the recruitment coming from a specialist team
 
Only just watched the game in full. Some really sloppy passing and final balls into the area but what a bloody finish!
 
Isn't United's world of football wonderful?
Within one week, Jesse Lingard's contribution loses one game 1-2, then his contribution later same week helps win a game 2-1, with David DeGea's first penalty save in forty securing the win...I cant wait for Wednesday at OT, Theatre of Dreams indeed; all we need now is for Phil Jones to come on as a makeshift DM and score a hat trick!!!
 
Inigo Montoya said:
We still are a team where we don’t know which one will turn up that’s for sure.

Credit where credit’s due though, good management yesterday and the subs worked a treat.

Where Tuchel is concerned, be careful what you wish for. His subbing on of Kante changed the game when it looked like they wouldn’t get anything out of it. If we give him the kudos for that then we need to give Ole the same. Tuchel is still a coach working with a lot of money and the squad is still very much one he’s inherited. I’d like to see him build his own before I see him as a Utd coach
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Yes, very true
 
sglowrider said:
You think that's due to coaching? A football team is like an orchestra. It only takes one player/instrument to feck things up. Once the players cross the white line, there isn't much the manager can do other than subbing.
We need leaders on the pitch. Thats why the type of recruiting we go the last summer.
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Yes thats true i suppose, we need players like Keane on the pitch but it is also down to the coaching too, but maybe not as much as i think. We're not that far off either way
 
2 man midfield said:
I want Ole to kick off. VAR needs to be looked at, because where’s the consistency? Ronaldo is rounding the last man and putting himself through on goal - not reviewed. Luke Shaw blocks a cross into a packed 18 yard box with his arm - reviewed. How is it that one doesn’t get scrutinised when it is clearly a better goal scoring opportunity than the other?

Other than that, it was a very entertaining game. Didn’t think we played well at all, but yet again we found a way. Jesse with a wonder goal to make amends, Dave with his first penalty save since the late nineties probably. Absolutely massive for the morale to come through that.
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He saved a pen against Van Persie in the 8-2 in 2011 and another against Lukaku and Everton in the 2016 FA cup semi final. What are you on about the late 90's for?
 
Hi. Don't know if this is real or not.

Just saw a short clip on IG. During the Lingard substitution when he comes on, the camera was on Ronaldo for a short while and he looks disgusted with that substitution, shaking his head and all. I didn't watch the match so i don't know if its true or not. Or someone just do some editing on it.

Anyways, like Fergie always says, the decisions will even it self out the entire season. we win some decisions and we will lose some.
 
Keefy18 said:
Oh give over with the pedantic reasoning to continue to slate needlessly.

He replaced an attacking player for another.

The same mentality was there, to give us fresh legs and energy on the pitch and possibly bag a winner.

In one instance it didn't work due to a regrettable poor pass, the other led to a match winner.

But yeah lets slate one and ignore the other because it doesn't suit the narrative to praise the manager.
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1. Base entire post on saying "EXACTLY (in caps) the same substitution"

2. Be shown how it wasn't exactly the same substitution at all - in this example, Lingard 1) replaced a different player and therefore 2) wasn't brought on to play as the lone striker and then as a central midfielder

3. Refuse to accept response and accuse other person of pedantry because everyone's a managerial genius with an agenda against the manager


It was a great pair of substitutions yesterday. The ones last week were crap. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge both of these things.
 
Keefy18 said:
Oh give over with the pedantic reasoning to continue to slate needlessly.

He replaced an attacking player for another.

The same mentality was there, to give us fresh legs and energy on the pitch and possibly bag a winner.

In one instance it didn't work due to a regrettable poor pass, the other led to a match winner.

But yeah lets slate one and ignore the other because it doesn't suit the narrative to praise the manager.
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They are literally different situations it's not the same decision. He did well in this instance but not in the other.
 
Brilliant, brilliant win. We dug deep and got the result. Lots of positives, De Gea, Varane, Shaw, some decent attacking from AWB, great from Lingard and so many shots on target. Let down by the ref but an important win that puts us joint top. McT was obviously unfit which is understandable. West Ham away always seems difficult for us. Last time I went there I was in the West Ham end freezing and In the snow. I had to stand up everytime they scored after they beat us 4-0 in the carling cup (or whatever it’s called now), that was the old ground mind so I always enjoy beating them.
 
makcikkaulawa said:
Hi. Don't know if this is real or not.

Just saw a short clip on IG. During the Lingard substitution when he comes on, the camera was on Ronaldo for a short while and he looks disgusted with that substitution, shaking his head and all. I didn't watch the match so i don't know if its true or not. Or someone just do some editing on it.

Anyways, like Fergie always says, the decisions will even it self out the entire season. we win some decisions and we will lose some.
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Probably nobody including Ronaldo and Lingard cares since he scored. Apart from somebody possibly editing that and a few guys in twitter that is.
 
makcikkaulawa said:
Hi. Don't know if this is real or not.

Just saw a short clip on IG. During the Lingard substitution when he comes on, the camera was on Ronaldo for a short while and he looks disgusted with that substitution, shaking his head and all. I didn't watch the match so i don't know if its true or not. Or someone just do some editing on it.

Anyways, like Fergie always says, the decisions will even it self out the entire season. we win some decisions and we will lose some.
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It's edited. The clip of Ronaldo looking dismayed is after one of his penalty appeals.
 
makcikkaulawa said:
Hi. Don't know if this is real or not.

Just saw a short clip on IG. During the Lingard substitution when he comes on, the camera was on Ronaldo for a short while and he looks disgusted with that substitution, shaking his head and all. I didn't watch the match so i don't know if its true or not. Or someone just do some editing on it.

Anyways, like Fergie always says, the decisions will even it self out the entire season. we win some decisions and we will lose some.
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feck off.
 
So, my observations:

This thread had 12 pages in less than 12 hours. That's the most I've seen after a win since joining.

Glad to see most folks thought it was a good game marred by the ref. I don't think Atkinson's the worst, I put Oliver and Kavanagh after him, but it's like they're competing for that title.

I realize Fred's not a great DM, but... I don't think he's as bad as a lot of folks seem to think, and we don't have another 90-minute DM on the roster right now.

Maguire had one of his worst games in a United shirt. And that doesn't have me worried.

Ronaldo riding down his kill. Beautiful.

Lingard's shot was even better in the replay.

Ole had a good lineup out there to start, they just couldn't get it in. His subs were good, too.

West Ham are a good team. That was a quality win against a 12-man squad. 13 if you count VAR.

I fully expect to smash them Wednesday.
 
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