Possebon to Santos

Not really. By no means did I mean that Pogatetz went on a mission to ruin him. But his leg-break definitely didn't help. There aren't many players who stay on the initial path after that type of injury - Ramsey hasn't been the same in my opinion, Eduardo isn't the same. Admittedly they are the only two examples from the top of my head.

It's no coincidence that since the leg break, Possebon has had a downward spiral into the abyss.

As I type this, I'm starting to realise what you meant by your comment but I'm not going to delete the above :lol: I admit, Possebon wasn't at Pogba's level or at Powell's level - but I thought he was pretty decent for a player of his age.
 
pocco said:
The idea that Pogatetz has done this to him is ridiculous. He never really stood out at all, I don't feel.
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He was out for one fecking month after that tackle. It's ridiculous to say that he didn't make it because of one month without football. Players his age had been out for much longer before and went on to have good careers.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Not really. By no means did I mean that Pogatetz went on a mission to ruin him. But his leg-break definitely didn't help. There aren't many players who stay on the initial path after that type of injury - Ramsey hasn't been the same in my opinion, Eduardo isn't the same. Admittedly they are the only two examples from the top of my head.

It's no coincidence that since the leg break, Possebon has had a downward spiral into the abyss.

As I type this, I'm starting to realise what you meant by your comment but I'm not going to delete the above :lol: I admit, Possebon wasn't at Pogba's level or at Powell's level - but I thought he was pretty decent for a player of his age.
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He didn't even break his leg, where does this myth come from?

He was out for a month after a bad tackle. Ramsey an Eduardo had broken legs and didn't play or train for a long time which definitely affected their development. It's not comparable at all. Being out for a month is nothing in football, pretty much all footballers were out for that long at some point in their careers
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Not really. By no means did I mean that Pogatetz went on a mission to ruin him. But his leg-break definitely didn't help. There aren't many players who stay on the initial path after that type of injury - Ramsey hasn't been the same in my opinion, Eduardo isn't the same. Admittedly they are the only two examples from the top of my head.

It's no coincidence that since the leg break, Possebon has had a downward spiral into the abyss.

As I type this, I'm starting to realise what you meant by your comment but I'm not going to delete the above :lol: I admit, Possebon wasn't at Pogba's level or at Powell's level - but I thought he was pretty decent for a player of his age.
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Agreed.

On Powell, I definitely see a good (potentially excellent) player in him but I'm not sure he's necessarily performed loads better than how I remember Possebon playing. My memory is admittedly fuzzy regarding Possebon, but I think the thing with Powell is more the variety of his attributes he's got in his locker by comparison as opposed to his actual performances being far superior. There wasn't so much variety with Possebon, although I do remember him looking very comfortable before his injury. He didn't look outstanding for his age but you could easily envisage a good player emerging there.

I'm really amazed he's gone down as far as the fourth division in any league, to be honest. That Pogatetz injury did seem a huge turning point - there's no way he was that level of talent before that. Maybe it was just the shock at that sort of challenge as opposed to the time he was out for. Scarred mentally, perhaps.
 
Sarni said:
He didn't even break his leg, where does this myth come from?

He was out for a month after a bad tackle. Ramsey an Eduardo had broken legs and didn't play or train for a long time which definitely affected their development. It's not comparable at all. Being out for a month is nothing in football, pretty much all footballers were out for that long at some point in their careers
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So the fact that he was promising before and poor afterwards is coincidence then? Fair enough.
 
Possebon had a chance to make it here, i even remember him playing for Italy u-21's. definately didn't think he would end up in the 4th division, he was more talented than this. Who knows what happened though, maybe he just lost that drive after leaving United.
 
In the first team he only had the courage to pass the ball backward. Dont think we missed out.
 
Pogatetz fukked him up, but something else went wrong with Possebon that led him to where he is now. The injury was bad, but it wasn't THAT bad. Something got in head and that was that.

A shame. The boy had the physical tools to be a very good player for us, a more polished version of Owen Hargreaves.
 
Wow.. when ex-United players say its always downhill after they leave United... they really mean it!

On another note, I really liked Possebon. Had good composure for someone so young.
 
Sarni said:
He didn't even break his leg, where does this myth come from?

He was out for a month after a bad tackle. Ramsey an Eduardo had broken legs and didn't play or train for a long time which definitely affected their development. It's not comparable at all. Being out for a month is nothing in football, pretty much all footballers were out for that long at some point in their careers
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Physically it probably didn't do that much - but it certainly seemed to do something to him mentally. He was never the same after that one.
 
Decotron said:
Theres another thread on him somewhere. He wasnt the player some seem to remember. I dont think he ever had a future here. Nothing out of the ordinary.
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Exactly. Its bizarre how he's remembered so fondly on here. Must be a brazilian thing. Had a couple of decent cameos but otherwise did very little. The tackle everyone talks about wasn't even a leg breaker.
 
711 said:
Yes it does, yet you chose to say 'even', for some reason.
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Yes I did, because it happens all the time to players regardless of whether they get injuries or not. That he permanently lost form after a month layoff is likely just a coincidence. This is why potential is called potential and not established ability; because there's always the possibility that it'll amount to nothing.
 
pocco said:
The idea that Pogatetz has done this to him is ridiculous. He never really stood out at all, I don't feel.
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Exactly

The guy was never close to being up to standard. In all truth, he was pretty rubbish.

Just to note too. He never broke his leg. The injury that he sustained against Middlesbrough kept him out for 8 weeks.
 
Sometimes I think we just sign random players.

Possebon, Dong, Obertan, Djemba-Djemba, Bebe (Harsh but still.....) etc.
 
Cold_Boy said:
Sometimes I think we just sign random players.

Possebon, Dong, Obertan, Djemba-Djemba, Bebe (Harsh but still.....) etc.
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All teams sign players that don't make it, for one reason or another. Especially when it's a cheap gamble, more often than not, they don't work out.

Possebon never looked like making it here, don't know where some people get these memories of him looking like a good prospect. IMO, he looked quite poor in the few appearences that he made.

Pogatetz is a nasty player but, to suggest that he ruined Possebon's career is, quite frankly, ludicrous.
 
711 said:
So the fact that he was promising before and poor afterwards is coincidence then? Fair enough.
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He wasn't even that good before. Plenty of players from our youth sides who looked reasonably good at times when they were 18-19 went a few divisions below when they matured. Ritchie Jones plays for Bradford in League Two for example, Ngalula who was supposed to be a new Makelele plays in a second division in Belgium and I'm not even sure Dong still plays football. It happens all the time. A year on the sidelines because of injury will harm your development, a month won't.

The whole concept of him being ruined by injury comes from the conviction that he broke his leg probably, because few people bothered to check it after the game and assumed that what they saw must have been a broken leg. It wasn't.
 
I thought he looked decent before the injury. Okay he wasn't the best player in the world but he didn't put a foot wrong, that's a lie, he lost the ball one time with his first touches of the ball and did well to recover and retrieve the ball. He was quite composed and had Berbatov's languid style about him.

But that injury definitely did scar him mentally, leg break or not. I can't remember the extent of the injury but it looked bad enough and he never impressed me again when he came back. He didn't play with that same level of calmness, he seemed a lot more nervous and not someone who looked like he was going to carve out a career with us.

Is it a coincidence? I think not. Maybe we're overhyping him because he was playing at a time where we had a lack of youngsters coming through and he seemed to be the best of the lot but after that injury he looked half the player.
 
I thought he looked nailed-on to make it before his injury. I always thought he did not look out of place at all when he got his first team opportunities.
 
All right, then I fear for any player who is out for more than a few days because those injuries can ruin them. A month without football and you're done at this level. :wenger:

You might argue that Pogatetz tackle harmed his confidence and made his fear playing football although that's a bit nonsense too because footballers are exposed to tackles over 20 years they spend on the pitch and most will have to endure something like that anyway. To suggest that a minor injury turned a potential Manchester United star into a Brazilian 4th division player is just plain silly though.
 
marjen said:
I thought he looked nailed-on to make it before his injury. I always thought he did not look out of place at all when he got his first team opportunities.
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Strange, I always found him incredibly underwhelming. I know you can't expect much from a youngster's first few run-outs, but he never had any of the signs of a player who would make it, for me.
 
lysglimt said:
Physically it probably didn't do that much - but it certainly seemed to do something to him mentally. He was never the same after that one.
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To be honest though if that's the case, 1 bad tackle and you're fecked mentally then you will never ever make it as a top footballer. There is horror tackles that happen all the time in football, a lot of players are targeted like Ronaldo or Messi for example, none of them turn around and just don't fancy it. It was a bad tackle but it was a month long injury and it shouldn't put you off playing.

I can see why people like Ramsey may have "mental" issues about coming back, he had months out due to a bad tackle and stuff like that probably does affect you. Even people like Fletcher who got illnesses must be a bit worried but to get 1 bad tackle and suddenly decide you don't fancy it anymore. If anything that's not the kind of player you'd want at a club, especially in the role he played.

I reckon it was just coincidence. From what I remember he looked ok at United, nothing more than that really. I think people may remember him more fondly because of the injury if anything and possibly talk him up as a talent we lost out on when really he probably just didn't have the ability to make it at a club like United.
 
He looked a decent player, good on the ball, who could make a dependable squad player with a bit of luck and continuous work. While I agree that this injury alone couldn't have ruined him, it is a bit strange he suddenly vanished. Literally.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
I remember Possebon, he used to play really badly only with amazing grace.
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Perfect description. People liked his style but he still plays the same way, he's not lost that elegance - he just doesn't do anything with it. Never has. A couple of people thought it was Possebon-Anderson as the long-term midfield partnership but aside from perhaps one cameo v Newcastle he was a bit of a nothing player for us.
 
Wow, what a shame. Always remembered him as being a very elegant player with defensive nous & quality going forward. If he didn't make it here, I thought he would make it at a midtable top flight side, here or in Spain.

Definitely ruined due to a mental block, as opposed to any physical problem. 8 weeks out, players like Messi and Giggs had that a few times in their younger years, if I am correct.
 
After playing for Brazilian 4th division club, he is now clubless.
 
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