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Manchester United 1:1 Southampton

Post-match discussion


Sat, 12 February 2022

Lads let's just get use to being a mid table club. Until half that squad has gone and we have a proper structure from top to bottom in the club then we be in with a shout for the league title.

Clean slate now in the summer. New manager in who can coach and play modern football. Hopefully loads leave as contract runs out. Start from scratch. Will take few years but rather see a team play with a clear identity.

Going no where with this current squad. New coach needed and players to fit the new managers system.

Not big name signings, Need to move on from that.
 
Not a good game. Maguire will take the blame but it was Varane's man who scored the goal, but just like with Rodriguez midweek, he didn't even look at him. Instead, Varane stepped up on a midfielder, which made no sense. There was another play where Maguire is getting pelters that Varane should have stepped over so Maguire could step over to a winger, but he didn't. But Varane can't do any wrong. Don't get me wrong. I think he's good. But if Maguire was making the mistakes he's been making the Caf would be overloaded right now. But nobody has an agenda against Varane

The goal was all about Luke Shaw playing everybody onside. Not much to do with either Maguire or Varane.
 
2nd game in a row, where a mistake from Shaw costs us points. Against Burnley and Southampton, he is the reason why their goal was not offside - 100% same situations. I can understand that a central defender makes that mistake, because he can get in a situation, where he has to follow an attacker. But as a left back he has a full overview and should be able to take a step up.
 
Not a good game. Maguire will take the blame but it was Varane's man who scored the goal, but just like with Rodriguez midweek, he didn't even look at him. Instead, Varane stepped up on a midfielder, which made no sense. There was another play where Maguire is getting pelters that Varane should have stepped over so Maguire could step over to a winger, but he didn't. But Varane can't do any wrong. Don't get me wrong. I think he's good. But if Maguire was making the mistakes he's been making the Caf would be overloaded right now. But nobody has an agenda against Varane
His man would have been offside if was not for Luke Shaw playing him onside.
 
Southampton like nearly every team that play us have no fear and are confident they can get a win or draw at least. We are like every opponents guaranteed points, home and away. I feel Ralf is just another puppet, I don’t think he has any say over anything. He just looks lost and regretful.

We will be lucky to get 6th never mind 4th. Some people are in for a shock next month when we get hammered by the better teams. We are a joke and we won’t get rid of the shite players as usual as they are over paid, so we will be stuck with captain Maguire next season and McTominay as our midfield general and Rashford the pace merchant running down blind alleys, looking more glum than Martial.

So many players will leave or want to leave in the summer and no way this club has the ability to have an organised and productive window to combat this. I don’t think we have even reached our depth of despair yet, such a yesteryear club we have become. Luckily for the Glazers we are still relative to sponsors.

If I was Ten Hag I’d be hoping they offer the job to Poch and giving this place such a wide berth.
 
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I'm just drunk and sad. The state of our club is depressing. It's gotten to the point where i miss Michael Owen
 
2nd game in a row, where a mistake from Shaw costs us points. Against Burnley and Southampton, he is the reason why their goal was not offside - 100% same situations. I can understand that a central defender makes that mistake, because he can get in a situation, where he has to follow an attacker. But as a left back he has a full overview and should be able to take a step up.
Luke Shaw is not an intelligent player and he shows that time and time again. He could have even received a double Martinelli yellow.
 
Dalot was taken to the cleaners for their goal and refuse to give the early ball.

Dalot was left guarding 2 players because Rashford refused to track back. He went inside to cover because that is the bigger danger. He is not at fault anymore than anyone else.

I'll have to watch again but I don't think he had a clear path to pass early and when the path opened Elanga was offside. His eventual pass to Elanga could have been better but by then it was not a clear opportunity for goal.
 
It's strange how I feel almost no attachment to United anymore. The unlikeable squad, clueless board, the owners, stupid player recruitment, bad manager choices time after time, the Greenwood saga, the unproportionate focus on sponsorship deals etc.
Same here. We're actually not even a football club anymore. Just a commercial giant trying its best to squeeze out the cash. We've lost our soul long ago.
 
Ronaldo is a horrible footballer. Playing with 10 men every game. Does feck all defensively. Does feck all in link up. Does feck all in hold up. Gives it away constantly. Can't even get shots off anymore. Just fecking bench him until he retires. He's done and he's useless on the pitch.

And we were worried he would go to City? He costs us the budget for a DM.
 
Thought I'd come back home and we somehow would have nicked a win :(

Honestly, from what I saw I think we should keep going. Yes, we have a problem with scoring goals at the moment, but we'll figure it out - maybe not this season. I can see some structure to our play. We're just not getting the results and it's frustrating. Need to prepare better physically for next season. In the meantime, maybe just chill and put all the efforts into the CL games? I dunno what else to suggest with continuous shit results we keep racking up.
 
Good game by Sancho, Bruno okay, de Gea excellent once more. As usual, so many people have Maguire and Rashford in their sights now that they get an even worse rap than they deserve (which is saying something). Varane IMO to blame for Adams' goal, rashly pushing out to challenge the ball carrier, leaving Adams free to run into space behind him. Pretty similar to Maguire's cock-up against Burnley.

I think this is where I'm adjusting my expectations to "it's not going to happen this season". In the sense of not expecting any significant upturn during Rangnick's tenure. We'll muddle along to the end of the season, play in the Europa League next year. Pogba and maybe Ronaldo will leave, and there'll be a cloud hanging over much of the core from the past few seasons - Maguire, AWB, Fred, McTominay, maybe even Shaw and Rashford. Plus there's Greenwood. Prove me wrong. Please.
 
Like always, we don't control the midfield, we have no one who dictates play, who can run a midfield, we don't build from it.

Rice will not fix this.
 
We desperately needed cms in the summer, not just one but two, maybe three even. We probably needed another quality defender as well. But nooo we absolutely MUST have 36 year old Ronaldo. 500k per week is no problem. Scored a couple of important goals first half of the season which is great but his overall contribution to the team has been below par, to use kind words. And to top off the shitsandwich he is kryptonite to Bruno.
Him getting 90 minutes today is mindboggling.

So we were basically left with Fred, Matic and Mctominay for the cm positions. And that is extremely thin for a club of our size. And to top off that shitsandwich Ralf wants to play with only one of them, and that gives our oppos never ending amount of space to work with in attack which leaves the slowest player in the league with too much to handle. Luckily for us de Geas shotstopping is top notch.

Rashford can`t string two good decisions together to save his life these days. Doesn`t help either.

Sancho, Varane and Pogba pretty good again but they can only do so much.

I just wish i could care less about this shit.
 
All the pitchforks for Ronaldo atm. Do people realise that Cavani is injured, Martial is in Spain & Greenwood's a rapist? Ronaldo is having a rotten spell & is, surprisingly for him, clearly out of confidence & second guessing everything he does but we don't exactly have options at the moment. Same issue with McTominay - sure he sucks but we don't have anyone else.
 

/absolutely true. Same like when Klopp first introduced his pressing game. You have to finish the chances when you're on top. It's not easy to maintain that sort of energy for 90 mins, when clearly we didn't prepare physically in pre-season or what counted as pre-season with the Euro tournament messing that up.

Just to add, we need to keep going with this kind of play. It's going to be painful for the rest of the season, but I feel it's the right thing to do. Obviously some players will leave etc, but for those staying, it's vital they get used to this. In my personal opinion anyway.
 
Lads let's just get use to being a mid table club. Until half that squad has gone and we have a proper structure from top to bottom in the club then we be in with a shout for the league title.

Clean slate now in the summer. New manager in who can coach and play modern football. Hopefully loads leave as contract runs out. Start from scratch. Will take few years but rather see a team play with a clear identity.

Going no where with this current squad. New coach needed and players to fit the new managers system.

Not big name signings, Need to move on from that.

Feel we’re gonna be very disappointed about this in Summer. We’re notorious for keeping shite on, as it means the Glazers don’t have to fork out for a complete reset when the new manager arrives, which we’ve needed since day 1 of Moyes really.

If we don’t get 2 new CM, our biggest weakness, along with what I’d say is 4 additional players (2 at the front and 2 at the back), expect the same next season. Have we ever signed 6 players/half a first team? I won’t hold my breath.
 
I thought we played fantastic, was end to end and a great advert for the league. And another game undefeated.
 
Back to Jose Mourinho;s style of football. Lots of draws and the goalkeeper getting the highest ratings.
 
Front 3 let us down today, especially ronaldo and rashford. Shame really because our midfield are starting to progress the ball to the final 3rd alot better and more directly, pogba was huge and bruno had some nice passes aswell.
If players hang on to the ball for to long, there is no through ballmto be played. Yes, Ronaldo look bad but there is rarely a good early pass. I can think of Bruno's to Rashford and then Sancho's to Dalot but then Dalit killed that by not passing early. Then you see Elenga going offside because he's made a good run but the ball didn't get played early enough.

Did I mention Chris Armas sucks?
 
Says a lot about Mctominays influence in midfield, when we saw out the game with the midfield pairing "that will never work". He's just never there, in the right place on the field, as most good CMs are.

Sancho and Pogba were good though, not that is any solace.
 
Post match feelings, so a bit peeved still.Terrible second half... the substitutions were counter productive - we basically surrendered all chance for midfield control in order to have more strikers, but we could never get the ball moving upfield properly. I dunno where Bruno was supposed to play, he was all over the place. Rashford's touch was far too heavy, lost the ball a silly amount of times, made pointless crosses and lacked quality on the ball.

Defence was inconsistent. Maguire was both terrible and good at the same time and our left flank remains a big weakness. At one point I swear Maguire was furrher up the pitch than Shaw - both on the left flank - running back to catch Borja or someone. Ronaldo even ended up running back to our own third to make tackles in sheer frustration in order to win the ball back! Shocking.

Credit to Southampton though, tactically solid, made good changes - moving Romeu up to control midfield was clever - made very few mistakes and had quality in posession. We should have been able to deal with that, but no.

Just.. a really bad performance...this season is really not going well. Top four is probably gone and if we keep this up we'll finish mid-table. Just really disappointing really...
 
Ding ding ding. We are abject at stopping counters. Sit back in own half, wait for us to give the ball away, transition quickly. Rinse. Repeat.
I feel like I've watched basically the exact same second half 10 times this season. Pathetic from us.
 

And yet Rangnick left Lingard and Elanga on the bench until around 80 minutes.

I'd start either of them instead of Ronaldo on current form. Lingard, in particular, has a bit of experience as a striker in PL games. If all he's doing is making space for the wide men to cut into, that's more than enough.
 
Feel we’re gonna be very disappointed about this in Summer. We’re notorious for keeping shite on, as it means the Glazers don’t have to fork out for a complete reset when the new manager arrives, which we’ve needed since day 1 of Moyes really.

If we don’t get 2 new CM, our biggest weakness, along with what I’d say is 4 additional players (2 at the front and 2 at the back), expect the same next season. Have we ever signed 6 players/half a first team? I won’t hold my breath.
We will just never catch up with the top teams. We can’t improve quickly enough. By the time we sort the midfield and CF another part of the team will need attention.
 

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