Pogba Future

[carvajal]

Dare I say it. He's in a better position he'll find anywhere else in terms of legacy and even money.

We've got Rashford, 22 years old, Martial 24 years old, Greenwood 18 years old, Bruno Fernandes 25 years old while he - himself, is 27 years old. Maguire 27 years old, Williams 19 years old, Wan-Bissaka 22-years old. Goalkeeping position is sorted with De Gea/Hendersson + Kovar - any way it turns out.

He'll do what he wants to, but he, in terms of legacy, wont do himself any favours jumping ship again especially in this era unless he wants to be paid more and he's already getting paid plenty. I genuinely believe he's here to stay. The only teams he could go to is PSG and Ligue 1 is not up to standards anyway and PSG will always struggle abroad. Real Madrid with Ramos about to retire, Kroos to be 31.. Modric turning 35, Casemiro 33.. Hazard 29 for a winger. Benzema 33 this year. Bale is done and dusted.. turning 31. Good luck replacing all those in this era.

His best shot unless he only aims for money is United at this point unless he signs for a chinese club. He knows that. Covid-19 and all these other factors makes it a given.

Casemiro is 28, and Ramos will surely play at a more than acceptable level for two seasons.
If he comes it is precisely to replace Modric.
Kroos may be a problem, but not in the immediate present. On the other hand we have Fede Valverde, Vinicius, Rodrygo, Odegaard or Take Kubo (these two in the medium term).
Carvajal, Varane, Asensio, Courtois are still young.

I agree on the subject of Benzema, and more seeing Jovic's failure. However it is valid if we think that the only factor he takes into account for his renewal is "appearance / future" of the team.
He's 27, like Modric when he came. He has enough time to create a new legacy, or expand the one he already has.

As you say the Covid changes everything. I don't know if it is very appropriate/feasible to spend so much money while employees cut their wages by 10%.
Of course they would have to sell and get rid of James and Bale's salary.

 

[Harry190]

Casemiro is 28, and Ramos will surely play at a more than acceptable level for two seasons.
If he comes it is precisely to replace Modric.
Kroos may be a problem, but not in the immediate present. On the other hand we have Fede Valverde, Vinicius, Rodrygo, Odegaard or Take Kubo (these two in the medium term).
Carvajal, Varane, Asensio, Courtois are still young.

I agree on the subject of Benzema, and more seeing Jovic's failure. However it is valid if we think that the only factor he takes into account for his renewal is "appearance / future" of the team.
He's 27, like Modric when he came. He has enough time to create a new legacy, or expand the one he already has.

As you say the Covid changes everything. I don't know if it is very appropriate/feasible to spend so much money while employees cut their wages by 10%.
Of course they would have to sell and get rid of James and Bale's salary.

Did Real Madrid also ask ticket holders not to ask for a refund/to donate like Barcelona did?

 

[carvajal]

Did Real Madrid also ask ticket holders not to ask for a refund/to donate like Barcelona did?

Yes

 

[keithsingleton]

The little thing called Coronavirus has not distracted United fans from believing Sancho is definitely coming though has it?

I still think it all depends on top 4, if we don't get top 4 it will be hard to keep Pogba.

If there's such a meaning as a good thing that's come out of the covid is the fact its made Pogba (( my favourite player )) put his football boots on again. Not many teams if any can now afford his wages, he probably realises this himself now or that rat of a agent told him. He's playing with that intensity we know and love when he wants to play.

Bruno as we most of us know is probably an

 

[Shiva87]

If there's such a meaning as a good thing that's come out of the covid is the fact its made Pogba (( my favourite player )) put his football boots on again. Not many teams if any can now afford his wages, he probably realises this himself now or that rat of a agent told him. He's playing with that intensity we know and love when he wants to play.

Bruno as we most of us know is probably an

That's so much speculation. He was on the brink of returning when lockdown happened. I refuse to buy into the paper talk that he didn't want to play for the club. I'm glad he has come out of lockdown and is eager to get on with it, and show people that he is a real team player.

There is a reason why we are scoring so much now - and having him back gives the whole squad a huge confidence boost as well. (just like Bruno does!)

 

[VP89]

I think he will be nailed on to stay + Sancho will be nailed on to arrive assuming Champions League football is tied up.

I reckon we just have to wait until that is official before real progress can be made.

 

[Judas]

When you see him playing motivated surrounded by quality, the thought of seeing him ever wear any other team colours makes me sad again, just like the first time he left. Him signing a deal and dedicating himself to us would be an unbelievable lift.

 

[keithsingleton]

My own opinion is he will now stay. He's got his bubble gum back and more importantly you can see how he's playing that he's enjoying the game again. There was some much negativy in social media about him it had me having my doubts about him.

Fortunately were over that so not digging the past up now. I believe Ole optimistic in signing a new contract. Let's hope it's all sorted soon and look for a bright start in 2020/21

 

[Gasolin]

Pogba is 27 btw, 28 next year.

 

[laughtersassassin]

How many do you think we will sign in this window?

Hopefully 3 but I reckon only 2.

I want Sancho, Grealish or Similar and the maybe a CB but don't have a preference.

I reckon we get Sancho and a CB. Pretty good window but I think passing up Greatlish would be madness so would be disappointed.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[Craig Ward]

Although I have changed my position on Pogba and would love to see him stay, it has to be said that DDG (and Sanchez) contracts were mistakes, and I hope we never award anyone these silly contracts again.

That said, you argument that he is in better form, and should therefore be given a bigger contract, while it makes sense, it also shows why we shouldn't do it. The next in form player who is due a contract will ask for a bigger one, and it'll just keep escalating.

Exactly this.

We have been the victim of our own mistakes.

We always struggle to offload players because we give them too much in wages and if/when the form drops or they decide they want a new challenge or we deem them no longer required, we simply struggle to sell them.

We have DDG a huge contract to ward off Real, but we cannot keep doing that.

Pogba, while a good player has done nothing to warrant a bumper pay rise. And we all know sooner or later he will want to leave, and his agent will drum up interest.

By this logic we should make martial, greenwood and fernandes on 400k per week because they;ve had a good few weeks?

Some people really need to wake up and be realistic

 

[Rozay]

Exactly this.

We have been the victim of our own mistakes.

We always struggle to offload players because we give them too much in wages and if/when the form drops or they decide they want a new challenge or we deem them no longer required, we simply struggle to sell them.

We have DDG a huge contract to ward off Real, but we cannot keep doing that.

Pogba, while a good player has done nothing to warrant a bumper pay rise. And we all know sooner or later he will want to leave, and his agent will drum up interest.

By this logic we should make martial, greenwood and fernandes on 400k per week because they;ve had a good few weeks?

Some people really need to wake up and be realistic

We don’t.

 

[Craig Ward]

We don’t.

if you think pogba is ending his career here with a smile on your face your deluded. Wake up.

He's going to want a big move to a big club, probably real. Its a matter of time

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

if you think pogba is ending his career here with a smile on your face your deluded. Wake up.

He's going to want a big move to a big club, probably real. Its a matter of time

Not if he signs a new 5 year deal surely, he’s 27 now!

 

[Craig Ward]

Not if he signs a new 5 year deal surely, he’s 27 now!

because signing a 5 year deal means he's staying for 5 years yes?

Pogba wont be here for another 5 years

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

because signing a 5 year deal means he's staying for 5 years yes?

Pogba wont be here for another 5 years

But if he signs a new deal that puts all the power back with us. If pogba has aspirations of moving now is the time to do so, not after a massive new contract which will price him out the market. Utd would ask for £120 million at least, you really think anyone will cough that up?

Personally I think if he signs a new deal he’s here for the long haul.

 

[Stacks]

He is the best alround midfielder in world football now. Name one player that comes close to who does what he does?

Two footed, scores long rangers, takes free kicks, scores headers, physical beast, elegant on the ball, can play defensive or offensive roles - he can even play on the wings.

Just extend the contract Ed.

He is the most complete midfielder no doubt. There isn't another like him. that said, I think we'll get more from him by having him specialise in a particular role

 

[Matriac]

because signing a 5 year deal means he's staying for 5 years yes?

Pogba wont be here for another 5 years

If we can continuously mount a title challenge every year and be strong contenders for CL why wouldn't he stay?

That should be our goal, and we seem to only be a few players away.
PL teams have on average been performing better in the CL than other leagues for a while now.
Doubtful he will go to another PL team. He won't go to Bayern, Juve can't afford him, PSG unlikely to be interesting enough for him due to League 1. Leaves Barca and Real, both who seem to have an uncertain future at the moment.

Not sure why you are so certain he will leave in the coming years. If we don't challenge, then yes, but as long as we do he'll be able to become a legend here. Remembered as one of the main names that brought us back to glory.

 

[Berbasbullet]

But if he signs a new deal that puts all the power back with us. If pogba has aspirations of moving now is the time to do so, not after a massive new contract which will price him out the market. Utd would ask for £120 million at least, you really think anyone will cough that up?

Personally I think if he signs a new deal he’s here for the long haul.

Agreed if he signs then he wants to stay, its these mental gymnastics that people come up with that have somehow made him the enemy.

 

[SAFMUTD]

But if he signs a new deal that puts all the power back with us. If pogba has aspirations of moving now is the time to do so, not after a massive new contract which will price him out the market. Utd would ask for £120 million at least, you really think anyone will cough that up?

Personally I think if he signs a new deal he’s here for the long haul.

My thoughts as well, he is 27 at the moment if he wants a move is right now. If he signs I doubt he will be going out at 30+ plus years and we wont have any pressure to sell him before that. In other words I think this is Pogbas last big contract, if chooses to stay hell be here for all his peak years.

 

[TheReligion]

if you think pogba is ending his career here with a smile on your face your deluded. Wake up.

He's going to want a big move to a big club, probably real. Its a matter of time

Troll

 

[ostentatious]

His best shot unless he only aims for money is United at this point unless he signs for a chinese club.

What do you mean by this statement?

if you think pogba is ending his career here with a smile on your face your deluded. Wake up.

He's going to want a big move to a big club, probably real. Its a matter of time

Deluded? Why take this line of argument? None of us know for sure that he will want to leave sooner or later. @Rozay correctly pointed this out when you claimed otherwise. It's your gut feeling/intuition that Pogba will want to leave, not knowledge. You may base that on what you have observed and perceived from the various news sources – that still does not make it knowledge. Your entire post is based on your instinct, and is completely subjective and yet, you state it like a fact. Pogba may leave this summer, or at a later point – but again, we don't know for sure that he will want to leave at some point.

 

[Harry190]

Yes

Not good. Not befitting of a club of that stature.
Small time.

 

[Mindhunter]

Surprise at the naivety here from some fans. Pogba will stay if we give him the highest salary he can get in the market, if not he will leave. He has 0 loyalty for the club, having engineered a move already. If he stays, it will be because we opened up the paycheck for him.

The good news on the footballing side at least is that he has shown some uncharacteristic maturity in the last few games by sticking to his role, feeding the forwards, and being content with playing second-fiddle in the midfield. I just hope this isn't a passing phase and he has really turned a corner here because with his talent, he can develop himself to be one of the best midfielders of his generation.

 

[championo]

Surprise at the naivety here from some fans. Pogba will stay if we give him the highest salary he can get in the market, if not he will leave. He has 0 loyalty for the club, having engineered a move already. If he stays, it will be because we opened up the paycheck for him.

The good news on the footballing side at least is that he has shown some uncharacteristic maturity in the last few games by sticking to his role, feeding the forwards, and being content with playing second-fiddle in the midfield. I just hope this isn't a passing phase and he has really turned a corner here because with his talent, he can develop himself to be one of the best midfielders of his generation.

Or the market is not hot for him now. I think his agent asked around and realized he was not going to get the pay day he was looking for so all of a sudden he has a change of heart because of how we are playing Feck off.

 

[Rolaholic]

Or the market is not hot for him now. I think his agent asked around and realized he was not going to get the pay day he was looking for so all of a sudden he has a change of heart because of how we are playing Feck off.

I guess the smiles on the rest of the squads face lately are just for show too eh?

Surely being in a better and much more promising United side has obviously got nothing to do with it for one of the highest paid athletes in the world, just the prospect of even more money...

 

[championo]

I guess the smiles on the rest of the squads face lately are just for show too eh?

Surely being in a better and much more promising United side has obviously got nothing to do with it for one of the highest paid athletes in the world, just the prospect of even more money...

The smiles are legit, but what you and he are telling me is that he is not a fighter and that when the going gets tough, he can bail? is that it?

 

[TheReligion]

I can't believe the how naive of some fans. Pogba will stay if he's happy and feels the club are moving forward. Shades of Rooney who despite the actual transfer request continued at the club, won it all and is the record all time goalscorer.

 

[Matriac]

The smiles are legit, but what you and he are telling me is that he is not a fighter and that when the going gets tough, he can bail? is that it?

He can't carry an entire team by himself.
If the other players around him are not up to it and that doesn't look like it will change then he has to consider if he needs to go elsewhere to have a successful career.

Same as if you are working somewhere and your skills doesn't get fully utilized because your co-workers are not putting in the same effort or are as skilled as you.
You then tell your boss that he should improve your work-environment if he wants to keep you around.

Cause you want to go to work feeling pride and that you're all making an effort to get results.

 

[Rozay]

because signing a 5 year deal means he's staying for 5 years yes?

Pogba wont be here for another 5 years

How well do you think you know Paul Pogba? The man, not the footballer? You have no idea what you’re talking about, it is baseless speculation.

He may leave, he may not. This sort of insecurity is what has prevented fans from properly liking him since the very day he returned. Similar to what we discussed @Brightonian

And majority of our squad will not retire here, for whatever reason. It is nonsense rationale. Most players don’t retire at the biggest clubs in the world. Xavi and Iniesta didn’t even retire at Barcelona. Casillas didn’t retire at Real. Sergio Ramos will probably retire is Qatar or Los Angeles. Using that as some sort of means to treat a player as an outsider is stupid.

 

[Rolaholic]

I can't believe the how naive of some fans. Pogba will stay if he's happy and feels the club are moving forward. Shades of Rooney who despite the actual transfer request continued at the club, won it all and is the record all time goalscorer.

De Gea also wanted to leave and was a fax error away from competing for European titles in Madrid years ago, now he's approaching 400 club appearances which would be the most ever at his position for us...

The incessant cynicism surrounding any and all potential positives for the club reeks of insecurity over where we are right now as a club as if we're AC Milan and not a perennial top 3 wealthiest club on the planet

Sunny days will be back much sooner rather than later with more good recruitment along with retaining our best players like all ambitious top clubs try to do...

 

[Rozay]

Surprise at the naivety here from some fans. Pogba will stay if we give him the highest salary he can get in the market, if not he will leave. He has 0 loyalty for the club, having engineered a move already. If he stays, it will be because we opened up the paycheck for him.

The good news on the footballing side at least is that he has shown some uncharacteristic maturity in the last few games by sticking to his role, feeding the forwards, and being content with playing second-fiddle in the midfield. I just hope this isn't a passing phase and he has really turned a corner here because with his talent, he can develop himself to be one of the best midfielders of his generation.

 

[Judas]

I can't believe the how naive of some fans. Pogba will stay if he's happy and feels the club are moving forward. Shades of Rooney who despite the actual transfer request continued at the club, won it all and is the record all time goalscorer.

Massive shades of Rooney for me. Pogba was/is worried about the direction the club was going, who hasn't been honestly? He wanted to see that we were going forward and making signings that Manchester United should be making. Hopefully now he's seen the plan, and where we look to be heading and wants to be part of it, as he should do.

 

[lex talionis]

Sign him up, whatever it takes. Pogba is a colossus and to be honest I don’t think we’ve seen anything like his peak ability under Ole so far. We’re building a squad that’s capable of competing with any other on the planet and we’re actually there, the Pogba we know from Juve days will resurface and conquer all he surveys.

But I have to object to the posts earlier lumping De Gea and Sanchez in the same bucket. That’s just phukking madness on an epic scale.

 

[Craig Ward]

How well do you think you know Paul Pogba? The man, not the footballer? You have no idea what you’re talking about, it is baseless speculation.

He may leave, he may not. This sort of insecurity is what has prevented fans from properly liking him since the very day he returned. Similar to what we discussed @Brightonian

And majority of our squad will not retire here, for whatever reason. It is nonsense rationale. Most players don’t retire at the biggest clubs in the world. Xavi and Iniesta didn’t even retire at Barcelona. Casillas didn’t retire at Real. Sergio Ramos will probably retire is Qatar or Los Angeles. Using that as some sort of means to treat a player as an outsider is stupid.

I obviously dont know him personally, we are debating as fans. what an utterly stupid thing to say. Think you've over generalised your point to try and belittle my post for some reason.

We form opinions based on how the player acts. Pogba hasnt exactly been the most committed around, so im rightfully dubious about his long term commitment to our club.

I have no insecurity whatsoever regarding pogba and my opinion of him is the same as every utd player - if you play well i'll support you.

We as fans have over debated Pogba and i merely give my opinion that i dont see his long term future here. Pogba loves the limelight, he has an agent who is troublesome and will always look for a big paycheck fir himself and his client, Pogba himself has said he wants a new challenge and Real have been sniffing around for some time.

He'll probably sign a contract as the pandemic will hamper any moves this summer but we shouldnt be fooled that him signing means he's staying for another 5 years. He may, granted but signing a contract isnt a nailed on 100% assurance that he's here for the long haul, thats very lazy thinking in my opinion.

For the record, i fully understand player's career trajectory - and to re-assert to your simplistic brain that this isnt all about Pogba. I also think Martial/Rashford and others will move on as well. I can easily see Greenwood playing for Barcelona. I dont think phil Jones will see out his contract either. I suspect DDG will end up in Spain in the next 2-3 years as well. Do i hate them too for having an opinion?

 

[Adam-Utd]

I obviously dont know him personally, we are debating as fans. what an utterly stupid thing to say. Think you've over generalised your point to try and belittle my post for some reason.

We form opinions based on how the player acts. Pogba hasnt exactly been the most committed around, so im rightfully dubious about his long term commitment to our club.

I have no insecurity whatsoever regarding pogba and my opinion of him is the same as every utd player - if you play well i'll support you.

We as fans have over debated Pogba and i merely give my opinion that i dont see his long term future here. Pogba loves the limelight, he has an agent who is troublesome and will always look for a big paycheck fir himself and his client, Pogba himself has said he wants a new challenge and Real have been sniffing around for some time.

He'll probably sign a contract as the pandemic will hamper any moves this summer but we shouldnt be fooled that him signing means he's staying for another 5 years. He may, granted but signing a contract isnt a nailed on 100% assurance that he's here for the long haul, thats very lazy thinking in my opinion.

For the record, i fully understand player's career trajectory - and to re-assert to your simplistic brain that this isnt all about Pogba. I also think Martial/Rashford and others will move on as well. I can easily see Greenwood playing for Barcelona. I dont think phil Jones will see out his contract either. I suspect DDG will end up in Spain in the next 2-3 years as well. Do i hate them too for having an opinion?

You understand why he said he might want a new challenge don't you? I'm not sure you do.

Do you think KDB would stay at City if they were battling for 6th/7h every season?

 

[Craig Ward]

You understand why he said he might want a new challenge don't you? I'm not sure you do.

Do you think KDB would stay at City if they were battling for 6th/7h every season?

I do, and i agree that that era was a bad era for us. Mourinho took us backwards and caused all kinds of player conflict.

But he said it regardless, no other player of ours come out in the media and said that. Pogba knows comments like that with his media presence will cause a stir, and he STILL said it. Speaks volumes about him and his attitude

 

[Adam-Utd]

I do, and i agree that that era was a bad era for us. Mourinho took us backwards and caused all kinds of player conflict.

But he said it regardless, no other player of ours come out in the media and said that. Pogba knows comments like that with his media presence will cause a stir, and he STILL said it. Speaks volumes about him and his attitude

Because he was the one being targeted. Let's not forget that fool after the Cardiff game, and the press constantly coming after him.

Don't get me wrong I wasn't happy he said it either but I can understand where his mind was at. We just failed to get CL football, our performances on the pitch were awful and our squad wasn't looking in great shape. With Madrid and Juve in his ear do you really expect him not to take the easy option?

Perhaps with the injury and Corona virus he's had time to sit back and think over the options.

He's seen the big improvement on the pitch and the squad. Ole has no doubt told him his plans for the future and he seems a lot happier/relaxed now. All he ever wanted was to play good football and win.

If he still makes noise in the summer that he wants to leave then fine let him walk, but anybody thinking we'd be better off without him are being very naive. There is no CM in the world that can replace him with to the same level.

 

[Rozay]

I obviously dont know him personally, we are debating as fans. what an utterly stupid thing to say. Think you've over generalised your point to try and belittle my post for some reason.

We form opinions based on how the player acts. Pogba hasnt exactly been the most committed around, so im rightfully dubious about his long term commitment to our club.

I have no insecurity whatsoever regarding pogba and my opinion of him is the same as every utd player - if you play well i'll support you.

We as fans have over debated Pogba and i merely give my opinion that i dont see his long term future here. Pogba loves the limelight, he has an agent who is troublesome and will always look for a big paycheck fir himself and his client, Pogba himself has said he wants a new challenge and Real have been sniffing around for some time.

He'll probably sign a contract as the pandemic will hamper any moves this summer but we shouldnt be fooled that him signing means he's staying for another 5 years. He may, granted but signing a contract isnt a nailed on 100% assurance that he's here for the long haul, thats very lazy thinking in my opinion.

For the record, i fully understand player's career trajectory - and to re-assert to your simplistic brain that this isnt all about Pogba. I also think Martial/Rashford and others will move on as well. I can easily see Greenwood playing for Barcelona. I dont think phil Jones will see out his contract either. I suspect DDG will end up in Spain in the next 2-3 years as well. Do i hate them too for having an opinion?

Well you have spoken fairly definitively about his long-term intentions, it is at least possible for you to consider that you could be talking nonsense, no? You said someone else is deluded if, even despite signing a new deal, they think Pogba will stay for 5 years, which would actually suggest that you have some sort of insight. Then you said ‘he will want to move to a big club at some point’ - which is why I mentioned insecurities. I doubt Real and Barcelona players say that about their stars. Even Juve and Bayern. We’re a pretty big deal ourselves. Unless of course, you have a complex that suggests that we are a bit inferior, or you simply have insight that Pogba specifically wants to move at some point. You are now confirming that you have neither, thank you.

I guess what you’ve now said is very different then. It isn’t that you don’t think Pogba is uncommitted, you just think all of our players will want to leave. Right.

As fans we watch football and assess. I think we need to be more careful about sweeping statements about off the field stuff is all. ‘Pogba loves the limelight’. That doesn’t become facts just because everyone repeats it you know. And yes, he did say he wants a new challenge. If that is still the case, then he wouldn’t sign a nee contract at all I suspect. If he does; something has clearly changed then, as that would directly contradict him seeking a nee challenge. And an agent looking to get paid? Must be a Pogba thing, that’s very unlike football agents! Raiola can’t make a player move who doesn’t want to, that sort of stuff needs to stop getting spread. Only those part ownership gigs are like that.