Some on here are so reactionary and spoilt. We aren't going to win every game and steamroller over every team in the league. Players have off days. It doesn't mean they are shit or not good enough. Today's match was frustrating but we totally dominated. I trust José is taking us in the right direction and maybe it's an idea to get behind him instead of having a dramatic meltdown every time we don't win.
PL D FA Premier League
Stoke City 1:1 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sat, 21 January 2017
Yup. Obviously not winning is annoying but we move on. A draw is ok. Losing would have been horrible. I liked the way we spent the last half hour camped outside their box. Very different to the many games last season where we dropped points with a really limp-wristed finish.
Annoying how the only post-match comment of Mourinho's to leak is some pointless plattitude about Rooney reaching the milestone.
We're just not very good.
I think we've been poor again recently and we seem to be getting worse. Our players that we're crucial to our better period are moving back out of form. We dominated the game but i thought our play was horrendous. So slow and laboured, bad touches, slack passing.
I thought these next few weeks were a good chance to put plenty of points on the board but now I'm thinking there's more slip ups on the horizon.
I thought these next few weeks were a good chance to put plenty of points on the board but now I'm thinking there's more slip ups on the horizon.
Annoying to drop points, but recovering late to get a draw always feels better to me than drawing from a winning position. Fantastic goal from Wayne to get the record. Still got 3 cups and not too far from the top 4, so plenty to play for.
Ah yeah.
Didn't see the match but it seems we had all of the possession without much penetration or much in the way of clinical finishing.
What we seem to have is a return to the "we will keep going to the end and not lose" mentality we had back with SAF.
Maybe not a great day on the pitch but the dippers lost and Jose is putting the United back into the squad.
What we seem to have is a return to the "we will keep going to the end and not lose" mentality we had back with SAF.
Maybe not a great day on the pitch but the dippers lost and Jose is putting the United back into the squad.
7th place Everton are now closer to us than we are to 2nd.
I like this post, be like bobcat
Pessimistic much haha
Matchday thread was fun.
'Not convinced with Jose', 'Pogba is garbage' and stuff.
'Not convinced with Jose', 'Pogba is garbage' and stuff.
And it's not even true.
It's always the same people who come out of the woodwork after a poor result, nowhere to be seen after a good one.
A few things that seem a little bit crazy to me:
We started Fellaini at all
We started Fellaini in a forward position (it's a bit like playing with 10 men)
We didn't start Carrick in this one when we don't need him mid-week
We replaced Mhiki at all
We replaced Mhiki before getting to see him link up with some of the more speedy front guys
Pogba and Ibra are untouchable (with all respect to them both)
… and finally, that Mark Clattenburg can ref professionally without that huge chip on his shoulder making some of his more important decisions "unbalanced" (for want of a better word) … oh, wait
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We started Fellaini at all
We started Fellaini in a forward position (it's a bit like playing with 10 men)
We didn't start Carrick in this one when we don't need him mid-week
We replaced Mhiki at all
We replaced Mhiki before getting to see him link up with some of the more speedy front guys
Pogba and Ibra are untouchable (with all respect to them both)
… and finally, that Mark Clattenburg can ref professionally without that huge chip on his shoulder making some of his more important decisions "unbalanced" (for want of a better word) … oh, wait
!Fair point i didn't notice i was looking at the 'live' league table. *If Spurs at least draw then.
Arsenal wouldn't be 4th then though.
1-1 at Stoke is not the end of the world and it was a fantastic strike by Rooney to rescue the point and break the record.
But....we look disjointed without Carrick, Pogba played too deep, we had nothing down the left until Rashford came on and we inevitably failed to breakdown a stacked defence with two forwards without pace or dribbling ability (Zlatan and Mata).
In conclusion, I think we'll need one more splurge to get us back competing at the top -Griezmann, an attacking left back plus a younger deep lying midfielder to replace Carrick. Wayne will probably leave and Mata should follow.
But....we look disjointed without Carrick, Pogba played too deep, we had nothing down the left until Rashford came on and we inevitably failed to breakdown a stacked defence with two forwards without pace or dribbling ability (Zlatan and Mata).
In conclusion, I think we'll need one more splurge to get us back competing at the top -Griezmann, an attacking left back plus a younger deep lying midfielder to replace Carrick. Wayne will probably leave and Mata should follow.
The irony is that this was perhaps our best match of the season - if you ignore the simple fact of scoring goals. We outplayed Stoke for almost 90 minutes - and this is not a bad Stoke-side.
Winning 5-0 would have given a more accurate result. So frustrating as hell yeah - but that Rooney-goal will be so important for a lot of reasons.
Winning 5-0 would have given a more accurate result. So frustrating as hell yeah - but that Rooney-goal will be so important for a lot of reasons.
If you had said this morning we would reduce that gap to Liverpool considering who we were both playing I'd have taken your hand off. Yet it feels like a missed opportunity again, especially considering the chances/possession we had. We are close, but not there yet though unlike the previous three years there is a definite sense of moving in the right direction.
What do we need?
1. A left back. Blind/Darmian offer nothing going forward
2. A replacement for carrick
3. Top top hard as centre back to partner Bailey
4. A lethal striker.
Seems like a lot and yes it is. But we won't challenge for the league until we address these areas imo.
What do we need?
1. A left back. Blind/Darmian offer nothing going forward
2. A replacement for carrick
3. Top top hard as centre back to partner Bailey
4. A lethal striker.
Seems like a lot and yes it is. But we won't challenge for the league until we address these areas imo.
Haha Enough said really then
Didn't watch the game, computer died at the climax, but glad we got the point in the end. It is better than nothing. Some people are going overboard, teams always have dips in form during the season. It is up to us to make sure too much damage isn't done during those times. We do need a striker though. I worry about Smalling and another midfielder so we can rotate, Herrera is getting flogged to death.
Yeah, 5 points behind 2nd and 5 points above Everton. People making things up as they go along.
Yeah we would be 4. Not huge but still not in a position to be dropping points.
2 points dropped... thought our build up play was too slow which allowed stoke to handle us comfortably
And well done wazza... special moment
And well done wazza... special moment
Terrible two points to drop. Once again, we squander chances in front of goal and squander a chance to close in on top 4 with the Scum dropping points as well.
Stoke were jammy as hell, no way they deserved anything from that game, but our terrible finishing let them off the hook.
Pogba and Mkhitaryan were bad today. Anyway, onto the next one I guess.
Stoke were jammy as hell, no way they deserved anything from that game, but our terrible finishing let them off the hook.
Pogba and Mkhitaryan were bad today. Anyway, onto the next one I guess.
For me this was always a transition season and that what it's proving to be. I'm prepared that it might take another couple but once we are moving in the right direction, I'm happy.
Didn't see the game but BBC says we had 66% possession and 25 attempts at goal with 8 on target? Stoke had 1 shot on target and scored?
Again can't help but feel anything other than it's a matter of time for us to become unbeatably good under Jose.
Again can't help but feel anything other than it's a matter of time for us to become unbeatably good under Jose.
You watch teams like arsenal score from 1 shot on goal and its just soo frustrating
Don't agree with Mkhitaryan being bad. I thought Mata, Smalling, Ibrahimovic were our worst players.
Same as before play started with a tough away game at Stoke out the way. Obviously not the perfect result but it's not this top 4 hopes killer everyone seems to be thinking it is. We go on to next week now
Technically Stoke didn't put the ball in the net, we did it for them.
We improved as Pogba grew into the game over the first half, but were persistently sloppy in the last third. Stoke had zero ambition and no attacking plan, and we should have done so much better. Two points dropped for me.
Doesn't tell the full story really 1st half an hour we were terrible. Good last 15 minutes of the 1st half.
2nd half was spent camped outside their box with not much created really.
Exactly what I thought. Starting Mata and Fellaini was a mistake. They are players to bring on when you need a change in tactics.
I don't like us relying on Valencia's crosses as main source of a goal.
missed the match, seen some on here blaming the referee. How did clattenburg fair this time?
25 shots, 8 on target should be more than enough.
Why can we never win when other top4 Clubs lose/Draw?
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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25%
Antonio Valencia
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10%
Henrikh Mkhitaryan
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7%
Ander Herrera
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4%
Paul Pogba
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4%
Marcus Rashford
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2%
Marouane Fellaini
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1%
Phil Jones
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1%
Juan Mata
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 447 ratings.
Score Predictions
540,32,63
- Man Utd win
- Stoke win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 26% Stoke 0:2 Man Utd
- 24% Stoke 1:2 Man Utd
- 11% Stoke 1:3 Man Utd
- 9% Stoke 0:3 Man Utd
- 9% Stoke 0:1 Man Utd
- 7% Stoke 1:1 Man Utd
- 2% Stoke 2:1 Man Utd
- 2% Stoke 0:0 Man Utd
- 2% Stoke 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% Stoke 1:4 Man Utd
- 1% Stoke 0:4 Man Utd
- 1% Stoke 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Stoke 2:2 Man Utd
- 1% Stoke 2:0 Man Utd
- 1% Stoke 1:0 Man Utd
- 0% Stoke 3:1 Man Utd
- 0% Stoke 2:3 Man Utd
- 0% Stoke 2:4 Man Utd
- 0% Stoke 3:0 Man Utd
- 0% Stoke 3:4 Man Utd
- 0% Stoke 4:5 Man Utd
- 0% Stoke 5:5 Man Utd
- 0% Stoke 1:5 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Stoke
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 35% 65%
- Shots
- 6 25
- Shots on Target
- 1 8
- Corners
- 1 7
- Fouls
- 13 12
Referee
Mark Clattenburg
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Wayne Rooney
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replaced by Jesse Lingard
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replaced by Marcus Rashford
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