It's difficult to plan for the future when you lose your best players every summer, Dortmund doesn't have much quality outside of the first X1 so when they get a number of with injuries they fall off badly. This happens more often when they have the CL to contend with.
It's difficult to plan for the future when you lose your best players every summer, Dortmund doesn't have much quality outside of the first X1 so when they get a number of with injuries they fall off badly. This happens more often when they have the CL to contend with.
Let's just wait awhile longer as painful as it seems. Let me point out I never wanted Moyes or LVG and got serious beatings from members in other forums for voicing my opinions. At this time I just don't see any reason to take serious action for a month unless of course a trend of losses kick in
How many shots or chances did their keeper save then? Or are you one of those that thinks playing well is having 80% possession and passing it back to the keeper for no reason at all.
We had 3 shots on target, 10 off and 10 corners according to Sky. From what everyone was saying most of the corners were straight to the keeper.
Don't get me wrong I don't like the situation, the manager or our horrible form, but throwing LVG out now would be a huge mistake. I was also a fan during the torrid 70s and fear we're staggering like a blind man back into our past.
Nah I agree, I wouldn't sack him now, no point and it doesn't help the team at all. But there is no reason to keep him at the end of the season either on current evidence, especially if a better manager becomes available.
That might be the only reason he goes, if that happens. If there isn't anyone, it would be a big risk.
Agreed. We need a craftsman who can rebuild and repair the squad not just a top manager available. We have to select someone professionally, who matches our culture and traditions in the modern context. All this buying into total football or waiting for protégés nonsense has to stop.
Darren Ferguson has just become available 
we need continuity and stability....Van Gaal may not be what a club of this size needs but he is a decent squad builder who absolutely needs to be given another summer to try and get the players he needs to balance the squad. Then he should be given until Christmas of this year to show what he can do with a balanced team. Bringing in a new manager could be disastrous as they would need a season to assess who they need to keep and who they need to ditch
I'm sure someone will be available, after all we offer a huge challenge right now, so I'm sure we could also prize a top manager away from another top club.
This made me laugh more than it should have done
With his dad as assistant.Darren Ferguson has just become available
He can borrow Mike Phelan's shorts, they obviously have magic powers.I'd love a manager that actually gets off their seat and shouts encouragement or orders from the touch line, SAF used to strike fear into anyone around him. LVG just sits on his fat arse all match writing " philosophy 1000 times over" in his stupid little book.
Klopp or guardiola for me the rest will be tied to clubs long term.
Klopp or guardiola for me the rest will be tied to clubs long term.
I only can only base my assessment of how we played today on radio commentary. It was suggested many times in play that we were by far the better team and that it would only be a mater of time, etc etc etc. When it went to 2-1, it was said to have been against the run of play. Not sure what the comment 'one of those' is about.
I think there are some up there who wish it actually true
Then we should have kept Moyes, no way will LVG be here if he doesn't get top 4 and he shouldn't either, completely unacceptable.
Madrid, Barca, Chelsea, Bayern have all won trophies and thrived despite a high manager turnover.
Also it's not like we're being spoilt brats and asking LVG to win the bloody treble straight away, all he has to do is get into the CL which shouldn't be difficult with the squad and money he's spent. (It's funny how you talk about balance, then forget it was LVG who further imbalanced the squad)
We ain't running no charity here, he is paid millions and he knows what his objectives for this season are.
Has to be Guardiola if we're going to commit so much time and resources to possession football with Van Gaal.
Exactly. That was all we wanted. Some people think we're being spoilt, but that has literally what the majority of the hardcore fan-base has asked for this season. Top four. Not to even win anything. We shouldn't be having to struggle to get into the top four. That's a major red flag for me. We should be at least 5 points ahead of fourth right now, but we're not and that's the manager's fault. It feels like we're not going to get it now, because we're just hopeless every week.
Pep is my dream manager.
Failing that Simeone.
In hindsight only one person should've taken over from Fergie and that was Mourinho. Only wanker with an ego big enough to handle it. But that ship has sailed now, hopefully to eventually sink.
Failing that Simeone.
In hindsight only one person should've taken over from Fergie and that was Mourinho. Only wanker with an ego big enough to handle it. But that ship has sailed now, hopefully to eventually sink.
Throw all the money at Mourinho.
Our youth set up definitely needs improving, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that Ancelotti has not brought through youth players whereever he has been (and he for sure hasn't been at United so far, so I don't know what you are on about). And that is even before pointing out that I never said our youth players are world beaters after a couple of good games.
Diego Simeone all day long.
My sentiments exactly.
If Van Gaal does only really have 3 years, you have to question the point of changing the whole approach of the side if it's only going to be ripped up and started from scratch again anyway.
If Van Gaal is succeeded by Guardiola, I'd say that should be a fruitful 6-8 years. Whether people enjoy it is another thing.
What about fact that we have got different careers and lives? GN has got good reputation and understanding of the game and he achieved something in football knows the club through and through.. so I think it's really a different story. And as I said I would like him rather as assistant..
Did you just compare people to buildings?
Indeed so, behold Louis Van Gaal's current abode:
His possession isn't pointless, Barcelona always passed forward to score.
Personally I've always had a soft spot for Ancelotti, but we'll probably go for someone significantly younger after LVG has laid a groundwork.
Gary Neville, Giggs, Fecking Koeman, De Boer, seriously? Give me a break lads, am tired of this BS.
Its like people have not quite understood that the job of Man Utd manager is the most difficult job in English football.
As someone said earlier, to manage Man Utd, we need someone who has experience of the EPL AND a proven track record. Trainees/rookies should not even be considered.
I voted Mourinho, as I'd quite like to see us win everything.
Ancelotti and Guardiola are the only others who meet the above specification.
Gary Neville, Giggs, de Boer?
What people smoking? I want some.
What people smoking? I want some.
Giggs.
People laughing at whoever voted for Giggs, well, Gary Monk got the Swansea job after being there for 10 years, without having any real managerial experience, and guess what, he did the double over Van Gaal - a manager who has vast experience in comparison to him. Now that's what I call funny.
Giggs hasn't got the a great amount of experience, but he knows the United way (sick of that term, to be honest) and knows the club, and I think with a bit of experience and know how around him, he'd flourish as manager.
That said, Van Gaal is still our manager, and if he can steer us to top four this season, I'd be more than happy to see him continue.
People laughing at whoever voted for Giggs, well, Gary Monk got the Swansea job after being there for 10 years, without having any real managerial experience, and guess what, he did the double over Van Gaal - a manager who has vast experience in comparison to him. Now that's what I call funny.
Giggs hasn't got the a great amount of experience, but he knows the United way (sick of that term, to be honest) and knows the club, and I think with a bit of experience and know how around him, he'd flourish as manager.
That said, Van Gaal is still our manager, and if he can steer us to top four this season, I'd be more than happy to see him continue.
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Ancelotti, Klopp, Guardiola and Simeone are the only ones from that list I would like anywhere near the club.
Gary Neville?
Gary Neville?
This for me too and why i'd opt for Klopp. It hasn't been easy for him or his Dortmund side of late. But it doesn't change how good a fit he'd be for United.
Feck Gary Neville, he is incredibly irritating.
Klopp is the the guy we should go all out for, he suits us in every way and can be here for a very long time. We need to stop going for dinosaurs and get someone who is hungry and plays football the United way (However cringe that sounds). Busby's teams were famous for attacking football, using width to stretch our opponents playing with flair and freedom, having no fear. Feck even the "average" sides under the doc and Attkinson did this better than LVG. Look at the Dortmund team from 12-14, that is a perfect blueprint of a typical United team in it's prime under Ferguson.
We should have got Klopp in 2013 and then tried to get him again last summer(Maybe we did), I hope we try again in the summer because there is a chance he could be looking to leave Dortmund.
Lvg is taking the mick right now, if we wanted a manger to learn on the job we should have just gave it to Ryan Giggs.
Klopp is the the guy we should go all out for, he suits us in every way and can be here for a very long time. We need to stop going for dinosaurs and get someone who is hungry and plays football the United way (However cringe that sounds). Busby's teams were famous for attacking football, using width to stretch our opponents playing with flair and freedom, having no fear. Feck even the "average" sides under the doc and Attkinson did this better than LVG. Look at the Dortmund team from 12-14, that is a perfect blueprint of a typical United team in it's prime under Ferguson.
We should have got Klopp in 2013 and then tried to get him again last summer(Maybe we did), I hope we try again in the summer because there is a chance he could be looking to leave Dortmund.
Lvg is taking the mick right now, if we wanted a manger to learn on the job we should have just gave it to Ryan Giggs.
Simeone wouldn't be a bad fit. He's capable of contesting the mighty big two in Spain. And not just any Madrid and Barca, but Cristiano's Madrid and Messi's Barca.
But I'm not sure how he would adapt to England. I'd take Guardiola anyday.
But I'm not sure how he would adapt to England. I'd take Guardiola anyday.
I know you don't like van Gaal, but to say he's learning on the job when he's got the track record he has albeit at other clubs is ridiculous.
The manager has like the biggest budget in world football at his disposal (Dortmund's and Atl Madrid's squad probably cost less to assemble than the ~€200m van Gaal could spend this season) and only needs to achieve top4 with it. That doesn't sound that hard to me, Moyes and van Gaal just haven't done a very good job (thus far).