[Fts 74]

With every poor performance, the pressure on ole is ramped up in the media just look at some of the reports from last Sundays game and we deserved to win, with today's defeat the knives will be sharpened Big time.

With the players we have and the money he's spent, he's fast running out of excuses for dross like today.

I wouldn't be too fussed if we got rid now, he'd definitely leave us in a better place than when he came, but the time has come to get rid.

 

[Red Star One]

What a fecking bummer I’m so sad for that loss

 

[evil_geko]

It is black and white. Find someone else who agrees with you and come back to me.

Nah, you can come back to me when you actually advance your thought process there.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

No it's chow. Like in bye! We say that in my neck of the woods as a polite send off.

Sorry. I did actually realise, but was worried in case there was a chance our game would have been on the Sunday. If it was early or at 3 we would still have been rubbish just a bit later in the day.

 

[Counterfactual]

We accumulated a lot of xG by shot volume, but the problems become obvious when you look further. Only 0.26 of our xG from shots were on target and we had 13/28 of our shots blocked! Villa had 1/7 shots blocked.

I posted this elsewhere already but I saw a United side basically playing under a basketball-style shot clock. Too often we were desperate to get a shot off on every attacking move, regardless of the number of defenders in the way. We needed a lot more patience out there today.

I am usually loath to criticise any forward for shooting, but Mason needs to learn to pick his moments. Too often there were three or four defenders between the ball and the goal when shooting.

I'm probably going to get pelted for this, but does having the crowd back create pressure to shoot on sight and pass too quickly?

 

[Che Guevara]

United better get Conte in asap. Ole is clearly cracking under pressure and is now just like a rabbit in the headlights. And now claiming the Villa goal was offside!

 

[justsomebloke]

Nope, I shouldn't go support someone else, this has nothing to do with Ole, just good old justice. Tired of watching constant shit and us getting away with it.

Nothing strange, I just like that we get what we deserve, tired of getting points through lucky bullshit.

Nope, nothing mental about that idiot mate, I have nothing against Ole like many do, this isn't me hoping we lose every game so manager leave, I just like that we get what we deserve, tired of bullshit, cheerio..

There's a fundamental problem there, mate. Because as far as I know, what we had before this game was 4 wins and a draw in 5 games. Following on a 2nd-place finish in the PL, to say nothing of an all-time PL away unbeaten streak record. Which is kind of hard to square with the description "watching constant shit". Unless it's you who are lacking in a sense of reality.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Spot on. Everyone played like it was a fecking preseason friendly. Where as Villa players gave it all in every duel we have players that tippie toe around them and dont put in a fecking shift

I usually defend him, but this one is on Ole. Cant win shit at this level if you're not willing to give 100%

Young Boys was one thing, we would have won that comfortably had it not been for the red card and i dont really give a toss about the reserves losing in the league cup, but this one really bolied my piss.

Ole needs to sort this shit out ASAP

I’m afraid, I’d say he doesn’t know how to fix it. No gameplan, no tactics, no plan whatsoever. I genuinely don’t know what style of play he is trying to implement with this team because there’s nothing or any glimpse of anything on what style of play Ole is trying to build? We are just heavily relying on individual brilliance week in, week out to get us out of jail and we all know that doesn’t last long as proven today. The club can throw another 150M at this team and buy a world class number 6 and that won’t change a thing! It’ll be the same issue time after time after time.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

What was the reaction of the fans at the end?

General shock or a anger at how bad that was

 

[TwoSheds]

United better get Conte in asap. Ole is clearly cracking under pressure and is now just like a rabbit in the headlights. And now claiming the Villa goal was offside!

The Villa goal is schoolboy defending from Pogba.

 

[Kearnkoff69]

Pathetic. With all the talent at our disposal and we were under the cosh, at home, for most of the match - and then lost to a last minute goal. We looked like the midtable side out there, not Villa.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

last 2 games or shooting has been shocking. The Bruno gaffe from the spot is proof enough

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Was my first game there for a while so I was very excited, my section were surprisingly patient.

Hope it was a good day despite the result mate!

 

[Red_toad]

Completely lacked tactics, world class players just running and following the ball. This defeat is on the coaches and manager.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Hope it was a good day despite the result mate!

Neh not really thanks though! That’s football though innit, can’t have the highs without the lows.

 

[antohan]

I'm not sure why people have a go at our defending. Bearing in mind we lost Shaw and Maguire, we dealt with that pretty well.

Losing Shaw probably did affect us going forward (although he hasn't been as influential as late last season). We looked more disjointed and once again started resorting to way too many hopeful shots.

Mason is playing exactly like he did last year in Cavani's first few games, i.e. all by himself. It was only after getting benched and watching him that he came back and clicked with him. Maybe needs the same now re CR9.

 

[evil_geko]

There's a fundamental problem there, mate. Because as far as I know, what we had before this game was 4 wins and a draw in 5 games. Following on a 2nd-place finish in the PL, to say nothing of an all-time PL away unbeaten streak record. Which is kind of hard to square with the description "watching constant shit". Unless it's you who are lacking in a sense of reality.

Lots of wins were far from "amazing performances", I am not "stats and points Andy", maybe when I was a young lad, now when I am older, I like to watch and enjoy football, not just hope for end result.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Sat in The Alchemist after the game.

• Average performance
• Pogba poor (not only one)
• Mason good though first two shots placed, odd
• Ronnie against big CHs is stupid
• Two defensive subs didn't help
• Ref was awful, the time wasting was the worst this season
• Too slow in moving ball forward
• No idea why Bruno changed pen strategy
• Villa weren't much better. Fans were shit, sang four times

 

[arthurka]

If I speak….

Your thought become clearer right?
I for one just don't have words to describe what I just witnessed.

 

[mitchmouse]

Hot take. WE haven't done anything as supporters but throw fits at the slightest wobble - hardly pretending he's not fit for the job.

I certainly get why Ole was hired and why he was kept on to manage a season without supporters. He'll get another half a season for me, maybe less. As I said in a previous post, our fixtures in Oct will be make or break IMO.

But if he comes out the better from those fixtures, he won't get nearly the credit for it as he does the vitriol for these losses.

Well, I praised him all the way through the game at West Ham. Praise when it's due, but I don't fall for all the smoke and mirrors from the club about knowing DNA and ending "toxic" atmospheres. I think he'll escape whatever happens in October - that will be viewed as a difficult period (it is, be we are Manchester United). If we are adrift of the top four after Christmas, not sure the board will have much choice

 

[Semper Fudge]

No it's chow. Like in bye! We say that in my neck of the woods as a polite send off.

You mean ciao, right?

 

[VidaRed]

Your thought become clearer right?
I for one just don't have words to describe what I just witnessed.

Manhandled.

 

[justsomebloke]

We accumulated a lot of xG by shot volume, but the problems become obvious when you look further. Only 0.26 of our xG from shots were on target and we had 13/28 of our shots blocked! Villa had 1/7 shots blocked.

I posted this elsewhere already but I saw a United side basically playing under a basketball-style shot clock. Too often we were desperate to get a shot off on every attacking move, regardless of the number of defenders in the way. We needed a lot more patience out there today.

I am usually loath to criticise any forward for shooting, but Mason needs to learn to pick his moments. Too often there were three or four defenders between the ball and the goal when shooting.

There's absolutely something there. We've not really gelled yet - still adapting to having Ronaldo around, perhaps? And I agree, Greenwood was clearly over-focussed on finishing today. His first big one, he could have set up Bruno for an easy tap-in, and it just went on in the same vein. We're no longer getting those clever little combinations inside the box - instead, we are shooting from long distances trough a crowded box, swinging in long-distance crosses or making too many aimless passes into the center of the box after breaking in from the flank, that finds no one.

Something like this was the chief thing I worried about over signing Ronaldo (ie, how it'd affect the rhytm, variance and coherence of our attacking game). I don't say that as a criticism of any shortcoming of Ronaldo's, it's just when you throw in a huge piece like that, the puzzle changes a lot, there's a lot of adaptation to do and it's not always predictable what the effect is.

 

[Member 58925]

We suffer a lot against a high press. It was the same against West Ham and Wolves.

But it's not just about our lack of press resistance. It's also the lack of effort to win the second ball.

United expected to win by divine right of their superior natural talent today. What we desperately needed was our players to work harder and not be so easy to dispossess. It makes us really vulnerable when being run at. Shaw, Pogba, Fred and AWB were all particularly poor at this today.

I think any midtable side with decent athletes is going to cause us problems unless something changes.

It’s the manager’s job to get that out of the players.

 

[b20times]

Grrrr.

 

[Glorio]

Bad start to the sports weekend - concerned about AJ now!

In fairness, this was a very poor performance off the back of other poor performances. The injured players were terrible so it's not like our rhythm was ruined - even if our ability to change things after the forced changes was hampered. It's a worry - we need to start looking cohesive. By the way, perhaps Greenwood is picking tips from Ronaldo - i.e. passing is for suckers. (not to be taken too seriously folks!)

For a team that had lots of pace before, we're now starting to look like we're lacking in that department - especially coming up against teams that leave spaces behind.

The manager and his team are going to come under lot's of pressure and rightly so if we don't mount a proper challenge and if performances don't improve.

 

[largelyworried]

You simply cannot keep putting out poor performances and expect to get away with it. I think as fans collectively we've been guilty of thinking that a performance is good as long as the result is good, but today reminded us this isn't the case. Good results follow good performances. If you play badly, you get caught out, even if it won't happen every week.

Same flaws on show again today. No plan. No game management. No control. Just look for our main guys to show their individual talent to make a chance, then let our finishers do the rest. And all too easy to disrupt by a competent tactical manager with a team of willing players. The idea that adding Ronaldo and Varane would make us better at both ends was always fanciful. Good teams aren't just a collection of good individuals.

So far we've played 8 games this season. We've had 1 excellent performance (Leeds), 2 decent performances (Newcastle, West Ham league) and 5 that were various forms of poor (Southampton, Wolves, Young Boys, West Ham cup, Villa). The league position so far has been a fig leaf covering up the fact that we've started this season poorly.

Nothing I've seen so far makes me think we're a realistic challenger in the league. Clearly, you don't just infer that from the maths of the situation, even if 5 points dropped in 6 league games is bad. But the simple fact is that we look no better this season than last season, while all our competitors have gotten better. The fact that we look no better despite a demonstrably better squad looks bad for the manager.

This season is panning out as I feared it would. I totally expect to win our next game and then go on a decent run during that tough set of fixtures, that's been typical of Ole's tenure. But the consistency of performance has eluded him almost since the start and so far this season nothing has changed. He hasn't shown any signs of going up a level this year. I think he's at his ceiling and what we have now from Ole is what we'll always get.

 

[croadyman]

It is very important to have mindset when you play soccer, I dont see this when we play against any team, always start athe match with a mess. Anyway all of this wont help, just in my opinion, works better on improving the timing of the substitutes "no need to wait til the end of the match", Always remember you have a really good team OLE in comparison to others. More importantly, some players requires to do more intensive efforts otherwise everything will stay the same, mentality needs a lot of work and to be maintained.

Yeah and then we keep hearing about the need to start better but feels like there is nothing ever being done to change that

 

[Passitlikescholes]

The players shouldn't be escaping criticism for this result. Their performance was atrocious. Passes weren't hit with enough force, they tried little flicks to each other, which didnt find its mark, when a proper pass would've been more effective.

A very sloppy, arrogant performance where they expected it to happen without an ounce of hard work.

 

[Yorkeontop]

You mean ciao, right?

I had that coming. We get away with the incorrect spelling around here.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Well, I praised him all the way through the game at West Ham. Praise when it's due, but I don't fall for all the smoke and mirrors from the club about knowing DNA and ending "toxic" atmospheres. I think he'll escape whatever happens in October - that will be viewed as a difficult period (it is, be we are Manchester United). If we are adrift of the top four after Christmas, not sure the board will have much choice

I am the same. I will praise a good performance and criticise a bad one. That is how it should be.

 

[justsomebloke]

Lots of wins were far from "amazing performances", I am not "stats and points Andy", maybe when I was a young lad, now when I am older, I like to watch and enjoy football, not just hope for end result.

And? Do you expect every win to be an amazing performance? That's never the case, for anyone.

If you sincerely believe what you've seen from this team over the past couple of seasons to be utter shit, that's.....just not reasonable, sorry. It isn't. Not the results, and not the football. You're going to continue to be disappointed, with this manager or the next.

 

[HerbT]

There's a fundamental problem there, mate. Because as far as I know, what we had before this game was 4 wins and a draw in 5 games. Following on a 2nd-place finish in the PL, to say nothing of an all-time PL away unbeaten streak record. Which is kind of hard to square with the description "watching constant shit". Unless it's you who are lacking in a sense of reality.

No offence mate but you should look at your results because you’d had 3 wins and 2 loses in your last 5 games before today.
Take the pink tints off and you’ll see that you’ve now had 3 losses in the last 4 games.

You’ve got a great squad, maybe the best in England and certainly the highest paid in England so it’s no surprise that your support expect better.

 

[noodlehair]

There's bad performances and off days but that was genuinely embarrassing.

Haven't seen anything as inept as that possibly since Moyes. Maybe under Jose but only after he was basically trying to get sacked.

Looked like we'd never had a single training session

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Are we at the stage of the season already where "supporters" are willing the team to lose just so they can get in some random "world class" manager?

feck me. We played like shite but maybe you should go support someone else.

Lazy & cliche.

 

[redmanx]

How many times are we going to have this array of hard luck stories?
Against young boys it was the red and Lingards screw-up.
Different excuses in other games.
Villa at home is a must win if you have even the humblest of aspirations.
We made Matt Cash look like prime Cafu.

Im not offering excuses, these things happened and were beyond the managers control. Villa played out of their skins and deserved a point at the very least. At times like this you hope your "big guns" will perform, today, not for the first time, too many of ours didnt; even Bruno who normally is an absolute shoe in to score a penalty, today blasted his kick over the bar; when did that ever happen before? Greenwood seemed to think he had to score to the detriment of others in better positions who might well have scored if he had passed to them; Pogbas ball control and passing was poor and Ronaldo wasnt getting the ball in positions where he could go on and score. Too many players not playing or being allowed to play at their best; should Ole dump them all for the next game, or persevere in the hope that, even though they will have off days, they dont all have them at the same time? Ive said before that if at the end of this season we have still not won a major trophy or at the very least finished a close 2nd in the Prem and reach the final of the CL and/or the FA Cup, Ole should resign; its only September, he deserves the chance to see if he can take the team he has built further; or not. I believe he can.

 

[justsomebloke]

No offence mate but you should look at your results because you’d had 3 wins and 2 loses in your last 5 games before today.
Take the pink tints off and you’ll see that you’ve now had losses in the last 4 games.

I over-optimistically assumed it would be obvious that I was referring to the Premier League.

 

[Member 58925]

I'm probably going to get pelted for this, but does having the crowd back create pressure to shoot on sight and pass too quickly?

It shouldn’t if the players buy in to a concise, well drilled attacking game plan that they execute with confidence. It’s a byproduct of for the most part everyone just doing their own thing in attack

 

[Withnail]

Nah, you can come back to me when you actually advance your thought process there.

On your high horse as well. Such an advanced thinker. I'm in awe

 

[Annihilate Now!]

There's bad performances and off days but that was genuinely embarrassing.

Haven't seen anything as inept as that possibly since Moyes. Maybe under Jose but only after he was basically trying to get sacked.

Looked like we'd never had a single training session

Yeah struggling to think when we last that inept, especially with the quality we had on the pitch.

Villa were rubbish and beat us.