Post match v Liverpool

We never set out to control possession for the reasons already stated. But we did try to stop them playing via applying pressure in a coordinated way and things were working out tactically and their early pressure had started to fizzle out. Fred then made a positional error which cost us the first goal. But tactically we were doing exactly as I thought we would against a high pressing Liverpool team at Anfield and had opportunities to score.

Had we tried playing out from the back against a Liverpool team who are good at applying high pressure we would've also lost the game imo. The tactics are only as good as the players who are there to execute them. Erik ten Hag wants to play dominant front foot football and has brought his Ajax to a stronger Liverpool at Anfield in recent years and more than competed against them and even had the bulk of possession. But the difference is that those players were coached by him for several years and those players (starting with the keeper) are adept at building play through the thirds.

Losing 7-0 is unacceptable, but when you concede 6 goals in the second half due to players either giving up or capitulating mentally, then a inquest needs to take place internally. And the only way we will successfully transition into a more proactive team is by upgrading the keeper, RB and CM in the first phase of the build up or else we'll carry on having problems against teams who apply a well coordinated pressing game.

Oh yeah looking at today we need to absolutely rip up that theory this team only needs to sign 3 players for first XI because clearly it's much more
 
We aren’t avenging this loss for a long time most likely never,course he shouldn't be sacked but should be putting the players through a living he'll for this. Without any doubt worst ever performance in the history of our club

It's an awful performance yes (although the score is ridiculously harsh), but there's no question in my mind that he's going to come down extremely hard on the players, and that we'll see a reaction. The only way to soften this result is to make sure that it's remembered as an outlier in a season we finished above them in the league, and won a couple of trophies to their none.
 
They may still win a title or beat us to top 4, I don't know. We just fecking kick started their season.

Yep.

They might even win the PL the way they're going. :rolleyes:

Feck sake.
Get a grip.


It was a freak result for them too.

They're losing their next 4 games, mark my words.
 
So they won their cup final after all.
On a different day we score 2 in the first half and it’s a different game.
Not forgiving the disaster that was the second half but every bounce of the ball went in their favour and fair play they made it count.
One of those days I’m afraid.
Forget about it and move on.
Win on Thursday and we keep going.

it’s weird any other season and I’d be apoplectic with this result but ETH has a lot of credit in the bank and an odd circumstance like this can always happen.
 
Worse as those score lines happened in 3 consecutive matches v them, they will make it as 16-0 in 3 matches including a 7-0 at Anfield or some sort of shit like that.

Edit - not 3 consecutive matches, forgot our 2-1 victory over them this season. Yayyyyyy.
I was genuinely hoping we’d beat them well today. The hope that kills you.
 
So they won their cup final after all.
On a different day we score 2 in the first half and it’s a different game.
Not forgiving the disaster that was the second half but every bounce of the ball went in their favour and fair play they made it count.
One of those days I’m afraid.
Forget about it and move on.
Win on Thursday and we keep going.

it’s weird any other season and I’d be apoplectic with this result but ETH has a lot of credit in the bank and an odd circumstance like this can always happen.

this. Thank you
 
Yep.

They might even win the PL the way they're going. :rolleyes:

Feck sake.
Get a grip.


It was a freak result for them too.

They're losing their next 4 games, mark my words.

Ok, holding you to that. I'm still waiting for them to calm down from that Barca CL game a few seasons ago. They were a properly shit team until that game. Klopp teams ride on momentum.
 
It's an awful performance yes (although the score is ridiculously harsh), but there's no question in my mind that he's going to come down extremely hard on the players, and that we'll see a reaction. The only way to soften this result is to make sure that it's remembered as an outlier in a season we finished above them in the league, and won a couple of trophies to their none.

Even with 2 trophies (forget FA,maybe Europa) this result will forever stain this club just like those 4-0 & 5-0 defeats last season
 
Yeah just laughable how many are just brushing off our worst performance in history
Nah it's laughable the people are calling the players and manager shite after this one performance.

The same fans that were lauding the likes of Shaw, Martinez etc. are now labelling them shite and questioning Ten Hag.

One bad performance does not define this team and what its achieved thus far. Am I gutted? Yes and so are many others but it doesn't take away from the progress we've made in such a short amount of time.

Only thing that's certain is that we need investment and we need it badly.
The only thing pissing me off is not this loss but the club sale being in limbo.
 
I avoided posting about this game for a few hours and took a step down just so I could allow the emotions im sure we're all full of by now to simmer down somewhat but even then I'm not going to lie, the after shock still feels as ever present , I felt quite confident going into this game in fact I never felt more confident against Liverpool since quite some time but even then still aware of the possibility to lose against them, it's Liverpool after all and it's their stadium even in their most dire state they've raised their game against us, it's their nature but to lose in the manner we did is a very very bitter pill to swallow.

Today felt like a gut punch after what felt like an long uninterrupted period of growth and progression, this was a game of unraveling proportions one that could possibly end many seasons so to come back from it will be an extremely hard task for our players one that could possibly make or kill our season but it's of paramount importance to remember that growth is hardly an smooth process, there will be many more pitfalls in our way back to the top and it's vital for the team to put that past them and trudge forward.

As for the players in the immediate present I hope they've gotten the rollicking they deserved, the performance was shameful , to lose in this manner to Liverpool of all teams is never acceptable and would never cease not to be, they need a long period of introspection.

Hopefully we'll have recovered by Thursday in time for our europa match, it might be worth it taking it more seriously, a chance at silverware never hurts.
 
We aren’t avenging this loss for a long time most likely never,course he shouldn't be sacked but should be putting the players through a living hell for this. Without any doubt worst ever performance in the history of our club
The previous Anfield was just as bad, probably worse in terms of creating chances first half. The Ole final Watford game was worse- utterly disorganized from start to finish. This was a combination of diabolically good luck for them, a breakdown after the two quick 2nd half goals, and overplayed players against a Liverpool side desperately up for it and (with a alleged history of skirting of the boundaries of legality when it comes to PEDs for that matter)...
 
First half was level enough, possibly we should have been 1 or 2 up.
If we go into the 2nd half winning then this doesn't happen, but even then, no idea how it happened.

One of the worst performances from Shaw I've ever seen. Anthony , absolutely awful.

We always bottle Anfield recently, no idea what it is.

I do think ETH will make an example of a few players now for Thursday night. Expect to see AWB & Malacia start along with Sabitzer & Sancho at a minimum
 
Gifting them 6 points every season :rolleyes:

Bite little fishies
Tbh, I feel like you are more angry at us than trying to troll. Same as how I feel about Everton bottling it against Liverpool every year.

You want us to win and we want you to win and we both bottle it. At least we beat at our place.
 
Nah it's laughable the people are calling the players and manager shite after this one performance.

The same fans that were lauding the likes of Shaw, Martinez etc. are now labelling them shite and questioning Ten Hag.

One bad performance does not define this team and what its achieved thus far. Am I gutted? Yes and so are many others but it doesn't take away from the progress we've made in such a short amount of time.

Only thing that's certain is that we need investment and we need it badly.
The only thing pissing me off is not this loss but the club sale being in limbo.

I didn't say anything about Erik being sacked because remember drubbings under Fergie (not this bad admittedly).

My point is these players need a taste of what hell they put us through today and that for me is military style punishment in training. That way they won't be putting another shit showing in at Anfield EVER again.

So are you team Ratcliffe or Jassim?
 
Even with 2 trophies (forget FA,maybe Europa) this result will forever stain this club just like those 4-0 & 5-0 defeats last season
Perhaps yes - but only for people who have short memories………..
They can have their day in the sun, but the long term view belongs to us.
They can sing all they like about a 7-0 for years, when we are moving a long way ahead with the trophies. Will be a shallow “victory”
 
The previous Anfield was just as bad, probably worse in terms of creating chances first half. The Ole final Watford game was worse- utterly disorganized from start to finish. This was a combination of diabolically good luck for them, a breakdown after the two quick 2nd half goals, and overplayed players against a Liverpool side desperately up for it and (with a alleged history of skirting of the boundaries of legality when it comes to PEDs for that matter)...

Nope this is worst ever without a doubt,how dare we just utterly surrender against those scouse bastards it's unforgivable on so many levels
 
Even with 2 trophies (forget FA,maybe Europa) this result will forever stain this club just like those 4-0 & 5-0 defeats last season

I disagree - it'll be awful, but those defeats last season were home and away, in a season they finished way ahead of us and won some trophies, so it was consistent dominance rather than an aberration. If we finish above them this season, win a couple of trophies, having beaten them at home, then the defeat today will matter so much less. How we bounce back from today will decide what lens it's viewed through in the future.
 
I didn't say anything about Erik being sacked because remember drubbings under Fergie (not this bad admittedly).

My point is these players need a taste of what hell they put us through today and that for me is military style punishment in training. That way they won't be putting another shit showing in at Anfield EVER again.

So are you team Ratcliffe or Jassim?
No i agree with you I was speaking about some other members on here today calling for Erik's head or questioning our squad.
It's a bad day but we move on.

I'm team 'whoever puts the interest of the playing squad first'. Whether it be Ratcliffe, Jassim or Jesus himself though I think he may have taken a day off today cause feck me 7-0 still has me shook and its early afternoon already.
The team comes first and you'll have my vote.
 
No i agree with you I was speaking about some other members on here today calling for Erik's head or questioning our squad.
It's a bad day but we move on.

I'm team 'whoever puts the interest of the playing squad first'. Whether it be Ratcliffe, Jassim or Jesus himself though I think he may have taken a day off today cause feck me 7-0 still has me shook and its early afternoon already.
The team comes first and you'll have my vote.

Fully team Jassim unless I see anything from Ratcliffe to suggest he has big plans for stadium and training facilities which I have seen zero evidence of so far
 
It’s not isolated, this will follow us every week now.

I'm not saying this is isolated, I just back us to recover from it and go on to more success/consolidate top 3 this season.

It's fecking horrible to swallow today, but we've made enough progress to not be brought back down to where we were in August.
 
Perhaps yes - but only for people who have short memories………..
They can have their day in the sun, but the long term view belongs to us.
They can sing all they like about a 7-0 for years, when we are moving a long way ahead with the trophies. Will be a shallow “victory”

Won't be moving a long way ahead after seeing the worst performance ever today even with mega investment from Qatar
 
Fully team Jassim unless I see anything from Ratcliffe to suggest he has big plans for stadium and training facilities which I have seen zero evidence of so far
Let's hope the American rats want to sell. I think Jassim would be good. Not a fan of Ratcliffe, not because his name starts with Rat but because he'll dump more debt onto the club.

Qataris or bust.

Im not terribly religious but I pray everyday that this club gets sold.
 
Won't be moving a long way ahead after seeing the worst performance ever today even with mega investment from Qatar
It’s like the last 20 games have been erased from your memory.
I’d take the odd 7-0 dicking if we win the majority of the other 19.
Easy to lose one’s head after this but you can’t deny the overall trend is positive
 
Let's hope the American rats want to sell. I think Jassim would be good. Not a fan of Ratcliffe, not because his name starts with Rat but because he'll dump more debt onto the club.

Qataris or bust.

Im not terribly religious but I pray everyday that this club gets sold.

Yeah I'm not religious either but praying they finally feck off from this club after 18 years
 
It’s like the last 20 games have been erased from your memory.
I’d take the odd 7-0 dicking if we win the majority of the other 19.
Easy to lose one’s head after this but you can’t deny the overall trend is positive

I an never taking an odd hiding especially not against those scouse scumbags
 
Yeah I'm not religious either but praying they finally feck off from this club after 18 years
I'll be more deflated at the news the club won't be sold than this 7-0 drubbing.
18 years of mismanagement with that clown Woodward at the helm.
I still can't get over the amount of money and time wasted. We could have had someone like Ten Hag years ago.
Sorry i'm going on a rant now
 
I'll be more deflated at the news the club won't be sold than this 7-0 drubbing.
18 years of mismanagement with that clown Woodward at the helm.
I still can't get over the amount of money and time wasted. We could have had someone like Ten Hag years ago.
Sorry i'm going on a rant now

Feel free to rant and you are spot on 18 years of mismanagement by the Toy Story puppet has cost us players and managers too
 
A horrible result, but in some ways easier to swallow that a 1-0 defeat we could have actually won. The snowball gathered strength and it was just one of those days when even if the ball bounced off their cock the ball would have been a postage stamp goal.

We can moan, or we can get drunk and move on. I recommend the latter.
 
I an never taking an odd hiding especially not against those scouse scumbags
Do you think Klopp loses any sleep about the villa 7-2?
Sometimes it happens.
Every shot goes in, every deflection rolls the ball into the opponent’s stride.
Either you get over it or you wallow in self pity.
your choice.
 
The 7 nil is even more atrocious when you think that Liverpool's annual whipping boys Evertons biggest lost was by 4 goals back in 2016. We lost by seven ...
 
Just caught the highlights and the goals conceded were terrible. Looked like the players were hungover or something. Slow to react and there was A C R E S of space for one of their goals down our left flank. Could park the space shuttle in there and would be some room left.
What a disaster.
 
Do you all not remember fecking Aston Villa scoring 7 against Liverpool three years ago? Freak results happen, everything they put on target went in, they deserved win but it was far from "deserved result". We move on, moaning does not help.
 
Confidence is a bitch. I think we were overconfident going into the match, but it was fragile. Yet, if we scored just one of those first half chances the match would've been completely different. Unfortunately Liverpool scored and after their second they just bubbled over with confidence. Us, on the other hand, wilted away, wondering how this could be happening.

This will be a bitter pill to swallow, but one that is needed, I feel.

Very good post. Exactly the way I see it too.
 
Meh. We are trashed from way too many games. Our squad is no where strong enough for the sheer number of games we've played so far this year. We've already played about 5 more games than Liverpool since Jan 1. We've won 13 games and they've won 5 in this time. Not saying this wasn't brutal but we need to look at the bigger picture.
 
The second half was the worst performance since I follow United (90s). Overall the most humiliating defeat considering our form and that it was against a rival. More disappointing than Ole's and LVGs defeats.
 
It’s like the last 20 games have been erased from your memory.
I’d take the odd 7-0 dicking if we win the majority of the other 19.
Easy to lose one’s head after this but you can’t deny the overall trend is positive
Ole had his winning streak too.
 
We never set out to control possession for the reasons already stated. But we did try to stop them playing via applying pressure in a coordinated way and things were working out tactically and their early pressure had started to fizzle out. Fred then made a positional error which cost us the first goal. But tactically we were doing exactly as I thought we would against a high pressing Liverpool team at Anfield and had opportunities to score.

Had we tried playing out from the back against a Liverpool team who are good at applying high pressure we would've also lost the game imo. The tactics are only as good as the players who are there to execute them. Erik ten Hag wants to play dominant front foot football and has brought his Ajax to a stronger Liverpool at Anfield in recent years and more than competed against them and even had the bulk of possession. But the difference is that those players were coached by him for several years and those players (starting with the keeper) are adept at building play through the thirds.

Losing 7-0 is unacceptable, but when you concede 6 goals in the second half due to players either giving up or capitulating mentally, then a inquest needs to take place internally. And the only way we will successfully transition into a more proactive team is by upgrading the keeper, RB and CM in the first phase of the build up or else we'll carry on having problems against teams who apply a well coordinated pressing game.
Errors will always be made. Fred made one error and we lost a goal. I don’t think you can blame the defeat on that. If our tactics were working and we were one or two goals up and you get basic individual errors maybe but apart from a couple of chances we weren’t on top.

I don’t agree that we don’t have the players to stop this Liverpool team from dominating the midfield. ETH didn’t select a midfield who could do it. Sabitzer should have played. Liverpool enjoyed playing against us and that shouldn’t have happened. As stated, the errors are, to some degree, caused by the tactics and team selection. Liverpool got their tails up and we fell apart.

I agree we need to strengthen, of course, I just don’t think we went about it the right way today.
 
The 7 nil is even more atrocious when you think that Liverpool's annual whipping boys Evertons biggest lost was by 4 goals back in 2016. We lost by seven ...

Yeah fecking disgraceful
 
Do you think Klopp loses any sleep about the villa 7-2?
Sometimes it happens.
Every shot goes in, every deflection rolls the ball into the opponent’s stride.
Either you get over it or you wallow in self pity.
your choice.

That was not against rival,also there was no fans in the stadium either so doesn't compare