Pogba Future

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His agent has been making disruptive comments.

His brother has been making disruptive comments.

Pogba has been making his own version of “only God knows”.

He isn’t committed here. feck him off to anyone willing to pay what this fabulous professional is worth. Truth is, nobody is willing to cough up. Cut the ties, like we did with that other self-interested oaf, Lukaku. The guy who started the “green shoots” thread is spot on.
 
If Barca get Neymar, I think Real will be under pressure to respond with a big transfer of their own. I could still see them coming in for him. I hope not though, because as much as I'm not a fan of his, we need to replace him before we sell.
 
I honestly think Pogba is over rated. He is capable of some great play but only randomly with no consistency. That being said he is our best player and we are somewhat reliant on him. It’s pretty obvious too that he wants to be elsewhere.

Now reread that and drink it in. We are reliant on an over rated player who does not even want to be here!!! That’s how low we have sunk thanks to the Glazers.

I’m not sure how Ole wriggles out of this one. Maybe if we magically make top 3 this year and the Glazers promise him 500million to spend......

No I don’t think it will happen either. Tough times ahead but at least we are trying to play football now.
 
Denis' cuff said:
His agent has been making disruptive comments.

His brother has been making disruptive comments.

Pogba has been making his own version of “only God knows”.

He isn’t committed here. feck him off to anyone willing to pay what this fabulous professional is worth. Truth is, nobody is willing to cough up. Cut the ties, like we did with that other self-interested oaf, Lukaku. The guy who started the “green shoots” thread is spot on.
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Apart from Zidane I don’t think Madrid really want him or he would already be there, wasn’t he bottom of the annual fans poll of what player they would want or close to it?
 
Exchange him with Kroos in January. Also give Matic and Rojo to West Ham for Rice and finally buy Maddison. Then wait until summer in order to buy Sancho.
 
I'll leave this to the followers who watch tons of football and know the ins/outs of, and to perhaps guide me/others... but why do United managers persist with this guy playing deep versus just giving him free reign to bring the best from?
Was free reign what made him shine at Juve?
Is playing deep necessary as the club has no other creative player to help start attacks, and thus he must?
Is he a #10 or a #8? What will allow him to shine and not be required to put in the shifts he simply does not want to put in?
 
MrMarcello said:
I'll leave this to the followers who watch tons of football and know the ins/outs of, and to perhaps guide me/others... but why do United managers persist with this guy playing deep versus just giving him free reign to bring the best from?
Was free reign what made him shine at Juve?
Is playing deep necessary as the club has no other creative player to help start attacks, and thus he must?
Is he a #10 or a #8? What will allow him to shine and not be required to put in the shifts he simply does not want to put in?
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Good post
 
I don’t necessarily see him as a 10 but he made more in the 15 mins after Matic came on and he had more freedom. Surely a McT / Fred pivot with Pogba ahead of them would be more productive than what we currently have.

I would also question why two deeper CMs would be needed for matches like today...
 
MrMarcello said:
I'll leave this to the followers who watch tons of football and know the ins/outs of, and to perhaps guide me/others... but why do United managers persist with this guy playing deep versus just giving him free reign to bring the best from?
Was free reign what made him shine at Juve?
Is playing deep necessary as the club has no other creative player to help start attacks, and thus he must?
Is he a #10 or a #8? What will allow him to shine and not be required to put in the shifts he simply does not want to put in?
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He’s just an awkward player to fit into a tactically disciplined team, no matter where. In other words a luxury player, someone who’ll shine when added to a fully functioning, well-oiled machine, but not someone to build the machine around.
 
Pogba should be playing further foward in a free role. His obvious/best talents are in the attacking third.
Fact is, right now, we have nobody better to play in midfield. We cannot rely on Matic and Fred for obvious reasons.

So, instead of us bitching about how he is not our ideal midfielder, we should just accept his limitations and move on.
We do not have anyone better, and we are not going to have anyone better for at least another 4 months (assuming we try for another player in the Jan window). Worst case scenario is we get another player next summer and let Pogba go.

This continuous complaining of Pogba is ridiculous. Just accept it. You will probably feel much better.
 
He's too poor in possession to play deep in midfield, he's too lazy without the ball to play as an AM in a high pressing team, he's too much of a luxury player to adapt to a system that isn't built totally around him.

It might be possible to get a world class player out of Pogba, but there are so many hoops to jump through that it's probably not worth the time and effort for a club in transition like ours.

If he goes, I'll be disappointed the experiment didn't work but glad that the experiment is finally over.
 
Do you reckon if we sold him this summer we'd have replaced him? I mean, maybe we never remotely entertained the idea of selling him, and so never considered alternatives/replacements... But yeah, I wonder what that list, if it exists, looks like.
 
Garebo said:
Exchange him with Kroos in January. Also give Matic and Rojo to West Ham for Rice and finally buy Maddison. Then wait until summer in order to buy Sancho.
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Why will all this time that are better than you at the moment give you their best players for players that are obviously not good enough.
 
He’s gone in the summer he’d be stupid not to leave or sign a new contract. With Matic likely to leave, Fred still a flop and Mctominay being bang average it’s a huge midfield rebuild.
 
Roboc7 said:
He’s gone in the summer he’d be stupid not to leave or sign a new contract. With Matic likely to leave, Fred still a flop and Mctominay being bang average it’s a huge midfield rebuild.
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So it’s our fault or his fault the one point two million pound a month is ducking useless?
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
So it’s our fault or his fault the one point two million pound a month is ducking useless?
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He’s not been good enough but he’s surrounded by dross. He’s a talented player whose wasting his career here, this is no longer a club you stay at if you are talented or ambitious.
 
Roboc7 said:
He’s not been good enough but he’s surrounded by dross. He’s a talented player whose wasting his career here, this is no longer a club you stay at if you are talented or ambitious.
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Or he could man up, put a shift in and produce.
 
Super talented with his passing and vision, he really needs to go to show what he can do with the ball supplying to top players. He's like a tall Paul Scholes but we keep trying to put him as this all encompassing player.

I'm stunned all the midfielders that moved this summer not one brought in, we needed two. Our midfield is so third rate and we have an attack who keep failing when they get put in. Seeing Rashford today instead of trying to setup teammate in the middle of the box he just loops one to the byline. James with some super balls in but we have no-one able enough to get on the end of them.

I hope we can get Fred back and get Paul further forward with McTom/Matic holding, Fred doing Herrera's role and Pogba in front of them.
 
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Roboc7 said:
He’s not been good enough but he’s surrounded by dross. He’s a talented player whose wasting his career here, this is no longer a club you stay at if you are talented or ambitious.
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This is exactly what Souness has been saying for years

Pogba is ultra-talented, but won't try hard enough unless everyone around him helps him.

His mentality at United is that of somebody who'll share the glory when it comes his way, but won't drag others to it despite his talent being good enough to raise the team.
 
2cents said:
He’s just an awkward player to fit into a tactically disciplined team, no matter where. In other words a luxury player, someone who’ll shine when added to a fully functioning, well-oiled machine, but not someone to build the machine around.
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Exactly.
 
MrMarcello said:
I'll leave this to the followers who watch tons of football and know the ins/outs of, and to perhaps guide me/others... but why do United managers persist with this guy playing deep versus just giving him free reign to bring the best from?
Was free reign what made him shine at Juve?
Is playing deep necessary as the club has no other creative player to help start attacks, and thus he must?
Is he a #10 or a #8? What will allow him to shine and not be required to put in the shifts he simply does not want to put in?
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It's insane. It's Man Utd in a nutshell. Basically, successive managers have wanted Pogba to put a shift in, and set the tempo, but also be box to box, assisting and getting goals, while remaining tactically disciplined. It's been absurd. He's doing fine this season, with a restricted, framed role. But I'd love to see him given free reign to attack from 10. No idea why it doesn't happen.
 
MrMarcello said:
I'll leave this to the followers who watch tons of football and know the ins/outs of, and to perhaps guide me/others... but why do United managers persist with this guy playing deep versus just giving him free reign to bring the best from?
Was free reign what made him shine at Juve?
Is playing deep necessary as the club has no other creative player to help start attacks, and thus he must?
Is he a #10 or a #8? What will allow him to shine and not be required to put in the shifts he simply does not want to put in?
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Ole wants to press high in the final third, hence why Sanchez and Lukaku have gone and Mata rarely plays.

Lingard and James give Ole two of the best pressers in the league. The idea is to create space for Pogba to run into and exploit. Menawhile, by starting deep, Pogba should have an easier time of switching the play. At least in theory.

Basically, our team tactics are about forcing errors in the final third, with Pogba allowed to be the spare man in the final third.

If we're being honest, it's actually working. Our attacking play has been much better this season. Unfortunately, individual errors in defence and poor finishing up top have made things look worse than they are.
 
fps said:
It's insane. It's Man Utd in a nutshell. Basically, successive managers have wanted Pogba to put a shift in, and set the tempo, but also be box to box, assisting and getting goals, while remaining tactically disciplined. It's been absurd. He's doing fine this season, with a restricted, framed role. But I'd love to see him given free reign to attack from 10. No idea why it doesn't happen.
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Ole won how many games in a row putting Paul further forward. Only to drop him deep. Why? I get that our midfield sucks. But we had the summer to fix it. So giving the benefit of the doubt to Ole, its feckin Ed-Glazers fault. Ole's is persisting on playing shite like Pereira and Lingard and sadly, Mata.

Axel - McSauce
McSauce - Fred
Matic - Fred

Just keep Paul in the final third for everyone's good.
 
I see the knives are back out for Pogba :lol:

Let’s see where we are when the ‘luxury’ player leaves to be replaced by the industrious Longstaff.

I don’t know what people saw at Juve but he looked like a good player, enjoying his football & playing well. People act as if Pirlo was Kante.

He played well in a good team, playing good football.

I think it’s time he moved on but people acting as if running harder is his issue when he’s won a bloody World Cup as his countries leading midfielder are ridiculous.
 
MrMarcello said:
I'll leave this to the followers who watch tons of football and know the ins/outs of, and to perhaps guide me/others... but why do United managers persist with this guy playing deep versus just giving him free reign to bring the best from?
Was free reign what made him shine at Juve?
Is playing deep necessary as the club has no other creative player to help start attacks, and thus he must?
Is he a #10 or a #8? What will allow him to shine and not be required to put in the shifts he simply does not want to put in?
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The Premier League isn't suited to his style because his style is ideally one without any defensive responsibilities and in a top top team with quality around him. Even then, he goes through the motions at times throughout matches where he's sloppy and slow on the ball.

He always played in a midfield 3 at Juve, the best squad in Italy with Pirlo (a controlling, deep laying playmaker) behind him and a Marchisio, Vidal (traditional 8) to his right allowing him to roam about in the left channel. His left backs were typically Evra and Sandro. If he played with a left midfielder, it mostly was with Asamoah, who had a low goal/assist output during his time at Juve, but was more tactical. And the players who Pogba linked up the most for goals/assist at Juve were Vidal, Llorente, Manduzikic, Morata and Tevez (12 times).

Those are all very good to world class players aside from Asamoah.

At the recent World Cup, same thing even if it shows that Pogba did play a little deeper and was more reserved paired along side Kante or Nzonzi (the 6). Pogba played deeper, but there was always a Matuidi or Tolliso as the other CM, so effectively France played with 3 CMs. And their left backs and right backs were really good in Hernandez and Pavard. Obviously with Giroud, Griezmann and Mbappe, those are wonderful attackers.

So in summary, Pogba needs better players around him for him to really shine. He does not get free reign in the PL because he isn't on the best team nor does he have at least one top end CM paired with him.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
it’s time he moved on but people acting as if running harder is his issue when he’s won a bloody World Cup as his countries leading midfielder are ridiculous.
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This 'he won the World Cup' defence has to stop. He could be France's greatest ever player, top scorer and all-round talisman but it shouldn't stop him being judged on his performances for United...which are frequently very poor.

Also, one of the league's most criticised players, Ozil has won a World Cup...does that mean nobody could ever question his work rate?
 
izzydiggler said:
This 'he won the World Cup' defence has to stop. He could be France's greatest ever player, top scorer and all-round talisman but it shouldn't stop him being judged on his performances for United...which are frequently very poor.

Also, one of the league's most criticised players, Ozil has won a World Cup...does that mean nobody could ever question his work rate?
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That’s right, quote my post & delete the other parts & focus on the France comment as if it were the only argument.

In context, I was stating he has shown he is capable of doing well, I also refer to his time at Juventus.

At what point do I say you can’t mention his work rate? & what the bloody hell has this got to do with Ozil? I get what you’re trying to do but it won’t work here - you want to talk about Pogba at United then start talking about Ozil at Arsenal when it suits. . .

If you want to focus solely on his United career let’s do so. . . Everyone can see his time at United has been disappointing but imo the blame aimed towards him is unjustified.

Since he signed who has been a better player at the club? Maybe, Zlatan in his 1 season but who else? then my mind goes blank. DDG has fell off a cliff, Maguire has played 4 games, Martial was a winger, Valencia was a one legged shin splitter, Herrera was the definition of mediocrity & so on - I honestly can’t think of a ‘better’ performer in his time here yet. . . people will twist arguments so they can have even more of a go at him.

His performances alone are not the issue & no one will ever convince me of that, if he were the worst player on the pitch every week I would understand but take the last 2 games for example, he hasn’t been ‘outstanding’ but 2 players have cost us directly for multiple goals; which was the case last season with a number of individual errors yet Pogba not having a 100% pass accuracy is the issue.

Pogba is not perfect, there are a number of games where he has been one of our worst performers, he is a flawed player but we don’t even have a Right Winger & are playing a 34 y/o winger at full back yet fans have riled themselves up so much they’d see us sell our only World Class talent.

Talent only gets you so far, as does Work Rate - running round a lot but not being able to do the things technically that Pogba can doesn’t make someone a better player.

We have a number of issues, Pogba is one but not the biggest.
 
MrMarcello said:
I'll leave this to the followers who watch tons of football and know the ins/outs of, and to perhaps guide me/others... but why do United managers persist with this guy playing deep versus just giving him free reign to bring the best from?
Was free reign what made him shine at Juve?
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Obviously no, considering he never had free reign at juventus in the first place

Nor with france at the world cup either

Is playing deep necessary as the club has no other creative player to help start attacks, and thus he must?
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That's what it looks like
Is he a #10 or a #8?
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An attacking #8

What will allow him to shine and not be required to put in the shifts he simply does not want to put in?
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If he does not want to put in the shifts then you're better off selling him. He's a great attacking player but not to the extent he can forgo everything else, he's not Zidane or Platini( and even if he were, in modern football that would only work if he played for a dominant team, like PSG in france. See also Ozil, Mesut)
 
Sterling Archer said:
Ole won how many games in a row putting Paul further forward. Only to drop him deep. Why? I get that our midfield sucks. But we had the summer to fix it. So giving the benefit of the doubt to Ole, its feckin Ed-Glazers fault. Ole's is persisting on playing shite like Pereira and Lingard and sadly, Mata.

Axel - McSauce
McSauce - Fred
Matic - Fred

Just keep Paul in the final third for everyone's good.
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I was so confused by that as well. It wasn't a coincidence that he started playing deeper and the team started losing! And yet that's where he's now playing regularly. I'd rather have two water carriers as the 2 DMs working purely to release Pogba, rather than have him feeding some less able player.
 
Dante said:
This is exactly what Souness has been saying for years

Pogba is ultra-talented, but won't try hard enough unless everyone around him helps him.

His mentality at United is that of somebody who'll share the glory when it comes his way, but won't drag others to it despite his talent being good enough to raise the team.
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Not even Ronaldo or Messi could raise this shower.
 
He was crap yesterday and we should expect more performances like that for rest of season. His head is elsewhere and doesn't want to be at the club. Just being patient and waiting for his move next summer.
 
Dante said:
This is exactly what Souness has been saying for years

Pogba is ultra-talented, but won't try hard enough unless everyone around him helps him.

His mentality at United is that of somebody who'll share the glory when it comes his way, but won't drag others to it despite his talent being good enough to raise the team.
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It has nothing with his mentality. He just never has been this type of football ever in his career. Why would you expect that from him at a bad club like Man United ?
 
fps said:
I was so confused by that as well. It wasn't a coincidence that he started playing deeper and the team started losing! And yet that's where he's now playing regularly. I'd rather have two water carriers as the 2 DMs working purely to release Pogba, rather than have him feeding some less able player.
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Exactly. Not only that, it would offset the fact we gave up two senior strikers (forget their form) since Paul was putting in goal and assist numbers that were enviable even for a decent striker!
 
Don't think Pogba's future will be here after this season, so as long as we get 150 or so million and spend it on 2/3 top Midfielders I don't care where he goes.
 
Bestietom said:
Don't think Pogba's future will be here after this season, so as long as we get 150 or so million and spend it on 2/3 top Midfielders I don't care where he goes.
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We can't trust the Glazers will invest the money in the club though. We rarely sign above three players a window. Can't see us buying 2-3 top midfielders in one window
 
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