Pogba Future

[Mainoldo]

I'm not judging Pogba against what else we have in our midfield, he's obviously more talented with the ball than all of them. However a) the others aren't saying they want to leave, b) they're on far less money and c) they're not a distraction off the pitch. The rest will be squad players eventually if we get back to the level we want to be, or they'll be moved on with no fuss.

Pogba is supposed to be our star player and he's nothing but a problem. Half of the time he's apparently not happy here, then he's underperforming etc. Yet we apparently need to build a midfield to suit him. How are we supposed to take that risk if he doesn't want to stay? Surely the wise decision is to sell him for big money and build a new midfield.

What’s the difference between Pogba and Hazard? Absolutely nothing, just one set of fans appreciated the player they had.

Hazard has wanted to leave for years don’t see if ever being a problem. He’s never carried his team, he actually does look moody and every summer he seems to have been talking about somewhere else. My point being if you can’t see we just hold Pogba at different standards to anyone else you won’t get it.

 

[devilish]

Why are you dragging a City, Liverpool and a Chelsea player into this?

 

[beedoubleyou]

This whole saga seems all too familiar...



Wazza was right

He wasn't though, was he? How much have we spent since then? How much have we invested in managers? It's all been done wrong until we gave Mou the boot, but you can hardly accuse the club of not throwing money at the problem.

 

[pocco]

If I was a 3/10 player I'd try my hardest too knowing I was out of my depth.
A 8 or 9/10 can put 50% effort in and yet be better than a 3/10 playing out his skin.
It's a good thing though that you like Mctominay because you'll have your wish granted and then probably struggle to realise why we are even shitter in midfield than before

I'm convinced that people like you ruin these players with this sort of rubbish. Pogba's social media gets flooded with this crap all season.

 

[Mcking]

I don't get into fanboy pedantry.

Jog on.

Makes a ridiculous claim, challenged for it, wipes out the fanboy card. The anti-Pogba brigade in one capsule. Of course you wouldn't recall actual performances if you keep lapping up media-driven narratives. 'Acquitted himself consistently' by being average in some games and below average every other game, while our top player's contributions 'mean feck all'. If you are going to keep talking out of your backside, then you can as well jog on too.

 

[VP89]

I'm convinced that people like you ruin these players with this sort of rubbish. Pogba's social media gets flooded with this crap all season.

Here's a new one. It's their fault Pogbas not very good. Because they don't rate him, it's ruining him.

 

[Leftback99]

Yes, serious mental gymnastics. You divided a set of statistics which were presented as a whole, comparing each part to that of nitpicked certain players in order to derogate the info and paint Pogba in an unfavourable light. He did provide just two more assists than Burnley's Westwood, but why didn't you use City's Bernardo or David Silva who provided less than Pogba's nine assists, but went with Westwood instead? I guess it was also easier to ignore the fact that Westwood had less than 20 key passes from open play compared to Pogba's 53. Did you know that Kante had 5 less assists than Pogba too and that Maddison played less key passes and provided 4 less assists than Pogba from open play, but that wouldn't fit into your mental gymnastics right? Did Kante, Maddison and Westwood top each of those statistics for their teammates or is it much easier to nitpick, and how many of those statistics would the amount of penalties he took impact?
You'd be better off trying to compare him to the best midfielders at other clubs than doing that embarrassing mental gymnastics.

You didn't answer the question. Would you expect another player playing the most minutes for us in an attacking midfield position to be top of those statistics? You posted those stats as if they were amazing, and impossible to replace, they aren't.

 

[pocco]

Marca is very optimistic in their printed edition.
"Pogba on the fast track."
Apparently they want to sign him before 1st of July when you start the preseason, and they assume (the newspaper I suppose) that this fast route will suppose going far above 150m

Spoiler

Sounds like this should happen soon then. That'll be a relief.

 

[pocco]

Here's a new one. It's their fault Pogbas not very good. Because they don't rate him, it's ruining him.

Think you've misread what i said?

EDIT: Might make more sense now, i quoted two posts by accident.

 

[pocco]

No, we fecked up signing a player who acted like he had unfinished business in a club he cared about but in truth was only chasing money. I doubt he’s too bothered about it considering Raiola is already engineering his next payday.

Makes you wonder if those stories were true when we signed him. Apparently Raiola wanted Pogba to use United as a stepping stone to La Liga to get two big pay days. Same as what he's doing with De Ligt.

 

[wolvored]

What’s the difference between Pogba and Hazard? Absolutely nothing, just one set of fans appreciated the player they had.

Hazard has wanted to leave for years don’t see if ever being a problem. He’s never carried his team, he actually does look moody and every summer he seems to have been talking about somewhere else. My point being if you can’t see we just hold Pogba at different standards to anyone else you won’t get it.

The difference is that 90% of the time Hazard was motm for Chelsea and did put a shift in. Pogba was motm in about 25% and mainly strolled around creating nothing. If he does that again we will be looking at 6th again

 

[Massive Spanner]

You lot are mad. Our best player last season who was the only non Pool/City player in the PFA team of the year and people actually want him gone. As if our other big players in positions like that never kicked up a fuss eh?

 

[beedoubleyou]

You lot are mad. Our best player last season who was the only non Pool/City player in the PFA team of the year and people actually want him gone. As if our other big players in positions like that never kicked up a fuss eh?

He's openly engineering a move away. It doesn't matter if he's good or not.

 

[Massive Spanner]

He's openly engineering a move away. It doesn't matter if he's good or not.

Ah so he's the only player ever to openly ask for a move away only to do a u-turn and stay?

Seem to recall Ramos doing the exact same thing this summer, funnily enough.

 

[VP89]

Think you've misread what i said?

EDIT: Might make more sense now, i quoted two posts by accident.

Sorry, the double quote was what got me

 

[spiriticon]

C'mon Madrid/Juventus/whoever. £150 million and a deal is pretty much done.

 

[The Nani]

Makes a ridiculous claim, challenged for it, wipes out the fanboy card. The anti-Pogba brigade in one capsule. Of course you wouldn't recall actual performances if you keep lapping up media-driven narratives. 'Acquitted himself consistently' by being average in some games and below average every other game, while our top player's contributions 'mean feck all'. If you are going to keep talking out of your backside, then you can as well jog on too.

I’m no Pogba hater. I was even more of an apologist until the end of this season.

But go on making excuses for his abject, inconsistent and selfish performances while belittling an academy product who made the step up and contributed to the team far more consistently.

Or you could just watch a match without being so emotionally invested in one player.

Or you could take your fandom to Pogba’s next club.

All legitimate options. I prefer the latter.

 

[Che Guevara]

I don't get all this Pogba-hate. He was easily United's best player last season, and stats clearly vindicate him.

 

[foolsgold]

He's openly engineering a move away. It doesn't matter if he's good or not.

Agree, crossed the line, it's a tricky getting paid properly in these circumstances though.

Time to get rid, basically he got Jose fired. I shed no tears for Jose, his time was up but said at the time that Pogba needed to be out the door with him. No place for egos like that here

 

[kouroux]

The difference is that 90% of the time Hazard was motm for Chelsea and did put a shift in. Pogba was motm in about 25% and mainly strolled around creating nothing. If he does that again we will be looking at 6th again

I can understand the "strolling around" criticism but creating nothing ? Nah, that's OTT

 

[AJ10]

The difference is that 90% of the time Hazard was motm for Chelsea and did put a shift in. Pogba was motm in about 25% and mainly strolled around creating nothing. If he does that again we will be looking at 6th again

I criticise pogba for many things just like everyone else but isn't he the top of the list for chance creation in midfield? Not sure how he can be largely blamed for us not finish in top 4 when we have attackers missing sitter after sitter and defenders/Keeper making basic errors in games. Just look at Arsenal/Wolves/Chelsea/Last 2 games.... Missed easy chances /made basic errors at the back, sure you can blame him for lack of effort, consistency etc not sure how he can be blamed for others being shit.

 

[Adnan]

He wasn't though, was he? How much have we spent since then? How much have we invested in managers? It's all been done wrong until we gave Mou the boot, but you can hardly accuse the club of not throwing money at the problem.

They (Glazers) only loosened the purse strings due to us not making the Champions League IMO. They have never shown ambition as far as winning titles and European Cups etc like a club of our stature should. Making top 4 is more than enough for them. Rooney was spot on IMO

 

[Mcking]

You didn't answer the question. Would you expect another player playing the most minutes for us in an attacking midfield position to be top of those statistics? You posted those stats as if they were amazing, and impossible to replace, they aren't.

All? No, I wouldn't. But if the player is levels above all his teammates, then I probably would.

 

[Ciedre]

I fail to believe it’s performance. The whole teams been crap and he’s been the best out of them all. How can you be the top target when in reality you and Lindelof gave the best performances out of a whole season. It makes no sense.

I would think supporters demand more from record signings like Pogba. I tried to watch as many United matches as I could last season, and for the most part Pogba just looked like he couldn't be bothered to run after the ball. He had what, 10 games or so where he looked like he put in some real effort?
I find it strange that so many in here mention Rabiot as the replacement, but I dont understand why anyone want to replace a player with a lot of controversy and a crap agent for another player famous for the exact same thing. There are so many young and good players out there that would have been a better fit, just look at the players Ajax had this season, or Monaco a few seasons ago. United should have aimed to do the same, get the talent and develop a real team, cause unlike the two clubs I mentioned, United has the economy to keep them in the club when things turn around.
I could understand I'd the club paid up for a player like Sancho who is a massive talent, and Koulibaly, because you have seen what a good defender can add to a team.

At least now you have a manager that can develop a team, but if he's the right manager is something I dont know. But it would be stupid to sack him without giving him a chance to build a team without "stars" like Pogba that seems determined to leave.
A player like Isco would maybe not be bad for you guys in a part trade, and let him play in his favourite position, but knowing how the club has conducted business, you'll probably end up with a injury prone Bale.

 

[shahzy]

No offense but that's a terrible logic and football doesn't work like that at all.

Darren fletcher was a decent player for united because he had quality around him whilst he just did the simple things. Fletcher was a much better player than Mctominay is and we also have barely any quality in the side. On top of that, the quality that we do have (1 outfield player) is now wanting to leave. This Mctominay experiment is bound to fail

What a load of bollocks.

Laughable after reading some of your posts on here frankly.

We? So you're not taking your support for Pogba with him when he leaves?

Was long here before Pogba and will be long here after Pogba. My apologies for feeling like the club is being run by fecking morons right now who are running it into the ground

 

[crossy1686]

I’m no Pogba hater. I was even more of an apologist until the end of this season.

But go on making excuses for his abject, inconsistent and selfish performances while belittling an academy product who made the step up and contributed to the team far more consistently.

Or you could just watch a match without being so emotionally invested in one player.

Or you could take your fandom to Pogba’s next club.

All legitimate options. I prefer the latter.

Look at the divide Pogba has caused on here, the poll for him to leave is 50/50 at the moment which I think says it all.

Swap out Pogba and swap in Beckham, Ronaldo or Van Nistelrooy and the narrative would be 100% different. Pogba has done no more or less than Veron during his time here.

 

[Patrick08]

25% pay cut just isn't settling well with this players downing tools at the end of the season.

 

[el3mel]

Darren fletcher was a decent player for united because he had quality around him whilst he just did the simple things. Fletcher was a much better player than Mctominay is and we also have barely any quality in the side. On top of that, the quality that we do have (1 outfield player) is now wanting to leave. This Mctominay experiment is bound to fail


Laughable after reading some of your posts on here frankly.


Was long here before Pogba and will be long here after Pogba. My apologies for feeling like the club is being run by fecking morons right now who are running it into the ground

Your point about a top player putting 50% effort and still be better than average player running his socks off is a terrible logic and it is not what actually happen. Pogba himself was contained several times by average players while putting zero efforts.

If you aren't putting efforts in your playing, whatever quality you have, you will get defeated.

 

[shahzy]

I'm convinced that people like you ruin these players with this sort of rubbish. Pogba's social media gets flooded with this crap all season.

First of all i don't even use social media like Instagram which you are clearly referring to. Second of all this makes absolute no sense. How can a person saying that on his social media ruin said player? By making him think he's better than he is so in turn he puts in less effort and blames the rest of the team? Is that the point you're making?

Perhaps you should move over to the Marcus Rashford thread and write this exact statement when the media put him up there next to Mbappe. Nice one mate.

 

[Mainoldo]

The difference is that 90% of the time Hazard was motm for Chelsea and did put a shift in. Pogba was motm in about 25% and mainly strolled around creating nothing. If he does that again we will be looking at 6th again

90% of the time? When’s the last time Hazard has turned up against us? 90% of the time? He was in a team that was close to relegation, was no where near us the season before and this season is probably the worst Chelsea teams I’ve witnessed under Ambramovic. Infact it is the worst.

 

[shahzy]

Your point about a top player putting 50% effort and still be better than average player running his socks off is a terrible logic and it is not what actually happen. Pogba himself was contained several times by average players while putting zero efforts.

If you aren't putting efforts in your playing, whatever quality you have, you will get defeated.

Will have to disagree to agree there. A higher skilled person in any profession can achieve the same outcome with less effort than someone who is less skilled. Now that's not me excusing him for not putting in 100% effort. Thats me being annoyed how the fans are so easily OK with losing one of our very few players that do have a world class level of skill. It wouldn't matter as much had we had a great team littered with talent all over and him leaving wouldnt be a massive deal, however the fact is we dont. He's the only outfield player we had that looked like he could do anything, the rest wouldn't go amiss in a team like West ham. I hope the recruitment will be atleast sufficient but judging by Woodwards track record that is likely not going to happen.

 

[Mainoldo]

I would think supporters demand more from record signings like Pogba. I tried to watch as many United matches as I could last season, and for the most part Pogba just looked like he couldn't be bothered to run after the ball. He had what, 10 games or so where he looked like he put in some real effort?
I find it strange that so many in here mention Rabiot as the replacement, but I dont understand why anyone want to replace a player with a lot of controversy and a crap agent for another player famous for the exact same thing. There are so many young and good players out there that would have been a better fit, just look at the players Ajax had this season, or Monaco a few seasons ago. United should have aimed to do the same, get the talent and develop a real team, cause unlike the two clubs I mentioned, United has the economy to keep them in the club when things turn around.
I could understand I'd the club paid up for a player like Sancho who is a massive talent, and Koulibaly, because you have seen what a good defender can add to a team.

At least now you have a manager that can develop a team, but if he's the right manager is something I dont know. But it would be stupid to sack him without giving him a chance to build a team without "stars" like Pogba that seems determined to leave.
A player like Isco would maybe not be bad for you guys in a part trade, and let him play in his favourite position, but knowing how the club has conducted business, you'll probably end up with a injury prone Bale.

Replace Pogba with Isco? It’s a terrible idea and goes against everything you was blabbing on about before. Tell me how Isco fits and how he works harder than Pogba? Real Madrid flipping can’t get rid of him. Pretty much says it all.

 

[Esquire]

Name me a better Centre Midfielder in world football?

If he was so 'lazy' , then explain 19 goals from Centre Midfield ? Seems like the opposition can't be all that then? Maybe him being so 'lazy' is the reason Deschamps picks him for France (and they DO have other options available..).

Too many people want Pogba to be the person, the personality, the player that THEY wish to see. Doesn't work that way. As I said, he was as much part of what was wrong at United within that horrible period with Mourinho, as much as any other player. But not more responsible than any other player.

He's a truly, genuine, world-class player, and they're are not many of those around.

I mean who is arguing with you on your points? I don’t think anyone can possibly deny he is world class on his day. But he is not consistent and he wants to leave. He’s made that pretty clear. Isn’t it time we either play hard ball and make him stay and honour his contract or get a good return on our investment?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Look at the divide Pogba has caused on here, the poll for him to leave is 50/50 at the moment which I think says it all.

Swap out Pogba and swap in Beckham, Ronaldo or Van Nistelrooy and the narrative would be 100% different. Pogba has done no more or less than Veron during his time here.

It's a dumb, biased poll because we're getting two quality players in return for him.

If the poll was "Would you sell him for £150m with no idea who'll actually replace him?" then do you think it'd be 50/50?

 

[Hammondo]

What’s the difference between Pogba and Hazard? Absolutely nothing, just one set of fans appreciated the player they had.

Hazard has wanted to leave for years don’t see if ever being a problem. He’s never carried his team, he actually does look moody and every summer he seems to have been talking about somewhere else. My point being if you can’t see we just hold Pogba at different standards to anyone else you won’t get it.

Hazard is much better and worked harder.

 

[crossy1686]

It's a dumb, biased poll because we're getting two quality players in return for him.

If the poll was "Would you sell him for £150m with no idea who'll actually replace him?" then do you think it'd be 50/50?

Of course not, I think if people remembered they could change their vote it would be different, never mind if it said we could get £150m for him and these three players (Rabiot, Tielemans, Fernandes) in return.

 

[sullydnl]

It's a dumb, biased poll because we're getting two quality players in return for him.

If the poll was "Would you sell him for £150m with no idea who'll actually replace him?" then do you think it'd be 50/50?

"Would you sell him for £150m?" would definitely be a better poll.

 

[Hammondo]

All? No, I wouldn't. But if the player is levels above all his teammates, then I probably would.

Since he takes the pens his position is basically favourite to top those stats.

 

[Nickthepip]

It's a dumb, biased poll because we're getting two quality players in return for him.

If the poll was "Would you sell him for £150m with no idea who'll actually replace him?" then do you think it'd be 50/50?

If we get a sensible bid, £100m plus and he wants to leave, I’d let him go without a second thought. It’s not worked out for either party, take the money back and try a different approach. I’m not into slating him for the social media stuff etc but I wouldn’t want anyone to be at the club who didn’t want to be, that included Ronaldo who was the best player I’ve ever seen at United.

 

[Leftback99]

All? No, I wouldn't. But if the player is levels above all his teammates, then I probably would.

I don't disagree that he's our most talented player but it's more about our other players being poor rather than Pogba being that good this season. It's telling he didn't get our players' player or even fans player of the year.