[xplatformjedi]

The guy said we needed transfers. He didn't get them (thanks, Ed) and you want hin sacked?

Again...we needed transfers TO BEAT BRIGHTON? SEVILLA? HUDDERSFIELD?

COACH a little.

 

[Bobski]

As pointed out on MNF surely this makes it more concerning, yes we seemed to be playing well, a lot of energy, and at least an attempt at entertaining, yet we lost by three.

The fact many were so pleased with how we pressed and attacked at times, was surely because it's been so long since we have seen anything resesmbling this, so Jose was trying something he doesn't do very often, and this just isn't him, he sets teams up and grinds results out, tonight was just odd from a usual Jose game.

He's well out of his comfort zone now, if he goes back to setting up a strong defence, our attack will look horrible, if he goes on the attack our defense will continue to make individual mistakes, it's a mess, and I can't see a way out now.

It was more watchable but it was still all hectic and chaotic energy. It is not a well coached or structured team, and hasn't been for the majority of his time here.

 

[Slevs]

Again...we needed transfers TO BEAT BRIGHTON? SEVILLA? HUDDERSFIELD?

COACH a little.

Why are you screaming?

For the right system, yes we need transfers. A good defense wins you titles.

 

[vivaronaldo]

Manchester United - Tottenham
Shots attempted: 23 - 9
Shots on target: 5 - 5
Shots off target: 12 - 2
Blocked shots: 6 - 2

Best game of the season if you look away from the scoreline.

cool story .....jose out

 

[acnumber9]

As pointed out on MNF surely this makes it more concerning, yes we seemed to be playing well, a lot of energy, and at least an attempt at entertaining, yet we lost by three.

The fact many were so pleased with how we pressed and attacked at times, was surely because it's been so long since we have seen anything resesmbling this, so Jose was trying something he doesn't do very often, and this just isn't him, he sets teams up and grinds results out, tonight was just odd from a usual Jose game.

He's well out of his comfort zone now, if he goes back to setting up a strong defence, our attack will look horrible, if he goes on the attack our defense will continue to make individual mistakes, it's a mess, and I can't see a way out now.

It’s definitely concerning. But to me it goes to show these players aren’t what some think they are. Which is why I’m not sure a new manager is the quick fix some think. We sack him now and it transpires players are the problem then we’re starting again. And with what manager?

 

[crossy1686]

What was the question asked?

"Jose, what would you say to someone who shows you disrespect?"

 

[Slevs]

What was the question asked?

That's where the journos conveniently leave out the question.

There was no question, Jamie Jackson told him that his side lost 3-0 after Jose said we played well in the 1st half or smtg

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

I'm long back from the game and have made a cuppa to try to unwind. That was horrific: chances wasted and the defence all over the place again. What the hell is going on? Herrera starting in a back three? I said to my brother after Lukaku missed that great chance first half that we would regret it. Second half was a defensive capitulation of Brighton proportions. Jones injured yet again; how very predictable. Lindelof looked terrified when he came on. After that, the circus really came into town as the defence became a total clown show. It really was shocking and embarrassing to behold.

The club is a shambles, bereft of confidence and looking leaderless. Will Jose be around much longer? Not if this continues, that's for sure. Somebody was saying Paddy Power are already paying out on him being the first manager to go this season. It's grim just now, and we need results fast; the Champions League risks being humiliating.

We finished second in May and most were optimistic for this season, myself included. How have the wheels come off so fast and so catastrophically since then? There are all kinds of rumours flying around of course, but something has gone badly wrong.

I'm not even going to take a guess at what will happen next; there's very little we the fans can do about it. It's very worrying times. Buckle in and prepare for a bumpy ride.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

Pogba was good today but again, he tries to do too much when he has 2 or 3 players on him. There was a moment in the first half when he had 2 players on him and instead of making a simple pass to the nearby defender, he tried to shield the ball and gave away a corner in our half.

Luke shaw was very positive today. Crossing is still not on point, but left back looks like the least of our problems right now.

Fred looked tired at around the 75th minute mark. put in a good shift today.

sanchez was decent, but is not being a difference maker currently. Still not bad either.

Valencia, solid. Nothing spectacular.

De gea. If there was any player who should be breaking shit in the dressing room right now, it's him.

lingard was buzzing around. not enough end product though.

Herrera was completely out of position for the second goal. And I hate the habit that all our players have of raising their hands for offside when the ball is still in play. Play till the whistle is blown, men.

The performance was an improvement over the last game. Over to the Burnley game.

Fred and Pogba loses the ball to often. Pogba because he tries the impossible when he should not, Fred because he turns into opposition players all the time and does not have control over who is around him. Fred, like Sanchez and Herrera, has effort and tries but don't success. Not a good shift.

Valencia holds the ball for to long and is, like last season, still a one trick horse.

Sanchez will never flourish in a team that does not have a systematic appoach on how to attack.

Smalling should start, as he is the only central defender we have that is not either weak (Lindelof) or a chain of mistakes (Jones and Bailly). He is the only hope within our central defence at having some consistency.

Shaw was good. Similar level to how he performed before the legbreak.

Best tactical game from Mourinho for some time. In this match he would have been justified for blaming individual errors for losing.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Odd game.

A lot more effort today, didn't play like a team trying to get rid of a manager. But it was all a bit huff and puff, there wasn't any quality or organisation to it. Shambolic defensive mistakes though, lack of concentration and some absolutely woeful positional play again.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

It was more watchable but it was still all hectic and chaotic energy. It is not a well coached or structured team, and hasn't been for the majority of his time here.

This is what I don't get, Jose is what he is, he sets teams up meticulously, and defends well before anything else, tonight he just seemed to forget all that, it was a million miles an hour, and we just looked so disorganised at times, it was very strange to see.

 

[reddaz71]

Pochettino came with his job interview suit. Just give him the gig.

Get that portuguese fraud out of here

Haha he would need to bring with him Trippier,Sanchez,Vertonghen and Aldeweireld because that defence is light years better than the one he would inherit!

 

[xplatformjedi]

Why are you screaming?

For the right system, yes we need transfers. A good defense wins you titles.

Were you upset when Jose settled on the likes of Bailly and Lindeloff then? I mean, why go for unproven talent two years ago then all of a sudden want to spend big on 30 year old defenders?

I thought the idea was, when Jose came in...he knew how to coach defenders. We already had the best keeper in football with Jones and Smalling as ok defenders by EPL standards. Rojo was showing signs of being a better CB than he is a LB.

Yet here we aren't into his 3rd season and the defense looks worse than it did two years ago.


And MATIC. He's a pretty good CM...but I'd say his defending is subpar as well. Do we buy another CM because other Jose signing isn't quite good enough. How about Lukaku? Rumors were that he was looking at coming to United prior to Pogba coming here...but until we can confirm that Jukaku is just another Jose signing that isn't quite good enough.

And you want to trust him with more money?

 

[SkinteyRoed1958]

Our best performance for quite come time. Mourinho out fighting. Passion from the lads. I see onwards and upwards tbh

 

[Fosu-Mens]

cool story .....jose out

While i don't disagree with your statement, sacking him based on a match we should have won statistically, is wrong. If we have those numbers for every game this season we challenge for the title.

Sacking him based on:

1. Lack of player improvement/developement.
2. Lack of attacking play.

That is fair.

But i want Woodward gone a long way before Jose goes. Changing the manager will only be a short time fix, as the whole footballing department of this club needs a restructuring. And Woodward is not the man to oversee this.

 

[Slevs]

Were you upset when Jose settled on the likes of Bailly and Lindeloff then? I mean, why go for unproven talent two years ago then all of a sudden want to spend big on 30 year old defenders?

I thought the idea was, when Jose came in...he knew how to coach defenders. We already had the best keeper in football with Jones and Smalling as ok defenders by EPL standards. Rojo was showing signs of being a better CB than he is a LB.

Yet here we aren't into his 3rd season and the defense looks worse than it did two years ago.


And MATIC. He's a pretty good CM...but I'd say his defending is subpar as well. Do we buy another CM because other Jose signing isn't quite good enough. How about Lukaku? Rumors were that he was looking at coming to United prior to Pogba coming here...but until we can confirm that Jukaku is just another Jose signing that isn't quite good enough.

And you want to trust him with more money?

Show me a manager that has gotten every transfer right. Ffs man this isn't football manager.

Matic and Lukaku not good transfers? Are you serious?

 

[cyberman]

Our fans are phenomenal, absolutely ridiculous

 

[RedDevil@84]

Anyone who went to the game can comment on how the atmosphere was, during and after the game?

 

[AndyMUFC]

Very harsh result but if you're not good enough in either box that can happen. It's a shame as we did actually try and attack but just didn't take our chances.

Still backing Mourinho for now but he's got a big two or three weeks coming up.

Also, the fans were pretty outstanding. Quite a few walked out after the third goal but the ones that stayed continued singing and clapped the team off. Quality supporters.

 

[SqueakyWeasel]

Crazy that I felt for, 45 minutes today, I really felt that I'd got my fecking team back.

Ahhhhhhhh?

 

[nore1975]

7 of the starting 11 we’re inherited by Mourinho. For a JOSE team to be so defensively poor is curious. Curiously enough there are 7 players from the squad Pochettino inherited in 2014 left and 5 started tonight.
Shaw looks like he is showing promise. SMALLING mixed. Jones injury prone. Lack of creativity in midfield. Lukaku should have punished Rose and scored. Club looks to be at sixes and sevens.
Hard to know where to start in terms of a fix. Not sure Mourinho getting the bullet is the answer. No new player can be signed until Jan 19.

 

[redmanx]

I will say it again and again.

Salah scores that chance and we win the game comfortably. Aguero scores that chance and we win the game comfortably.

Lukaku does not. That's the difference.

I think Jose thought Lukaku would have the same impact in matches as Drogba had for him with Chelsea. Lukakus big and quite quick but hes nothing like as good, clinical, frightening and effective. The first half chance Kane had he buried, Lukaku needs half a dozen or more. Probably the most disappointing striker we've had since Ted MacDougall.

 

[freeurmind]

How many more managers are we going to go through before people accept that there is a problem with the way the club is being run? Mourinho's football may be boring but I've no doubt in my mind that he wants to win and that's more than can be said for the people at the top who care more about profits than trophies. We are quickly turning into Arsenal.

 

[Garethw]

Again...we needed transfers TO BEAT BRIGHTON? SEVILLA? HUDDERSFIELD?

COACH a little.

Stop talking sense mate.

 

[RedSky]

Interceptions:
Tottenham: 22
Manchester United: 9

Successful Tackles:
Tottenham: 23
Manchester United: 11

Almost have to pinch myself to remind me that we were trailing for close on 45minutes and yet Tottenham were far superior in winning the ball back. Exact same thing against Brighton, out fought on the pitch.

 

[tentan]

Pathetic performance. Mourinho needs to go, get it done quick before it's too late.

 

[freeurmind]

Our fans are phenomenal, absolutely ridiculous

Stretford End showed true class tonight.

 

[meamth]

I think Jose thought Lukaku would have the same impact in matches as Drogba had for him with Chelsea. Lukakus big and quite quick but hes nothing like as good, clinical, frightening and effective. The first half chance Kane had he buried, Lukaku needs half a dozen or more. Probably the most disappointing striker we've had since Ted MacDougall.

When we were chasing the game, Lukaku failed to control the ball most of the times too...infuriating really.

Wish we have prime Berbatov now.

 

[#07]

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

It’s definitely concerning. But to me it goes to show these players aren’t what some think they are. Which is why I’m not sure a new manager is the quick fix some think. We sack him now and it transpires players are the problem then we’re starting again. And with what manager?

I don't know, we just seem to have a manager who is on the way down, so it's hard to gauge where we are, but surely players who seemed so good for their previous teams aren't suddenly as bad as they are looking for us at times, this coupled with the seeming alarming regression from players like Rashford and Martial, must point to the manager been a big part of the issue just now.

To Jose's credit I actually think in the main he's bought well, he just can't get them to play well.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

How many more managers are we going to go through before people accept that there is a problem with the way the club is being run? Mourinho's football may be boring but I've no doubt in my mind that he wants to win and that's more than can be said for the people at the top who care more about profits than trophies. We are quickly turning into Arsenal.

We don't know what's going on behind closed door at OT. There are rumours and counter-rumours, but we don't know for certain. Things are such a mess, it seems to go beyond just one person or position. We have a lot of problems just now.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

That doesn't hold up. We need to spend more $$$ on players? Who on our squad wouldn't start at their position for Brighton, who we lost to. Sevilla had lesser talent...we played like crap. The lowest teams in the premiere league last year beat United at least once. EACH.

Stopping trying to fix the problem by spending when we're already spending. Spending helps you compete but good coaching helps you win.

Of course we need to spend more on players our squad is shit. We have no wingers no proper right back below average centre backs and one mediocre striker. Do you think Pep or anybody else could do much better with this squad? I dont.

 

[Posh Red]

Show me a manager that has gotten every transfer right. Ffs man this isn't football manager.

Matic and Lukaku not good transfers? Are you serious?

The guy has had plenty of money to spend. If a manager is not judged by his signings, or by how he improves existing players, what exactly is he to be judged on? Do you honestly think, had we signed Harry Maguire, that we'd have won the last two games?

 

[Billy Blaggs]

Anyone who went to the game can comment on how the atmosphere was, during and after the game?

I'd like to hear that too.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

Anyone who went to the game can comment on how the atmosphere was, during and after the game?

The fans were great and got behind the team. There wasn't any unpleasant atmosphere or anything of that kind. Only after the first goal went in could you notice a collective air of despondency. I think a lot of us then feared the worst; I know I did. After we went three down the place emptied sharpish, as you'd expect. Credit to Spurs fans too, who really made some noise and enjoyed their night. We stayed until the end, and, to be honest, there weren't many of us left in our section. Very subdued on the way out; I didn't witness much anger, just quiet concern more than anything.

 

[Orc]

See a bunch of people saying how you're not that down because you played better even if you've lost 0-3. Surely it should be just as concerning to you that Spurs didn't play anywhere near their best and won 3-0 at Old Trafford?

I mean, Erikson was brilliant for 2 of their goals but was very quiet for the most part. Kane didn't do much outside of his brilliant header. Dele was invisible. That's their 3 best attacking players not even being at their best and yet they've easily won. I've seen Tottenham play much better than that.

 

[redmanx]

Gutted to lose like this after that good first half.
The score flattered Spurs, there were nothing special, we gave them the goals.
I guess we can forget any run for title even maybe top 4.
Shaw MOTD again...

Exactly, Spurs were nowhere for 45 minutes, but second half once again individual errors cost us. Lukaku missed a sitter and Jones was at fault for Spurs first goal and the second was down to poor defending too. Herrera had a very good first half so I was surprised he was taken off, Smalling had some good moments but, like Jones, Bailly and Lindelof, he cannot be trusted not to fxxk up. If Lukaku had buried one of his chances the result would have been different. Luke Shaw played well too.

 

[Backrow Singer]

Anyone who went to the game can comment on how the atmosphere was, during and after the game?

Weird, bizarre, all those words come to mind IMO. Was good enough around me I'd say, particularly first half. Bit flat second half, picked up towards the end though. I'd imagine people in other areas of the ground would probably say it was mixed.

I just thought it was a really weird night. There's things I want to say but I don't really know how to say them. It feels like the season has been going on for months. We came out first half and we were doing things that we haven't done for 5 years and I'm not really sure why or what the reasoning behind them was. We end up with Herrera in a back three, players running everywhere, at times we looked cohesive and at times we looked like a bunch of school kids.

I just think we've got a situation where we're struggling in both boxes. On balance, I didn't think it was a 3-0 game but if you can't score and don't take your chances at one end and concede six goals in the manner we have in the last two weeks, you can't win games no matter how well or poorly you play. This isn't a new situation though, we have so many players who are so wasteful with the ball.

Have to say though that with the defenders we've got, we're always, always going to be up against it. They can't make an adaquete centre half between them. We throw men forward and they can't defend 1 v 1, they can't defend in tight areas, they give the ball away. Tottenham scored 3 goals tonight from nothing really and could have scored another couple from our mistakes. Suppose the difference is they took their chances.

Weird feeling around the place and I don't like it.

 

[Seagulls.vii]

Does not look like Jose and the team have given up
Keep the pride, the dignity and the unity

 

[peridigm]

This was from BHA. Did he have the same scowl tonight?