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Manchester United 1:2 Fulham

Post-match discussion


Sat, 24 February 2024

We got exactly what we deserved - Nothing!
Our mid-field is absent - in defence everyone pours through there and in attack Onana plays over them to avoid using them. Mainoo might be the future and Casemiro has a past but today they offered nothing.
I'm afraid Forson isn't ready yet. Amad showed a little bit of interest in playing. Maybe we should have played Rashford - Oh wait! He was on the team-sheet!
After 10 mins I was just wishing we had Martinez on the pitch. it wouldn't have cured the illness but it would have shown some fight.
 
Objective review. Dropped points were imminent. Look how long we’ve gone without a defeat.

Performance was crap. But in the last 10 minutes we were actually great. It was like United under SAF, can’t really blame anyone for Fulham’s second. It’s the risk you take when you go all out. If we had been the ones to score the secon it would have been vintage United. Also Amad looks good. Think we should start playing him more and phase out Rashford.

Bruno, kept shooting and wasting opportunities. I get the goal came from one of his shot but then he just started overdoing it.

ETH subs were pretty awful and left us without a proper midfield. Why not bring on Amrabat, or why take off Mainoo.
 
Fulham didn't even play well. That is the sad reality of where we are at as a football club, a team in awful form with players missing can turn up at OT and not even have to be at their best to get a win.

Do the right thing Jim. Set fire to the whole lot and start again.

Fulham were without their 3 best players. They would have cruised here with Palhinha and Willian.
 
Objective review. Dropped points were imminent. Look how long we’ve gone without a defeat.

Performance was crap. But in the last 10 minutes we were actually great.
It was because Fulham starting to sit back and defend their lead.
 
Lost faith in the manager can't lie

Aye mate same as myself. I lost faith 2 months back. And sure, we have done well the past month, but decent runs never last long. A couple of injuries and we are right back to where we were at. My main hope lies with Ratcliffe turning it all around but that will take time. It's likely we're about 4 seasons away from being where we should be, and that is assuming Ratcliffe hardly puts a foot wrong. I think if fans place that sort of expectation ahead of themselves there will be less disappointment experienced.
 
Oh noes, we are X amount of points from top 4 :lol:, imagine that being a worry after everything
 
Just found out that my cousin brought his teenage son to this match for his first ever Old Trafford visit.

I feel sorry for the new generation of United supporters those that has followed United the last decade. Sadly no quick fix to the mess the Glazers and their buddies have left this once great club in.
 
GHHjg-VWEAA2CEd
 
Are our midfield players told not to play in midfield?
I have not seen such wide open spaces in the centre for the opposition to run into in a long time.
 
What would we have done with our 2 best defenders and our top goal scorer.
It would have been a close game.
That is not the first time recently that Fulham have come to Manchester and been the better team.
 
Losses like this will keep happening. As will healthy runs of point collecting. Performances have still been garbage even if we were winning games. Too many average players so it’s no surprise. Need to see how things change over the next few years.
 
Our record with Michael Oliver as the referee is a disgrace. Have we ever won?

How was he today? Did he favour Fulham with absolutely every decision or were we just shit?
The latter, Oliver didn't really have any real decisions to make
 
What would we have done with our 2 best defenders and our top goal scorer.
We would have most likely still ceded the game to them but would have been more likely to score on a counter. Blaming injuries is a very poor argument in this case when Fulham were without their best 3 players themselves, and we should be able to cope with sides like that anyway injuries or not.
 
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We would have most likely still ceded the game to them but would have been more likely to score on a counter. Blaming injuries is a very poor argument in this case when Fulham were without their best 3 players themselves, and we should be able to cope with sides like that anyway injuries or not.
It was similar to Wolves at start of season in that they carved us open at will, when we had a full team. The constant whining about injuries is tedious. Fulham missing their best 3 players yesterday.
 
Losses like this will keep happening. As will healthy runs of point collecting. Performances have still been garbage even if we were winning games. Too many average players so it’s no surprise. Need to see how things change over the next few years.
Sorry its not just 'average ' players. Most of our 11 are seasoned internationals. At some point you need to ask why we are so badly coached and set up. Fulham exposed us from the kick off, but our genius manager does nothing. Again.
 
This was their second win away from home all season. Prior to yesterday Fulham had picked up 7 points in 12 away games, being only ahead of Sheffield in away table. They had not won away from home since the opening game of season which was nearly 6 months ago. Yet people still try to justify this with having 3 players out?

If this is acceptable and justifiable and we cannot be expected to beat one of the worst teams in the league, who are missing their 3 best players, in these circumstances, then our standards are at rock bottom.
 
This games depressed me! How do we win the games we’ve won away from home but can’t beat Fulham at home?! Villa and wolves are much tougher away and we won there. Don’t get it!
 
This games depressed me! How do we win the games we’ve won away from home but can’t beat Fulham at home?! Villa and wolves are much tougher away and we won there. Don’t get it!
Because the performance were not much better, especially Wolves. Scoring a few goals and being away seems to help us in terms of our wierd set up, but we still give the ball away constantly and our shape is awful,
 
Some of the games we lost or drew under Ole we actually dominated and deserved to win. You can’t say the same here… we’re getting outplayed and losing games.
 
It was a mistake to start with Forson. We might not have an other striker on the bench, but it would have been better to start with Antony or Eriksen.

Forson is not a young player I can see having a future in a PL-club.
 
Harry i thought was good even before the goal, so clearly our best player imo.
Onana was ok to good and same with Garnacho.
Dalot was fine in the first half and then at his worst in the second. The rest was poor except Rashford, Eriksen and McT who were horrible.
 
And i still have no idea how ETH wants us to play. Not possession based, and to play on counters the backline is to low and the midfield to alone.
Its all down to players to do something induvidually, on a much higher level than under Ole actually imo.
 
It felt like there was no urgency to make something happen other than when Garnacho got on the ball or Fernandes would try something with the usual mixed success. Shoutout to Dalot for the shot off the post too although he should have done better on the winning goal.

Fulham made themselves hard to break down which is what we should expect from every opponent and have the ability to overcome it. We did manage enough shots but we did not test the goalkeeper enough with them for having 21 shots. There was a good save from Garnacho's shot, Dalot's shot off the post and Bruno had a period of around 3 decent longshots 1 of which ended in Maguire's goal. Other than that the shooting wasnt good enough. Only 9 were on target, 6 blocked and 6 off target. Thats a lot of shots to have blocked and off target.

Despite the overall performance 21 shots should have been enough for us to get 2 or 3 goals and some points
 
These type of performances just keep turning up.

Impossible to defend or make excuses for.

Its on the players, for some unknown reason they can collectively decide to not turn up on any given day.

ETH has shown he is incapable of stopping such performances.
 
It was the passing that pissed me off after Casemiro went off, it was like they all had shellshock. 5 yard pea rollers at 2mph until somebody decides to switch it and passes it straight to a Fulham player. It's all well and good talking about defending set pieces better but if you actually play as a team, with an appropriate level of intensity, you don't lose the ball or concede the set piece in the first place.
 
So, Shaw and Højlund out, and at once we're back to where we were before February - a hard slog against a bottom half team, with the result plausibly able to go either way. This time it went the wrong way, as occasionally it will when we're not a better team than that.

It's starting to become more visible I think who the players are who carry the team, in the sense of elevating us to the sort of side that mostly doesn't end up in that kind of slog against teams like Fulham. Garnacho I think showed yesterday he's one of them. So, in a way, did Højlund, through how the attack functioned without him. Casemiro and Maguire I think plainly aren't. Then there's a few who can play well enough when the team is functioning, but who won't be the ones to elevate it when the key cogs are absent - Varane, Dalot and yesterday at any rate, Lindelöf, who actually had a pretty good game. Mainoo at his age will be inconsistent in that role, it is to be expected.

The ones who would have carried us not long ago are Bruno and Rashford. I've been a big defender of both, but I really am starting to get a bit worried. While Rashford has been improved lately, he doesn't dominate the occasional game anymore. It just doesn't seem like enough. I'm not ready to give up on him, but it's hard now not to think that if there's a good offer, it should be seriously considered. And Bruno - he's still providing more than anyone offensively, and he works hard - I don't agree at all with those who think he's been less than good this season. But - what is worrying me is that it's now been a clear pattern for a while that he goes long stretches of games without really having much impact at all, and then it comes in bursts - usually in the last quarter of the game. Is he proactively pacing himself? Or has the inhuman gametime of previous seasons caught up with him? In any case, it's a concern.

Final observation; EtH open to criticism for his dispositions yesterday. I don't know what he sees from Forson in practice, but I do know what I've consistently seen from him in games, including the preseason: Pretty much nothing. I don't understand why he's preferred over Amad, who's looked promising every time he got minutes. But beyond that, his first substitution (McT and Eriksen on for Casemiro and Forson) was obviously ill-considered: We immediately lost our grip on the game, and didn't regain it until he made a further adjustment bringing on Amad for Mainoo.

Anyway, so much for CL qualification. At least much of the competition for the final certain EL spot (6th) dropped points too.
 
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This games depressed me! How do we win the games we’ve won away from home but can’t beat Fulham at home?! Villa and wolves are much tougher away and we won there. Don’t get it!
Lack of consistency has been going on for years. Who can forget the Manchester Derby whereby a City win would crown them champions and were 2-0 ahead at half time and United would fight back to win 3-2. The following week United would lose and not score at home to already relegated West Brom.
 

Graphics like this provide so much more context than the overall xG reported at the end of games to determine the quality of the team's performance. The final numbers might suggest we were unlucky not to score a second, when in reality we were below Fulham for the first 89 minutes of the game -- and with Maguire's finish being into an open night, that dramatically inflates xG. It's incredible to me just how bad we were yesterday.
 
How many times in the past 10 years have we had a setback and heard that “it will take 3 or 4 years to get to the level of City or Liverpool”?

10 years later and we are further behind than ever. Still playing awful football with a squad full of misfits and no leaders on the pitch.

If a bad actor, say Tom Cruise, took over a club at the top and was given the task of turning them to cack I reckon he would struggle to achieve what has happened at United. It would be Mission: Impossible.
 
Had a feeling Fulham could turn us over, Hojlund out made it the turning point, Shaw out plus Martinez ..Lindelof no Left back at all CM all over the shop.. nothing at all in that game . Deserved nothing got nothing.
 

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Possession
57% 43%
Shots
21 17
Shots on Target
9 5
Corners
10 9
Fouls
6 11

Referee

Michael Oliver