A lot of the 67% who didn't vote for Rash as a MOM would probably argue that he was crap. It is baffling to see how little he is rated. Yes he was crap last season but that was the rest of the squad too.
PL W FA Premier League
Manchester United 3:1 Arsenal
Post-match discussion
Sun, 04 September 2022
A lot of the 67% who didn't vote for Rash as a MOM would probably argue that he was crap. It is baffling to see how little he is rated. Yes he was crap last season but that was the rest of the squad too.
Very good win and a good performance. Arsenal had their moments but there were not too many occasions where De Gea had to make any outrageous saves. The back 4 is working very well and long may they stay fit and continue to perform at this level.
Eriksen and Bruno were phenomenal. We need to wrap both of them in cotton wool and give them enough rest.
With Antony's presence now on the right wing, we now have legitimate threats on either side of the wing and that provides a chance for our forwards to find themselves in space when defenders are double/triple teaming the other forwards.
The subs were on point from Ten Hag too. Fred and Ronnie were introduced at the right time to bring the energy and fresh legs. Thought both did exceptionally well when they came on.
We need to keep the momentum going.
Up the Reds!
Eriksen and Bruno were phenomenal. We need to wrap both of them in cotton wool and give them enough rest.
With Antony's presence now on the right wing, we now have legitimate threats on either side of the wing and that provides a chance for our forwards to find themselves in space when defenders are double/triple teaming the other forwards.
The subs were on point from Ten Hag too. Fred and Ronnie were introduced at the right time to bring the energy and fresh legs. Thought both did exceptionally well when they came on.
We need to keep the momentum going.
Up the Reds!
Was anyone else bricking it when Maguire came on?
Eriksen is that guy.
Eriksen is that guy.
Brilliant Win....fvck the Gooners
Yeah combined with City dropping points, won't be easy getting GD back in 5 mins and still need a midfield metronome but definitely progress
Thanks both. Keano is such a fecking legend.
Great win.
We've got to get better at controlling the game. There's periods of play where we look really good and have a stranglehold on the game. Then there's periods where we can't string 2-3 passes together to ease off opposing pressure.
But some good progress since the Brentford disaster.
We've got to get better at controlling the game. There's periods of play where we look really good and have a stranglehold on the game. Then there's periods where we can't string 2-3 passes together to ease off opposing pressure.
But some good progress since the Brentford disaster.
Or maybe you need to start watching games and learning about football....I'll reiterate, it's a useless stat
I think n those periods, its our inability to win back the ball and move it into less dangerous zones that is our issue. I think this is where Casemiro will eventually come in
Antonys goal is phenomenal, began with some possesion and a 1 2 to de gea and Arsenal started to move up the pitch and we really made them pay.
What I don't get is why people keep saying we hit them on the counter... Only our second goal can be considered a counter. For the other two we had possession and Arsenal had ages to set up proper defensive shape, they just left huge holes in there and we cut thought them in a couple passes. That's just bad defensive shape, it's not the same as when you lose possession after overcommitting and getting countered.
Brilliant tactical performance and team spirit win
They were better in parts.
Let's not get carried away kids. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that, we still saw maguire come on and pick up a yellow before he even played the ball.
Great win though
Great win though
I find this annoying too! It's like everyone wants united to score counters so just assume they were. The first was a brilliant bit of play after resetting with De Gea and the third was off of a United throwing? Last time I checked a counter attack is countering something?
You should try to grasp the meaning of probability, variance and chance
In a strange way, I think it’s the bench that’s going to make the difference this season. Whether we rate them as starters or not, coming in at the right moment in games is gonna make the difference.
Its considered counter attack play because we had posession after winning the ball deep in our half. Amidst Arsenal increasingly pouring forward to attack as they dominated possesion. Opening holes for us to easily exploit with precision posession whenever we go it back off them. Text book transitional play.
I am deeply, deeply shocked to see an interview where Wilshere, Owen and Scholes claim that Odegaard does not make a free kick on Eriksen. I can't understand it at all. 2 hands in the back pushing him so he falls + hitting the leg and not the ball at all. I really don't understand English pundits. The 2 Danish commentators (including former Liverpool player Jan Mølby) believed that it was a clear free kick.
We didn't though, the 1st and 3rd goals weren't off the back of winning the ball deep at all.
The second goal isn’t even a counter
It’s calmly played out by Dalot from a nothing ball that doesn’t disrupt Arsenal structure or anything. It’s just sped up from Eriksen and then Bruno plays a ridiculous through ball.
The first goal is fired in from Eriksen in a deep position but we aren’t countering anything. Third is played around the right hand side before a clever through ball.
Fans are confusing direct play with counters and it’s weird. If you move the ball quickly it doesn’t make it a counter. If you play the ball in behind it doesn’t become a counter because you’re running into space
edit we really had no business scoring that second goal. It really was fantastic
Thank you! For it to be a counter you surely have to be countering something. It was just excellent direct football.
Fantastic result, and in combination with the struggles of several other big 6 teams, leaves us in a position few (certainly not I) would have imagined just 4 rounds ago.
So, where are we really now? We've become a team that's very hard to score against - just 2 goals against in 4 games - and those were by the 2nd and 4th highest scoring teams in the league. We work hard. We're deadly on the break. Ronaldo sits on the bench every game and stands up and applauds when someone else scores. We're improving a little every game, pretty much across the board.
On the other hand. We really don't have much of an offensive game, other than quick breaks. Our xG is a measly 9th AND we underscore it. We're 9th in goals scored too - 8 in 6 games. And there were long stretches today when I was thinking that we were outclassed. We had nothing like the fluid attacking game that Arsenal did, and except for the first 12-13 minutes and after our second goal, they looked by far the better team.
In short - it feels and looks very much like we're back at peak early Ole. I'll take that gladly, as long as the results and the improvements keep coming in, and as long as we eventually evolve into a team capable of more dominant offensive football. It doesn't feel like a stretch to expect that, it's the kind of football we know EtH wants and is able to implement after all. But we're not a top team yet I think.
So, where are we really now? We've become a team that's very hard to score against - just 2 goals against in 4 games - and those were by the 2nd and 4th highest scoring teams in the league. We work hard. We're deadly on the break. Ronaldo sits on the bench every game and stands up and applauds when someone else scores. We're improving a little every game, pretty much across the board.
On the other hand. We really don't have much of an offensive game, other than quick breaks. Our xG is a measly 9th AND we underscore it. We're 9th in goals scored too - 8 in 6 games. And there were long stretches today when I was thinking that we were outclassed. We had nothing like the fluid attacking game that Arsenal did, and except for the first 12-13 minutes and after our second goal, they looked by far the better team.
In short - it feels and looks very much like we're back at peak early Ole. I'll take that gladly, as long as the results and the improvements keep coming in, and as long as we eventually evolve into a team capable of more dominant offensive football. It doesn't feel like a stretch to expect that, it's the kind of football we know EtH wants and is able to implement after all. But we're not a top team yet I think.
Anyone else surprised by how good Jesus was for them? He never played that well anytime I saw him for the Bertie’s
Neville saying they gave the ball away in a poor area. It’s literally to our RB who isn’t a danger at all. I honestly couldn’t think of a so called safer area to give it away in apart from smacking it out of play
Probability doesn't win games. Finishing, agility, anticipation, shooting, heading and positioning are skills that do. A team can be better at shooting from distance, better at floating crosses, driving through the middle or the flanks. On the other end of this, a defense also has skills that make it more difficult for shots, chances and getting in the box are more difficult. Some teams defend better in the box, some prefer are better at completely shutting opponents out of the box, some prefer to let them play on the flanks, others prefer shut them out of it. xG + xA does not truly take strategy and ability into account, and therefore is pretty useless when analyzing a game on its own.
Great win but again no control of game, lucky against the teams bar Liverpool we've beat.
Midfield is still a major problem
Not convinced
Midfield is still a major problem
Not convinced
The 3 goals came from:
- A united attack that Arsenal cleared and United reset by playing the ball back to DDG
- Arsenal making a poor pass to Dalot in the right back position
- A united throwing in their own half
Hardly Ronaldo, Rooney, Park at the emirates
Even disregarding results, it's just so nice to once more be proud of the team as a fan. For so long, it was impossible to like this team. They acted like they hated being here. Now there's passion, dedication an genuine effort. You can tell they're serious about the club again.
You guys are in the “still improving” stage with a new coach and several new players, and you already look to be playing at a very good level.
Lots to be excited about for United fans this year.
Eriksen has always been class. Seeing him come back with Brentford was nice, but seeing him step up and play at this level again for a team like United is fantastic. One of my favorite players.
Lots to be excited about for United fans this year.
Eriksen has always been class. Seeing him come back with Brentford was nice, but seeing him step up and play at this level again for a team like United is fantastic. One of my favorite players.
Feck off back to Woolwich, you Gooner frauds! Losing to these feckers was not an option for me today, so I am so happy.
Watching all these gooners 'taking the positives' from the game despite getting smashed is a joke. That's how deluded they've become.
Watching all these gooners 'taking the positives' from the game despite getting smashed is a joke. That's how deluded they've become.
The definition of a counterattack is an attack that progresses quickly after regaining the ball and leads to a finish within a short time, and I don't see how the second goal doesn't meet that - it's five passes and slightly more than ten seconds from our regaining the ball deep in our own half until it's in the net. That's a counterattack by any reasonable definition?
You're right about the first and third though. And you're right that it's important to distinguish between counters and direct attacking.
Interesting point, I just find it uncomfortable calling it a counter attack considering Arsenal literally had 11 players behind the ball when Dalot received it.
Interesting point, I just find it uncomfortable calling it a counter attack considering Arsenal literally had 11 players behind the ball when Dalot received it.
I think that's quite often the case when you lose the ball? I don't see what that has to do with whether this is a counterattack or not? Means it was a pretty nifty counterattack though!
I think he is thriving being the main man. Some players just thrive when given that opportunity.
I guess I just imagine a counter attack as actually countering something? Like in my mind counter attacks look like that Ronaldo, Rooney, Park goal those years ago. Not someone giving a stray pass away to the full back with 11 players still behind the ball.
But maybe I need educating on the proper definition. Im unsure.
Let's keep Fred out of that. He was very good indeed after coming on today. Which is more than can be said of Maguire.
those tears are yummyThis is the top entry that google throws up:
THE THEORY A counter-attack is a fast and direct attack that occurs from a moment of transition (when one team wins the ball from the other mid-game). Counter-attacks consist of minimal passes and their purpose is to create a goal-scoring opportunity before the opposition can recover their defensive shape.
You can find lots of other ones, but all saying pretty much the same thing.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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31%
Marcus Rashford
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9%
Scott McTominay
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4%
Bruno Fernandes
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2%
Diogo Dalot
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1%
Raphael Varane
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1%
Antony
Player Ratings
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Score Predictions
214,40,68
- Man Utd win
- Arsenal win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 33% Man Utd 2:1 Arsenal
- 14% Man Utd 2:0 Arsenal
- 14% Man Utd 1:1 Arsenal
- 6% Man Utd 3:1 Arsenal
- 6% Man Utd 2:2 Arsenal
- 6% Man Utd 1:2 Arsenal
- 4% Man Utd 1:0 Arsenal
- 4% Man Utd 3:0 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 1:3 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 0:2 Arsenal
- 2% Man Utd 0:3 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 3:2 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 4:1 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 2:3 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 5:1 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Arsenal
- 1% Man Utd 4:0 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 5:0 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 5:2 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 1:4 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 8:0 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 9:0 Arsenal
- 0% Man Utd 0:5 Arsenal
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Arsenal
- Possession
- 39% 61%
- Shots
- 10 16
- Shots on Target
- 6 3
- Corners
- 2 5
- Fouls
- 13 9
Referee
Paul Tierney
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Casemiro
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replaced by Cristiano Ronaldo
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replaced by Fred
