I'm pretty sure Poch would bail on us if Madrid come knocking one day.
That irks me more than anything else.
That irks me more than anything else.
[Poll] Next permanent United manager
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Don't know much about Allegri but I think the bit in bold is important as at will show how sh!te the board are if they don't learn from their mistakes and that would annoy me.
I personally believe the board need to get this next appointment spot on, so we don't fall further behind the elite.
I am quite surprised Zidane isnot top of the list.He is way below poch.Being coached by one one of the greatest players with brazilian skills should be seducing.
Not sure if the scenario above would happen as I don't know if he cares much for Real. Although if this was to occur it would scare the crap out of me as it would hit us back again when we think we have finally moved forward
Someone add Pele to the list.
And Ronaldinho.
Zidane is made to walk into City when pep goes and keep winning, not to come to united and fix the ship.
I have.
First of all, you have to remember that our league is horrible. There's really only a couple of decent teams, and they have had bad spells recently. Sturm have been underwhelming ever since the manager left to coach our national team, Austria and Rapid have been underperforming for years now. So dominating the league is pretty much expected from Salzburg.
That being said, Roses work has been nothing but outstanding. The team has lost a lot of top performers to Leipzig (Keita, Upamecano, Sabitzer, Laimer etc) and he was pretty much asked to replace them with youngsters from their own academy. And frankly they've never missed a beat, Rose has integrated them flawlessly and he'll lose the next wave of great young footballers as a result (Haidara has already been confirmed to go to Leipzig and the likes of Samassekou, Schlager, Lainer, Wolf etc will follow).
In terms of playing style, it's an attacking and high-pressing style. He often goes for a diamond in midfield or 4-3-3, full backs are always expected to push high and attack. Pressing starts very early and the forwards are asked to run a lot.
In general, Roses work has been phenomal and people here absolutely adore him. His demeanor, his style of football and his work with young players make him really easy to like. I have no doubt that he'll go on to great things, but a step up to United would probably too much at this point. Could do much, much, much worse with an out-of-the-box hiring than Rose though.
Poch seems to have the right philosophy, but also Rose would be very interesting together with his no. 2. I would not hire Allegri or Zidane or Simeone.
If Rose won the EL, then it would it be a SAF like performance when he was at Aberdeen? Winning in Europe with an underdog team against the odds.
I understand the Marco Rose hype.
But if we're going to go for the young, hungry, up and coming manager who plays high pressing attacking football. Then why not go for Ole?
But if we're going to go for the young, hungry, up and coming manager who plays high pressing attacking football. Then why not go for Ole?
What, based on results? Or based on how the team plays regardless of results? OGS has the experience of Mike Phelan to draw upon in setting us up for these big matches, so I don’t know why you need to wait for those matches. Unless you are going strictly by results.
Poch is far and away the most ideal candidate given the circumstances, but he's also the most difficult to get. His love-affair with Levy and Spurs being the main obstacle.
We did and we are
I take your point, though.
Would you take Maradona as our manager? Skills as a player doesn’t necessarily translate to coaching skills.
I attribute the recent Marco Rose links in the media fully to @Adnan pimping him up in this thread.
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I hope it's led to him being on our short list.
Cant speak much about the first bit as I don't know much about Marco Rose but I can totally understand the part in bold, it makes sense. Although Ole is not my current choice as I feel it is too early in his tenure to judge him yet.
I am sure Eddy lurks around here.
Eddy if you are around here. Thanks for sacking Jose as you haven't done much else right
We've seen nothing from Ole yet. How we perform in the big games against strong opposition is everything when it comes to judging a manager for this club. Sure we're miles better than we were with Jose, but with the quality we have I'd expect nothing less. Go and enjoy yourself works against most teams when you have top players.
88 people actually want Eddie Howe (Moyes MKII) to be the next United manager?
Voted Jardim to to get it and wanted him good a while but am seriously hoping Ole does well until the end of the season and earns the job full time. (If not Ole, Jardim)
To those who think Poch is nailed on I'd say one thing. Maybe Poch has big plans for Spurs he knows that he's potentially a couple of players away seriously competing for the League.
So he might want to stay around at Spurs and see it through. Some people like do not like to put in the hard work for years and see someone else take all the glory for it.
Although due to Spurs being so stringent with their money, they have done well to keep him but this may cause them some upset in the future.
To those who think Poch is nailed on I'd say one thing. Maybe Poch has big plans for Spurs he knows that he's potentially a couple of players away seriously competing for the League.
So he might want to stay around at Spurs and see it through. Some people like do not like to put in the hard work for years and see someone else take all the glory for it.
Although due to Spurs being so stringent with their money, they have done well to keep him but this may cause them some upset in the future.
Ole isn't my first choice either. I'd go for Poch because he has a proven record at building and moulding a team at this level and (puts on flak jacket and helmet) any half decent manager could show up at Man Utd. Tell this team go and have fun and they'd win more than they lost.
100%.
I'm not bothered if Madrid get him over us and that leaves us with Ole as our only option this coming summer. He won't last a season at Madrid anyway, we could always pick him up the following summer.
That will also get the 'Madrid' out of his system.
Why? I don't understand this Jardim thing. Can someone please explain?
Keep in mind Zidane has won 3 champions league on the trot.
It is not gonna get easy, but I hope we really push hard. If It does not work, I hope we go for philosophy as mentioned earlierPoch is far and away the most ideal candidate given the circumstances, but he's also the most difficult to get. His love-affair with Levy and Spurs being the main obstacle.
We did and we are
I take your point, though.
Yes, but that’s a whole different reason.
Yes, I agree we need to wait. But the litmus test shouldn’t be based on just results, but also on whether we are playing well against tough opponents. I think having Mike Phelan there with his vast experience in EPL and CL will go a long way to making sure we will play well against almost any team.
If Ole can make the Mata/Valencia flank of doom work then he should be offered the job on the spot.
Zidane took over a team
At the moment, Ole is getting the sack. Mata and Valencia hve been shocking, alongside Jones.
That was being run into the ground by Benitez.
I say this as someone who voted for Poch and is yet to change his mind...
When we beat Spurs this thread is going to be fecking magnificent.
When we beat Spurs this thread is going to be fecking magnificent.
Yeah, but he made no significant signings in three years. That squad was pretty much perfect when he took over and he just got them to function. Our new manager needs to have the ability to build a team as we're far from having a title-challenging squad at the moment considering how good Liverpool and City are. Zidane hasn't shown anything like that in his three years at Real. We might as well hire Ole permanently instead of looking to Zidane if all it takes is getting a team to play well.
We shouldn't go anywhere near Zidane unless we get a phenomenal DoF in first.
I voted Jardim as I liked his Monaco and the way I saw them playing thought would be good for us.
He has very good record wherever he has managed winning over 51% of the games he took charge of. He has managed nearly 600 games in 3 countries.
Since seeing him in charge I have taken an interest in Jardim and read several informative articles about him.
I like the way he took his unfancied Braga to third whilst having a team consisting of several players promoted from the youth team including William Carvalho, Rui Patrício, Cédric, Adrien Silva, André Martins, Wilson Eduardo and Carlos Mané. I also liked that he brought the young players at like Mbappe, Lemar and Bernardo Silva etc. I like a manager that encourages bringing youth through, which is something I think is very important.
One that stand out is this interview: https://www.fourfourtwo.com/performance/training/leonardo-jardims-management-masterclass.
Some things which appealed to me are below but this is not full extract
How were you able to command the respect of players who were older than you?
Honestly, I’ve never had big problems in my 15 years as a first team coach. I always try to be close to the action, so I don’t allow problems to grow.
This is something I personally see as vitally important in case an issue unnecessarily gets out of hand
Is it important for a manager to be close to his players?
My secret is being close to my players and staff. It’s so important to be close to everything that influences the performance.
Do you adapt your management style for different personalities?
It’s vital. We are all the same and, at the same time, all different. The same feedback can cause one player to be anxious, another to relax or others to overthink things. That’s why we have to know our players really well.
Here he explains how different approaches are need players which I admire.
How often do you speak to players one-on-one? .
Every day. I speak to them every day, but all methods of communication are important"as he gives his views on when certain players need to be talked to.
This is important as it shows his ability to adapt.
Are modern players more difficult to manage than those at the start of your career?
Nowadays the world is more complex. There is a greater knowledge from all areas and, today, people actively seek new information. Now you cannot give false information to a player like some coaches did in the past because now your players will understand easily what is true and what is not. Thirty years ago your coach would say that eating a certain fruit was good for your performance and that would be a law. Today it’s not.
Here I believe he is emphasising how to player responds to the coach and how much power the players now have.
What I also like about him are that he said "I do not know if I'm going to end up being the [Sir Alex] Ferguson of Monaco," joked Leonardo Jardim, the Portuguese coach very much a man in demand after a splendid season in France" I'm hoping by that he meant he was going to build a dynasty (maybe here).
He is well regarded among former players as well as Radamal Falcao said
"He's a very intelligent coach who reads games very well. He's also very good at reading players and understanding what they need. Those man-management skills have served him very well with this squad. He's got some very young players who still have some maturing to do, and he's patient and relaxed enough to teach them. That's played a major role in the team's performances and is one of the reasons why we are where we are in the league."
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2462352.html
On this site are several articles which I found interesting https://maisfutebol.iol.pt/leonardo-jardim-em-braga-finalmente-de-corpo-inteiro
There are also articles like the one below.
http://www.blamefootball.com/2018/1...anchester-united-should-hire-leonardo-jardim/
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Ole is definitely getting United playing to their strengths and traditions. Mourinho looked like he was at OT under sufferance. It's like he took the job to tick a box. Solksjaer seems made up to be the manager albeit caretaker. He loves the club to his core and it comes across in interviews. Tonight's match was on paper his hardest and proved to be so. Nonetheless they won, kept a clean sheet and have gone from neutral goal difference to +11 after four matches. Four straight wins is impressive and he has transformed the mood at the club looking in from the outside. He is comfortable enough in his own skin to reference Ferguson. Moyes always struck as someone who couldn't quite believe that Ferguson had chosen him to succeed him.
While the wheels could still come off the Solksjaer wagon I'm starting to believe he may be the answer for United. He will have setbacks and how he responds will tell a lot. I'm impressed by how he handles himself, how to projects a positive vibe and of course his results to date. It'll be fascinating to see does Woodward offer him the chance to buy players.
While the wheels could still come off the Solksjaer wagon I'm starting to believe he may be the answer for United. He will have setbacks and how he responds will tell a lot. I'm impressed by how he handles himself, how to projects a positive vibe and of course his results to date. It'll be fascinating to see does Woodward offer him the chance to buy players.
If I was to have voted 3weeks back I would have 100percent voted for poch,but now I am starting to believe ole could be good/strong enough to take it full time, the love he has for the club,the people,the style of play,the way he has handled himself all top class. Of course he will have downs between here and end of season but I'm sure he's open to other people advice ie phelan/fergie etc which jose never seemed open too,his way or no way. With a top class DOF I'm sure ole would develop UTD and himself as manager. Either ole or poch for me. 50/50. Levy will be a nightmare to deal with,so at least ole is a option in my opinion. Only concern is that if the players let him down, does or could he get angry or scare the players, just doesn't seem like there is a intimidating bone in his body.
This is why most workplaces in the UK are absolutely shit, this mentality. If you think the best practice to get more out of your employee's is to get angry, shout and intimidate them by creating a hostile work environment, then please don't ever go into management of any capacity.
Ha ok thanks for the advice.. Jesus it must have been absolute shit playing for fergie so.... think you misunderstood me , big difference between not being a walkover ie respected and liked(fergie) and jose(toxic hostile), you actually can be hard,fair and liked you know, oh and the general work place in UK doesn't have fellas earning 300000 a week,if they mess up they should be told off. In private.
Here's a good article about Marco Rose's assistant, Rene Maric, from the Guardian back in September.
He's 26 years old and made his name as a blogger! I love this story and seeing someone break through just by being damn good at the job.
From chatroom to the bootroom: Rene Maric’s very modern coaching journey
He's 26 years old and made his name as a blogger! I love this story and seeing someone break through just by being damn good at the job.
From chatroom to the bootroom: Rene Maric’s very modern coaching journey
I wonder if we would be able to hire Zidane and Poch as his assistant?
Haven't we tried a couple of names already? Zidane has not yet built one team, he took over a fully functional team and continued the work until everything was about to collapse
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Don't see the club taking a gamble on Rose. If it isn't Poch or Zidane I would be surprised.
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