[Amira]

We can’t know for certain who is pushing for who and whether these are 1st/2nd/3rd choices.

What does need establishing is what is John Murtough actually doing. Is he trying to establish a style of play that would be supported from Academy to First Team? Are the players we are signing at least part of a strategy (even if that strategy isn’t working currently)?

I’ve seen it brought up that we should’ve moved heaven and earth for Kane over Hojlund. While I can see the appeal of signing a superstar striker I just don’t think we were anywhere near ready to win. I’d like to see us genuinely commit to signing younger players who can grow together as a group.

Right now we should be planning on how to win a league title say 3-4-5 years from now. What would that squad build look like? Who wouldn’t be part of that because of their age/attitude/lack of talent.

Murtough is horrible at his job and needs to go and there’s clearly no long term planning going on here. There’s no footballing project. It’s really dire what’s going on above the manager.

However, whether they are 1st, 2nd or 3rd choices it’s also very clear to me that ETH has no business having influence over who we recruit. Just because a player is a 3rd choice doesn’t mean he should be so awful.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

ETH - So, just to be clear, he played McTominay at no10, so his no10 could play on the right wing, so his £80m right winger could sit on the bench along with his £50m central midfielder who can't play in central midfield. Then at half time he subbed off the central midfielder he signed to play in central midfield, so he could move his no10 who isn't a no10 into central midfield, so he could bring his central midfielder who isn't a central midfielder on at no10, so his no10 could stay on the right wing. He signed a left back on emergency loan so he wouldn't have to not play a left back at left back, so he could leave them on the bench so he could not play a left back at left back. You know if you're sitting on a plane, and the pilot keeps pressing random buttons in the hope the next one he presses will be the on button? At what point would you maybe think you should get off before he causes you to die? Because I feel like our players will maybe reach that point quite soon.

Well put.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

We’ve got the same goal difference as Forest now (-5) and worse than Everton (-4)!

 

[niima]

To those 70,000 attended the game:
After all the mess Glazers have done these years...
after all boycott boycott requests...
You still buy the tickets,you still buy the shirts,and you think your re supporting United,NO YOU RE NOT,!!!,You re just supporting the owners

Hope you re satisfied by the club situation

 

[Infra-red]

Once again City took mercy on us when they could have gotten five or six. The last time it happened, it signalled the end of the manager's time here. Hopefully will be the case again.

City have been largely playing in 2nd gear this season - I think it's a deliberate tactic to conserve energy for later in the season. 2nd gear was enough to comfortably beat United today, so there was no point in City exerting themselves unnecessarily to put 6 or 7 past us.

Performance and result were pretty much exactly as predicted. City are a very good side; United are a mediocre side in poor form. Not much else to say really.

 

[AndyMUFC]

Expected to lose, first half was okay in patches and we defended well overall but the second half was a shitshow.

We've got injuries but Ten Hag's decision making is baffling at times. Doesn't sound like Varane and Reguilon were injured, McTominay is still living off the two goals against Brentford but he was dropped last season and on his way out for a reason and sick to death of Rashford and Bruno constantly playing too.

 

[Shunty]

Result aside I’m all in with Eric ten Haag, this isn’t his issue never has been never will be, it’s the players and decades of bad decisions and recruitment. Reset button needed in every department from the owners down, but it’ll never happen. We’re 5hite now accept it and move on

 

[Macca7]

Dreadful.

Playing like a team full of strangers who met up in the carpark 5 mins before kick off.

This could be said after every game this season and it wouldn't be wrong.

 

[Baxquux]

Well put.

Exactly; and all the while our problems with being passed through and outnumbered even with our no 10 on the wing ostensibly dropping in to support, kept on occurring, whilst he left two of his most potentially dynamic midfielders on the bench and kept the CM who isn't a CM or a proper 10 on the pitch to anchor things and start our passing moves off - abilities which he has never shown himself to consistently possess...

 

[Baxquux]

Result aside I’m all in with Eric ten Haag, this isn’t his issue never has been never will be, it’s the players and decades of bad decisions and recruitment. Reset button needed in every department from the owners down, but it’ll never happen. We’re 5hite now accept it and move on

It can be (and is) both. A set up can be awful and a manager can still be more or less skilled to manoeuvring around its faults. Chances are that Pep, like SAF in the last days, would have squeezed at least one title win out of a similar side (albeit by vetoing one or two signings and proposing one or two more suitable technical players for similar money).

We're not even asking for that right now -it would just be nice to play with the same fluidity as Villa or a Tottenham side which Ange (new to the league) has been coaching for only a few months; to see evidence of a plan that also involves some emphasis upon movement and playing between the lines and having an off the ball shape with 'banks', and creating a few chances a game for our young CF. Asking Bruno or Eriksen to ping a few balls in now and again isn't enough, even though Rash should have finished the one chance, Hojlund made more of the Stones challenge/1 on 1. It's unnecessarily bad rather than simply limited by the ownership's own faults.

 

[rimaldo]

moan when we concede 6 against them, moan when we don’t. make your minds up.

 

[Gazautd18]

Recorded it to watch later not expecting much.
Just watched it.
Worse than expected.
Cheers lads!

 

[Shunty]

It can be (and is) both. A set up can be awful and a manager can still be more or less skilled to manoeuvring around its faults. Chances are that Pep, like SAF in the last days, would have squeezed at least one title win out of a similar side (albeit by vetoing one or two signings and proposing one or two more suitable technical players for similar money).

We're not even asking for that right now -it would just be nice to play with the same fluidity as Villa or a Tottenham side which Ange (new to the league) has been coaching for only a few months; to see evidence of a plan that also involves some emphasis upon movement and playing between the lines and having an off the ball shape with 'banks', and creating a few chances a game for our young CF. Asking Bruno or Eriksen to ping a few balls in now and again isn't enough, even though Rash should have finished the one chance, Hojlund made more of the Stones challenge/1 on 1. It's unnecessarily bad rather than simply limited by the ownership's own faults.

The players won’t play for him, same old bad habits creeping in, they play well for a small period then put up the white flags and bury their heads in the sand, they want him gone and they’ll get what they want. It’s rinse repeat every single season, look beyond this saying it’s both it’s not. It’s the bad players and years of neglect and recruitment. I’d rather get relegated than sack another manager.

 

[Red the Bear]

I'm tired robbie.

 

[Lord Zlatan]

Please leave this club, ETH.

please leave the caf

 

[Red in STL]

please leave the caf

After 1 post!

 

[tomaldinho1]

Please leave this club, ETH.

Jadon? New account?

 

[Godfather]

Result aside I’m all in with Eric ten Haag, this isn’t his issue never has been never will be, it’s the players and decades of bad decisions and recruitment. Reset button needed in every department from the owners down, but it’ll never happen. We’re 5hite now accept it and move on

Thank you. Your post and mentality shows exactly what is wrong at the club. Zero accountability. EtH had a huge part to play in that shit show of a transfer window and our crap recruiting. Yes our ownership is a total disaster but he is not doing a good job. Not at all.

Not that anything will be done about it, because hey let's just accept it right

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Onana - He was fine apart form when he came out to collect the ball then somehow ended up rolling on the floor without the ball and also not in his goal whilst also rolling the ball straight to a city player. At least two saves though that were far from routine.

Dalot - Where does he go? The second goal. Where is he? He's not in attack, he's not in defence. Where's he gone there? He does this all the time. Its like Where's Wally except it turns out he's on holiday in Bermuda so isn't actually in the picture.
Evans - Not that I thought he was one of the worst players, but anyone have any idea what "tactics" (as ETH put it), require picking Johnny Evans over Rafael Varane? The tactics of your mate bet £10 Evans would be in the line up?
Maguire - There goes the 110% win ratio or whatever it was.
Lindelof - So we signed an emergency left back, in order to avoid having to do something desperate like have to play Lindelof at left back for example, and then leave them on the bench so we can play Lindelof at left back? Ok. Definitely not concerning or daft in any way.

Amrabat - We also appear to have signed an emergency midfielder so we can either play them not in midfield or replace them with not a midfield at half time.
Eriksen - He played that one Beckham ball to Rashford, but unfortunately Rashford was able to get across and defend the situation from himself.

McTominay - I liked him better in the first half when he didn't really do anything football related but was far enough up the pitch for it not to matter as much.

Bruno - Playing on the right wing so McTominay could play in Bruno's position so McTominay could then have to move out of Bruno's positon so Mount could play in Bruno's position, so Mount and Bruno could then swap places, or something. I dunno it must have made sense to someone. Anyway he was shite. Disagreed with Neville's assessment that he was just going round trying to "do" everyone and somehow psychopathically controlled Antony into kicking someone.

Rashford - Somewhere there's a bunch of aliens playing buggs bunny and co at a game of football and one of them has stolen Rashford's ability.
Hojlund - Good first half, then in the second half Mason Mount was brought on to link up play with him.

Subs:
Mount - Did he touch the ball? I feel bad for him but I still don't know what he even does never mind what he's good at.
Everyone else - Came on late enough that I'm sparing them, apart from Antony who managed to be annoying.
Antony - Annoying.

ETH - So, just to be clear, he played McTominay at no10, so his no10 could play on the right wing, so his £80m right winger could sit on the bench along with his £50m central midfielder who can't play in central midfield. Then at half time he subbed off the central midfielder he signed to play in central midfield, so he could move his no10 who isn't a no10 into central midfield, so he could bring his central midfielder who isn't a central midfielder on at no10, so his no10 could stay on the right wing. He signed a left back on emergency loan so he wouldn't have to not play a left back at left back, so he could leave them on the bench so he could not play a left back at left back. You know if you're sitting on a plane, and the pilot keeps pressing random buttons in the hope the next one he presses will be the on button? At what point would you maybe think you should get off before he causes you to die? Because I feel like our players will maybe reach that point quite soon.

Gary Neville - There is still no button on my tv remote that causes nurses to come and escort Neville to bed once his anti dramatic medication wears off, and I feel like this is something Sky really need to address.

Haaland - He does some up City quite well. Obviously better than everyone else, yet somehow also completely uninteresting to watch or feel any particular way about at the same time.

 

[mjstokes85]

Fantastic result considering how dominant city were. Kept it under 5 which is staggering.

 

[Kinky Melinky]

Shaw and Martinez couldn’t play so obviously we weren’t expected to play any kind of decent football and have a proper go. Once the manager has a fully fit squad with no injuries whatsoever we’ll fly up the league and maybe even reach a positive goal difference.

Yeah damn those injured defenders for our lack of goals (I realise you were being sarcastic btw)

 

[GloryGloryUnited]

We are the Everton of Manchester.

 

[Sea-Cow]

There are one million horrible things about this match, but one of the worst is that City didn't have to get out of first gear and they still looked miles better than us, all across the pitch, in every position.

Its so depressing. Who knows what to do now.

 

[El Zoido]

Was in the Stretford End for this one, still going strong but you can tell expectations are low and we didn’t disappoint. It’s rough right now.

 

[Giggs' right foot]

There are one million horrible things about this match, but one of the worst is that City didn't have to get out of first gear and they still looked miles better than us, all across the pitch, in every position.

Its so depressing. Who knows what to do now.

That and the fact you could literally - without being hyperbolic - pick 4-5 players from their pitch, that would walk into our first XI.

 

[NewGlory]

On the day of commemoration of Sir Bobby they play with zero desire and zero tooth, on Old Trafford!

If that doesn't hurt or means nothing to you then you don't know anything about the history of this club or maybe don't care.

Any loss hurts, any loss at home with large score hurts, any derby loss hurts but today was not just any day and I have lost a lot of respect for our players and for Erik

 

[The Brown Bull]

Bad times. Feck you Michael Oliver though.

 

[golden_blunder]

You only just realised?

He is the oracle. What will really flip his noodle is when he realises that there is no defence

 

[Massive Spanner]

Onana - He was fine apart form when he came out to collect the ball then somehow ended up rolling on the floor without the ball and also not in his goal whilst also rolling the ball straight to a city player. At least two saves though that were far from routine.

Dalot - Where does he go? The second goal. Where is he? He's not in attack, he's not in defence. Where's he gone there? He does this all the time. Its like Where's Wally except it turns out he's on holiday in Bermuda so isn't actually in the picture.
Evans - Not that I thought he was one of the worst players, but anyone have any idea what "tactics" (as ETH put it), require picking Johnny Evans over Rafael Varane? The tactics of your mate bet £10 Evans would be in the line up?
Maguire - There goes the 110% win ratio or whatever it was.
Lindelof - So we signed an emergency left back, in order to avoid having to do something desperate like have to play Lindelof at left back for example, and then leave them on the bench so we can play Lindelof at left back? Ok. Definitely not concerning or daft in any way.

Amrabat - We also appear to have signed an emergency midfielder so we can either play them not in midfield or replace them with not a midfield at half time.
Eriksen - He played that one Beckham ball to Rashford, but unfortunately Rashford was able to get across and defend the situation from himself.

McTominay - I liked him better in the first half when he didn't really do anything football related but was far enough up the pitch for it not to matter as much.

Bruno - Playing on the right wing so McTominay could play in Bruno's position so McTominay could then have to move out of Bruno's positon so Mount could play in Bruno's position, so Mount and Bruno could then swap places, or something. I dunno it must have made sense to someone. Anyway he was shite. Disagreed with Neville's assessment that he was just going round trying to "do" everyone and somehow psychopathically controlled Antony into kicking someone.

Rashford - Somewhere there's a bunch of aliens playing buggs bunny and co at a game of football and one of them has stolen Rashford's ability.
Hojlund - Good first half, then in the second half Mason Mount was brought on to link up play with him.

Subs:
Mount - Did he touch the ball? I feel bad for him but I still don't know what he even does never mind what he's good at.
Everyone else - Came on late enough that I'm sparing them, apart from Antony who managed to be annoying.
Antony - Annoying.

ETH - So, just to be clear, he played McTominay at no10, so his no10 could play on the right wing, so his £80m right winger could sit on the bench along with his £50m central midfielder who can't play in central midfield. Then at half time he subbed off the central midfielder he signed to play in central midfield, so he could move his no10 who isn't a no10 into central midfield, so he could bring his central midfielder who isn't a central midfielder on at no10, so his no10 could stay on the right wing. He signed a left back on emergency loan so he wouldn't have to not play a left back at left back, so he could leave them on the bench so he could not play a left back at left back. You know if you're sitting on a plane, and the pilot keeps pressing random buttons in the hope the next one he presses will be the on button? At what point would you maybe think you should get off before he causes you to die? Because I feel like our players will maybe reach that point quite soon.

Gary Neville - There is still no button on my tv remote that causes nurses to come and escort Neville to bed once his anti dramatic medication wears off, and I feel like this is something Sky really need to address.

Haaland - He does some up City quite well. Obviously better than everyone else, yet somehow also completely uninteresting to watch or feel any particular way about at the same time.

that’s pretty funny

 

[Ibrahimorich]

Joke's on them. I didn't even watch it. Ha!

 

[Giggsyking]

I have one question,

How come this was the easiest game city played this season? They lost to Arsenal, Wolves and suffered in many games away. But somehow they have a walk in the park against us?

 

[tomaldinho1]

I have one question,

How come this was the easiest game city played this season? They lost to Arsenal, Wolves and suffered in many games away. But somehow they have a walk in the park against us?

Because we genuinely don’t play with a midfield

 

[sengineer]

Well put.

mind-boggling.

 

[GazTheLegend]

I have one question,

How come this was the easiest game city played this season? They lost to Arsenal, Wolves and suffered in many games away. But somehow they have a walk in the park against us?

Michael Oliver helps.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I have one question,

How come this was the easiest game city played this season? They lost to Arsenal, Wolves and suffered in many games away. But somehow they have a walk in the park against us?

It wasn't. We had them in the first half. The penalty changed the game.

 

[tomaldinho1]

It is a bit weird how the media are reacting to this to fan the flames. Most United fans expected a drubbing, our form and injuries this season are poor and we’ve been very lucky in basically every game we’ve got points in. We simply aren’t very good right now and City are a much better team.

Very bad peno call changed things and then we gave up. We also had some chances/bad luck first half. Kind of what we probably all expected deep down - we’d put up a bit of a fight, then they’d just control the game and pick us off.

 

[justsomebloke]

Onana our best player by some distance, which is pretty bad news when you lose 0-3.

God, this relentless, consistent mediocrity is grim.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Inching towards a sack ten Hag. Yet another managerial circus. Yet another stuck with old manager's players. The cycle continues. While everyone above the manager continue to behave like headless chickens

 

[Pjisared]

I wish people would get off Rashford back, he is under far to much pressure.
'Do i wear one gold earing or two and what colour will my next Rolls Royce be'

 

[redmanx]

Result aside I’m all in with Eric ten Haag, this isn’t his issue never has been never will be, it’s the players and decades of bad decisions and recruitment. Reset button needed in every department from the owners down, but it’ll never happen. We’re 5hite now accept it and move on

Im inclined to agree; its the players who fail to tackle, fail to make simple 10 yard passes, fail to focus, fail to mark, fail to defend, fail to get strikes on goal and fail to fight.