[Charlie Foley]

We’re like a shitter version of 01/02 United. Scoring a lot of goals in Europe, goalkeeper committing howlers

 

[croadyman]

3 in Munchen, 3 in Copenhagen and 3 in Turkey and not a single win

Yeah and a pathetic 4/15 points,no wonder we are relying on beating Bayern and needing a draw in the other game. Heard McTominay on MUTV say we will learn from this,oh you mean like the Galatasaray home game and Copenhagen away game where we threw it away.

Cannot understand any CAF members who want to finish third and get the hell of Thursday and Sunday football either.

Fair play if people can enjoy the utter chaos of this campaign. Scoring three goals three times away from home and getting 1 point is diabolical

 

[DickDastardly]

Did anyone mention their first goal was irregular?

Icardi should have been at least 1 m away from our wall?

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Gonana

Onana gonna nono. Onono indeed.

 

[Jeffthered]

Why do you not just camp out on your 3-1 lead and wait for the inevitable gaps on the counter? Craziness, should have beaten those shit cnuts twice and seen out the game against Copenhagen away.

This is the main point, being overshadowed by Onana errors. We have no playing or midfield strategy at all. We cannot control games and are wide, wide open. You can just run through our midfield, time and time again and it's been happening all season.

And ETH then says '... we need to control games better..'

Really? Well, you are the ****ing coach!!!! And it's been happening, game after game after game. We have conceded so many goals in Europe and they are certainly not all Onana's fault. There are some fundamental problems with how ETH is getting us to play and it will continue to be exposed by better sides. Everton had 24 shots against us and they were not even that good!

 

[pacifictheme]

When we went two nil up last night I thought that our season was just maybe starting to turn around.

It's not is it.

 

[Buster15]

What can the manager do if your GK is behaving like an open dam?

Drop him.

 

[DRJosh]

This draw and potential elimination from the CL doesn’t seem to hurt as much. There are signs of improvement. The weak point in this game was our GK. Our attacking play is actually shaping up nicely.

 

[Ibi Dreams]

This draw and potential elimination from the CL doesn’t seem to hurt as much. There are signs of improvement. The weak point in this game was our GK. Our attacking play is actually shaping up nicely.

There were encouraging signs, but once again we managed to snatch defeat (well, a draw) from the jaws of victory. It is worrying how much and how easily we let leads go. The game should have been over at 3-1.

 

[justsomebloke]

Utter chaos.

To try to take something away from it on the individual player level:

Onana - obviously a disaster game. A real setback after a string of good games that made him look like maybe he was finally settled.
Shaw - not a great performance. Lots of trouble down that flank. He hasn't brought greater stability to the defence so far.
Lindelof - tame game, at the lower end of his normal performance range. Not much in the way of creative passing.
Maguire - Good. He really deserves credit for fixing his game, with at least two new features now being seen regularly over a protracted period: An ability to stand up and break up attacks high on the pitch without making big errors of judgment, and an ability to pass forward quickly and well.
Wan-Bissaka - pronounced problems defensively, and assist aside not that much involved going forward. As it stands, Dalot looks the better option presently.
Amrabat - didn't mess up, but added nothing very useful. Did not strengthen his case for playing time.
McTominay - above his own average, and a good goal, but he is what he is. Not a stabiliser, and his impact is just limited.
Garnacho - another great goal, but as was the case against Everton, not really a lot more over the rest of the game. He's becoming a man of a few golden moments per game, although in this team who can blame him.
Bruno - the best he's been in a while, and finally up to his own high standards. Strong game.
Antony - up to his own low standards, as usual. There just isn't that much positive impact. Considerably less than Rashford, playing on the right.
Højlund - really not much in evidence. I wonder how long the positivity about him will survive - he still gets credit for things like making good runs into the box or making nice layoffs or pressing energetically but then, Wout Weghorst did that too.

Subs;
Pellistri - the usual; hard-working, energetic, ambitious, not much actual end product.
Mainoo - to me he was every bit as good as he was against Everton, though he lost his man on the third Galatasaray goal. Contributed considerably more in 35 minutes than Amrabat did in 65. To me, he's a starter until he plays himself out of that status.
Martial - some positives offensively, but messed up badly on the second goal. Better than most cameos we've seen from him this season, which is a very low bar.

 

[Siorac]

Score 12 and still have a -2 goal difference.

It's a remarkable achievement, if you think about it.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Drop him.

Wasnt he doing well before this game?

 

[Glorio]

Sounds like a direct go at Martial late on, or potentially McTominay in the first half. He was furious on both occasions.

100% Pellistri - idiotic performance

 

[Oranges038]

Any manager who knows how to manage would have solved the situation with Sanc ho for the good of the team

Any player who's on 300k a week who has any ounce of maturity wouldn't be staying up late playing video games and showing up late for training, half arsing it and wouldn't post shite on social media after being dropped for his behaviour. Would try and do better for the good of the team.

There's only one person in the wrong in that situation.

 

[Ayoba]

Still can't believe we let 2 goal leads slip away at Copenhagen and gala.

 

[Buster15]

Wasnt he doing well before this game?

That is quite true.
But I do wonder how many more howlers he has in him.
And I am not at all sure that his very slow play out is having a beneficial effect.
But you do make a very fair point.

 

[djembatheking]

Last night is all on Onana, you can`t have a goalie performing like that. He may have been statistically performing well recently but for any of us that watch him it is plain to see that his handling is extremely hit and miss and doesn`t inspire any confidence. It is a worry going forward but a team will never compete at the very top and challenge for trophies with a dodgy keeper.

 

[Offside]

Still can't believe we let 2 goal leads slip away at Copenhagen and gala.

Also a 2-1 lead vs Gala at OT in the final 20 mins.

 

[Real Name]

1st goal is ridiculous. Two of their guys stand in the middle of our wall and we just let them do it instead of pushing them.

 

[RuudTom83]

The in-game IQ is dogshit, yet the team is full of internationals all with experience of semi-finals, finals etc.

No real excuse for why they have no grasp on how or when to slow/control the game for 5-10 minutes.

 

[Hughie77]

You start great away from home again, then some one has to feck it up.. this time it was Keeper of the CL , most know what happened.. how are you supposed to get anywhere in CL especially , when you have a keeper who keeps making errors of the highest level.

 

[Hughie77]

Last night is all on Onana, you can`t have a goalie performing like that. He may have been statistically performing well recently but for any of us that watch him it is plain to see that his handling is extremely hit and miss and doesn`t inspire any confidence. It is a worry going forward but a team will never compete at the very top and challenge for trophies with a dodgy keeper.

Agree, the guys inconsistent and you need a more consistent player in that position that's why there hard to find good one.. Utd are fecked as ETH has brought him in and he's here to stay until we get another keeper?

 

[Denis79]

It's a remarkable achievement, if you think about it.

It's something alright.

 

[Ibrahimorich]

Not really that bothered. Played well and did enough to win if it wasn't for some poor individual mistakes. Bruno just as culpable as Onana for the first goal.

Overall we seem to be playing better and even scoring some goals which is nice to see!

 

[Wolfbot]

Last night is all on Onana, you can`t have a goalie performing like that. He may have been statistically performing well recently but for any of us that watch him it is plain to see that his handling is extremely hit and miss and doesn`t inspire any confidence. It is a worry going forward but a team will never compete at the very top and challenge for trophies with a dodgy keeper.

No it isn't! Ultimately he was responsible for letting in two shite free kicks he should be saving, and last night those were the shots that happened to go in. We conceded so many chances and ended up giving away those free kicks from having to desperately get back due to a huge chasm in the middle of the park.

To be clear, this is not a defence of a terrible goalkeeper but the bigger issue is in the fundamental way the team is being asked to play. If we continue to give other teams the freedom of the middle of the park and concede the amount of chances we do, we'll lose regardless of how good or rotten the keeper is.

 

[Wolfbot]

1st goal is ridiculous. Two of their guys stand in the middle of our wall and we just let them do it instead of pushing them.

That was mental, it was so obvious what they would do. Just have someone stand behind them so if they split the ball doesn't go through.

 

[IRN-BRUno]

All of our games in this group have been crazy, must be a great watch for a neutral. For that reason it never felt comfortable even with a 2-goal lead, the only surprise really was that we didn't concede a 4th at the end.

If Garnacho had stayed on though I think we win the game, give him the chances that Pellistri had and he surely takes at least one.

 

[Lee565]

How ironic is it that the worse two managers for united post fergie in Europe are both Dutch managers

 

[lex talionis]

How ironic is it that the worse two managers for united post fergie in Europe are both Dutch managers

Moyes and Ole are Dutch?

 

[tomaldinho1]

3 in Munchen, 3 in Copenhagen and 3 in Turkey and not a single win

Really has been a perfect storm.
Soft penalties, soft red cards, GK howlers, missing chance after chance.

The home loss to Galatasaray is what kills us though, win your home games and you basically go through.

 

[tomaldinho1]

How ironic is it that the worse two managers for united post fergie in Europe are both Dutch managers

ETH's last season is arguably our best post SAF (top four and a cup, which no one else has done), at worst it is 2nd to Jose's first season.

Worst manager by some distance is the one who wasn't a manager but we decided to employ him as such regardless.

 

[Ady87]

Can’t shake the feeling of disappointment after last nights game which is something I’ve managed really well for years. Assist and screamer for Bruno let down by 2 fouls for the free kicks. Felt like we played some good football and yet again it’s completely undone by the keeper. How can we score 9 goals AWAY in the CL and end up with 1 point?

Working in Liverpool I feel the heat more than most and it’s difficult getting trolled and having Garnacho and Bruno’s good work undermined by the mistakes.

Don’t agree with the subs last night btw, also wasn’t a fan of the starting line up but it was good enough to do the job.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

How ironic is it that the worse two managers for united post fergie in Europe are both Dutch managers

1) That's not irony
2) Even if it were, they're not our worse managers

 

[gerdm07]

Utter chaos.

To try to take something away from it on the individual player level:

Onana - obviously a disaster game. A real setback after a string of good games that made him look like maybe he was finally settled.
Shaw - not a great performance. Lots of trouble down that flank. He hasn't brought greater stability to the defence so far.
Lindelof - tame game, at the lower end of his normal performance range. Not much in the way of creative passing.
Maguire - Good. He really deserves credit for fixing his game, with at least two new features now being seen regularly over a protracted period: An ability to stand up and break up attacks high on the pitch without making big errors of judgment, and an ability to pass forward quickly and well.
Wan-Bissaka - pronounced problems defensively, and assist aside not that much involved going forward. As it stands, Dalot looks the better option presently.
Amrabat - didn't mess up, but added nothing very useful. Did not strengthen his case for playing time.
McTominay - above his own average, and a good goal, but he is what he is. Not a stabiliser, and his impact is just limited.
Garnacho - another great goal, but as was the case against Everton, not really a lot more over the rest of the game. He's becoming a man of a few golden moments per game, although in this team who can blame him.
Bruno - the best he's been in a while, and finally up to his own high standards. Strong game.
Antony - up to his own low standards, as usual. There just isn't that much positive impact. Considerably less than Rashford, playing on the right.
Højlund - really not much in evidence. I wonder how long the positivity about him will survive - he still gets credit for things like making good runs into the box or making nice layoffs or pressing energetically but then, Wout Weghorst did that too.

Subs;
Pellistri - the usual; hard-working, energetic, ambitious, not much actual end product.
Mainoo - to me he was every bit as good as he was against Everton, though he lost his man on the third Galatasaray goal. Contributed considerably more in 35 minutes than Amrabat did in 65. To me, he's a starter until he plays himself out of that status.
Martial - some positives offensively, but messed up badly on the second goal. Better than most cameos we've seen from him this season, which is a very low bar.

I'm glad someone else agrees that AWB, Garnacho, Hojlund and Shaw were pretty bad. MEN gave them 7, 8, 6, and 7, respectively and I usually agree with their grades. Very weird.

Garnacho plays like hyper 16 year old. There is just no nuance to his game.
AWB and Hojlund played like they were afraid of reinjuring whatever ails them. If that's the case, they should not have started.
Shaw just looked in a daze most of the night.

Amrabat looks to be a slight upgrade to Fred. He just looks so lumbering when he moves and does not have clean feet with the ball like Mainoo. Why were we going to spend 70m for this guy? I just don't understand our transfer decisions.

 

[Overhaul FC]

The in-game IQ is dogshit, yet the team is full of internationals all with experience of semi-finals, finals etc.

No real excuse for why they have no grasp on how or when to slow/control the game for 5-10 minutes.

In this day and age it's not about what IQ the players have. Its all about them adhering to set patterns and positioning for defensive and attacking transitions.

That's on the manager. There's a reason we're too open when in the lead. Many managers will tighten the team up. Ten Hag plays the same way winning or losing and it stacks the odds against us when closing out games. We've seen it far too often for it not to be based on instructions and tactics.

That being said.... Yday was on Onana. Two clear keeper mistakes for the first two. Two stupid fouls from Bruno too. It's too easy to pin yday on Ten Hag.

However I do think he should have played two players in CDM positions when we went 3.1 up. He left McTominay up too high and it meant we gave Gala the space to put pressure on us.

 

[Apokalips]

I'm glad someone else agrees that AWB, Garnacho, Hojlund and Shaw were pretty bad. MEN gave them 7, 8, 6, and 7, respectively and I usually agree with their grades. Very weird.

Garnacho plays like hyper 16 year old. There is just no nuance to his game.
AWB and Hojlund played like they were afraid of reinjuring whatever ails them. If that's the case, they should not have started.
Shaw just looked in a daze most of the night.

Amrabat looks to be a slight upgrade to Fred. He just looks so lumbering when he moves and does not have clean feet with the ball like Mainoo. Why were we going to spend 70m for this guy? I just don't understand our transfer decisions.

Who was going to spend 70m on Amrabat?

I've never understood why so many pre season kept on the "If we get Amrabat in things will improve" train, as if he was a Prime Carrick. Whenever people can only mainly bring up a players World Cup performances then you have to be careful.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Thinking back on last night - we were bloody unlucky. Onana individually cost us the game but we still should have won it. The other thing that I simply can't understand is how Torreira not only stayed on the pitch, but wasn't even carded? Then we get yellows for innocuous challenges like Amrabat's 50/50.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Being 2-0 and 3-1 up and not going on to win the game is just unacceptable. We're too easy to score against. Gutted.

It’s more annoying that two of their goals came from free kicks.
At least if they scored directly from running through us (which happened at times) you just say we’re shit, defensively embarrassing, structurally wrong etc.

We’re rehashing the goalkeeping conversation in the main as 2 of the 3 goals were easily preventable after the first mistake (the foul).

 

[gerdm07]

Who was going to spend 70m on Amrabat?

I've never understood why so many pre season kept on the "If we get Amrabat in things will improve" train, as if he was a Prime Carrick. Whenever people can only mainly bring up a players World Cup performances then you have to be careful.

The last price I remember was 60 something so a little more negotiating could have been close to 70m. I might change my mind (doubt it) but I think we dodged one with a loan instead of a purchase.

I was not excited about him but once we got him I wanted him to play with the hope he would be better than Fred and the poor Casemiro. He is, just not by much.

 

[gerdm07]

Thinking back on last night - we were bloody unlucky. Onana individually cost us the game but we still should have won it. The other thing that I simply can't understand is how Torreira not only stayed on the pitch, but wasn't even carded? Then we get yellows for innocuous challenges like Amrabat's 50/50.

Wasn't it Torreira that upended Lindelof? That should have been a yellow. The head on head foul to Garnacho early on should have been reviewed for possible red. It was clear Gala wanted to get dirty and the ref did not control it like he should have. There must have been at least 20 late fouls on our players from behind.