No, if I was Mr Rich I'd have scalped and not given a shit about fighting for one!
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No, if I was Mr Rich I'd have scalped and not given a shit about fighting for one!
I do play on a 144hz monitor, thankfully high refresh rates are the single reason I continue to play competitive FPS games solely on PC. A lot of PC games can't even be extended beyond 60fps without editing config files, and others just run horrifically. You ever tried running a Bethesda game at over 60fps? It's absolute jank galore (yes I know its Bethesda, but even by their standards its borderline unplayable). Even the reputable big boys seem to treat PC versions with contempt - remember the shitshow that was GTA IV on PC? Don't get me wrong, the PC is still my preferred platform of choice, but I don't think it offers that much more in this era compared to bygone eras, where it felt like an entirely different experience altogether.
I'm almost certainly younger than you ya cheeky sodYeah, the "most games are capped at 60fps" comment shows how out of touch you are Kaos my boomer friend
And I know you have a PS5, that doesn't make your scalping point valid. I have a PS5, X and a 3070 and I didn't over pay for any of them via scalpers.
You seem to be talking about old games.
Show me a modern FPS that restricts you to 60? Hell you even use one of the main strengths of the PC against it in that we can customise the games to suit
You are getting old. Want to put your feet up infront of the tele playing some dumbed game on your controller? What have you become!
I'm almost certainly younger than you ya cheeky sod
Ok Boomer.
I do play on a 144hz monitor, thankfully high refresh rates are the single reason I continue to play competitive FPS games solely on PC. A lot of PC games can't even be extended beyond 60fps without editing config files, and others just run horrifically. You ever tried running a Bethesda game at over 60fps? It's absolute jank galore (yes I know its Bethesda, but even by their standards its borderline unplayable). Even the reputable big boys seem to treat PC versions with contempt - remember the shitshow that was GTA IV on PC? Don't get me wrong, the PC is still my preferred platform of choice, but I don't think it offers that much more in this era compared to bygone eras, where it felt like an entirely different experience altogether.
I'm almost certainly younger than you ya cheeky sod
GTA VI released like 12 years ago.
RDR 2 is amazing on PC and the console versions don’t come close.
I don’t agree with a lot of PC games need to be configured to play over 60 FPS. Played Doom Eternal at 200 FPS the other day and did not configure a file. Gears 5, Outer worlds and Halo MCC were running at 120 FPS. Horizon can run over 100 FPS.
I have yet to see a game that has made me play at 60FPS only. I got a 3090, but a lot of these games run pretty much like above on a 3080 at 1440p.
Dont see the point if you have a ps4. Your paying 1300 to play Demons Souls. Which is pretty mad
This is madness.
That's just not true.I do play on a 144hz monitor, thankfully high refresh rates are the single reason I continue to play competitive FPS games solely on PC. A lot of PC games can't even be extended beyond 60fps without editing config files, and others just run horrifically. You ever tried running a Bethesda game at over 60fps? It's absolute jank galore (yes I know its Bethesda, but even by their standards its borderline unplayable). Even the reputable big boys seem to treat PC versions with contempt - remember the shitshow that was GTA IV on PC? Don't get me wrong, the PC is still my preferred platform of choice, but I don't think it offers that much more in this era compared to bygone eras, where it felt like an entirely different experience altogether.
I'm almost certainly younger than you ya cheeky sod
It's Ode's money. If he has it to hand and spending it won't result in financial difficulties for him further down the line, I'm not one to judge. Shame that you weren't able to get one for face value but at least you'll be able to try it first to ensure it works. Enjoy @Ødegaard
And people are also allowed to think scalping is a shite practice that at very least shouldn't be openly praised.
But each to their own!
But each to their own!
Nobody's openly praising it, where did you see that? Do you think people would think the problem was gone if he hadn't posted about his console, and what about his post could be construed as praise for scalpers?
It's an investment in something that's in high demand, and yes, it's shitty because a lot of gamers are queuing for it and are being leapfrogged by people willing to pay their way past the queue, but as an investment it's not much different to buying a stock and then selling it to someone else for a higher price than you bought it for.
Good for you if you can afford to do it @Ødegaard, when I want something I'm always looking for the best prices but if it's something I really want I'd pay above within what I can afford no probs.
I've been console gaming since sega megadrive and had all the playstations, but console gaming just doesn't do it for me anymore. Cyberpunk and Gears 5 were first non-fifa games that got me wanting to play again, to the point I picked up a 3070 [paid about £85 extra for it] and other bits for the PC to do it decently enough and I'm loving it! With grand strategy, FM and all the games available on Steam and Gamepass I don't think I'll ever need to go back to consoles.
I've been console gaming since sega megadrive and had all the playstations, but console gaming just doesn't do it for me anymore. Cyberpunk and Gears 5 were first non-fifa games that got me wanting to play again, to the point I picked up a 3070 [paid about £85 extra for it] and other bits for the PC to do it decently enough and I'm loving it! With grand strategy, FM and all the games available on Steam and Gamepass I don't think I'll ever need to go back to consoles.
The TT game alone costs more than I paid for a year of game pass
And it’s on there. I think all those Yakuzas are being added too?
I don’t think anyone is saying that he can’t do what he wants with his money, which of course he can.
But that’s a separate point to recognising that by spending that much, it is that collective attitude that allows a place for scalpers.
On the other hand you may critique Sony for not pricing their console efficiently.
But that’s a separate point to recognising that by spending that much, it is that collective attitude that allows a place for scalpers.
On the other hand you may critique Sony for not pricing their console efficiently.
There is just too many comments to start replying to all of them individually.
But yes, I'm fine with the price. I dislike scalpers and would prefer their practices to end completely, and think there should be a law against that practice.
That said, I think the guy I'm buying from is in pexbos situation or in a bad situation money wise. He has 1 or 2 ps5's, only 1 out for sale. He has earlier said no to an offer of 1200 ish, so he isn't trying to shift as many as possible.
From what I've gathered there comes a batch of ps5 to Norway around March, but those are already sold, with no info about the batch after that, meaning I could have ended up waiting for a long time still. The cheapest I've seen on the private market is at around 800, but those are also from people who aren't in my city and from what I remember they are also on newly made accounts making it suspicious.
But yes, I'm fine with the price. I dislike scalpers and would prefer their practices to end completely, and think there should be a law against that practice.
That said, I think the guy I'm buying from is in pexbos situation or in a bad situation money wise. He has 1 or 2 ps5's, only 1 out for sale. He has earlier said no to an offer of 1200 ish, so he isn't trying to shift as many as possible.
From what I've gathered there comes a batch of ps5 to Norway around March, but those are already sold, with no info about the batch after that, meaning I could have ended up waiting for a long time still. The cheapest I've seen on the private market is at around 800, but those are also from people who aren't in my city and from what I remember they are also on newly made accounts making it suspicious.
The costs can balloon pretty quickly though. A 3070 is more expensive than any console; a 144Hz monitor can be cheap-ish at this point but still an extra cost (if we assume that you'd have a TV anyway, console or not). I thought about upgrading my PC but I'd pretty much have to get a new one - motherboard, CPU, GPU. So the extra graphical fidelity is simply not worth it to me at this point. A PC set-up that costs as much as a PS5 (monitor included) won't reach 144 FPS either, not in the latest newest games anyway.
Of course I was never a graphics/FPS guy. I mainly prefer PC gaming because of full backwards compatibility, modding, and not having to pay extra for multiplayer (but I never really play multiplayer games anyway so...)
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PS5 Sackboy bundle on preorder
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Not really what I was saying though, money wasn't part of the discussion at all.
Anyway I would say it really depends on the situation. Two years ago in the latter years of the ps4 and xbone you could easily build a PC that was better value wise than spending money on buying them. Right now at the very start of the new gen, yeah, PS5 and Series X look like really good value. But in another few years that will shift yet again.
Anyway everyone knows you don't go PC over console for monetary reasons, you pretty much always have to accept that you will need to pay more for it. If the argument is that consoles are generally much cheaper as gaming devices than PC's, then obviously that's true. But if you are willing to spend the money on PC's it's a better place to play games in a lot of ways.
oh and you could also argue that all the different platforms and 3rd party sellers etc. on PC can drive costs down a lot over its lifespan vs consoles plus the fact that PC's are also more than just gaming devices but.. whatevz.
Not sure if already posted but a great piece if work from DF. The PS5 really is more powerful than meets the eye. It performs 20% better than an RTX 2070 super and 8.6% less than 3070 in native 4k with ray tracing.
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Let's go back to the original discussion then: Kaos wasn't exactly wrong about there being games where unlimited FPS still isn't a thing even on PC. He says he's a big Soulsborne fan and that makes sense: From Software games still need third-party mods to run at anything higher than 60 FPS on PC. You have to actively look for stuff to unlock it. It's not the norm but, well, consoles still do hold back PC games somewhat. When a developer doesn't rein in the PC version for the sake of the consoles - well that's when you get Cyberpunk, as you said.
The 144 Hz experience is nice but, for me at least, it really only makes a massive difference in first-person shooters. I was much better at Battlefront playing on my friend's PC than on my own. But Sekiro with unlocked framerate wasn't a drastically different and improved experience. So I'd say it also depends what sort of games you play.
Almost no PC game released in the last four or five years comes locked at 60fps. Are there games it does happen with? Sure, but it's a relatively small amount.
I mean obviously if you play an older game it might have limitations like that because back then high refresh rates simply weren't an important thing for PC gaming whereas now, they are.
Anyway I don't know what you are even arguing at this point. One minute it's cost, now about what Kaos said. I simply said that Kaos comments that PC games are poor ports of console games these days is bullshit. Which it clearly is.
I'd never recommend PC over console to play a driving game for example (although.. if you have a controller, it can still be better) but I didn't think I'd have to go and explain such obvious things to someone who is a PC gamer themselves
Both have their advantages and disadvantages, that's why I like to own both!So Game are now refuting claims that scalpers snagged over 2000 PS5's in one day: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...laims-2000-consoles-from-games-latest-restock
I was reading about how Walmart implemented an anti-bot system when they knew they were having a massive batch in. Within the first 30 minutes, they had blocked something like 20 million bots.
MPs are also calling for a ban on "automated buying bots" in the UK. Not sure how that would be enforced.
I was reading about how Walmart implemented an anti-bot system when they knew they were having a massive batch in. Within the first 30 minutes, they had blocked something like 20 million bots.
MPs are also calling for a ban on "automated buying bots" in the UK. Not sure how that would be enforced.
Slight disclaimer in that they couldn't lower the settings low enough to match the PS5 as the options aren't available.
I don't know what we're arguing either. I think my point is - I'm not actually sure - that for a significant amount of games, the PC version isn't necessarily a notably superior experience, and that consoles being the main market for games does hold back PC gaming to an extent. PC games might not be poor ports of console games but often they're an afterthought. Just look at every single game that ties physics to framerate - hello, Bethesda - which can cause extremely funky results when you're playing at 144 fps. Which also means that PC gaming's higher costs may or may not be worth it for any particular player, depending on the kind of games they're into.Almost no PC game released in the last four or five years comes locked at 60fps. Are there games it does happen with? Sure, but it's a relatively small amount.
I mean obviously if you play an older game it might have limitations like that because back then high refresh rates simply weren't an important thing for PC gaming whereas now, they are.
Anyway I don't know what you are even arguing at this point. One minute it's cost, now about what Kaos said. I simply said that Kaos comments that PC games are poor ports of console games these days is bullshit. Which it clearly is.
I'd never recommend PC over console to play a driving game for example (although.. if you have a controller, it can still be better) but I didn't think I'd have to go and explain such obvious things to someone who is a PC gamer themselves
A driving game might not be the greatest example actually, depending on the kind. For a hardcore, realistic simulator I'd say get it on PC and use a proper steering wheel with pedals and shit, and crank that framerate up for maximum smoothness and visual information.
OK, well I'd disagree then. I honestly can't think of any AA or AAA games that I've played in the last four or five years that were better to buy on console instead of PC? In pretty much every case the PC had better performance, graphics etc. and was generally cheaper, too.
That may shift temporarily due to the release of next-gen consoles but it'll probably revert back again in a few years.
EDIT Actually one example was Horizon which got a shitty port and Guerrila got absolutely slaughtered for it to the point where they are still patching it months and months after the release to try keep people happy!
Yeah, I'm not denying that, I'm saying that once a console game is capable of delivering 60 FPS, the difference ceases to be that great. In graphical fidelity, the PC will probably always be ahead but the gameplay experience will no longer be as drastically different as it was when consoles were still chugging along at 30 fps because going from 30 to 60 is night and day. In contrast, the PS5 is supposed to be able to deliver 4k at 120Hz with HDMI 2.1. At 120 fps, the PC would have basically no advantage in smoothness and responsiveness (above 60, diminishing returns do start to kick in and anything above 120 and you won't really notice the difference) so the main advantage would be visual fidelity. The gap will be smaller in this sense, even in the case of games where the PC version does take full advantage of the PC (again, looking at you, Bethesda or From Software for not doing that).
Of course most console games won't run at 120 FPS. But for the vast majority of people, new PC games don't, either, and games either don't take full advantage of the PC's power or if they do, you need a nuclear-powered quantum computer that can feel the Force to run them at their best. See Cyberpunk: you can, theoretically, run it at 4K on Ultra but then a 3090 will average around 35-40 fps. Then again, maybe in a few years PC hardware will be capable of, I don't know, time travel or something so that a €1500 PC will actually know in advance what you want to do in a game. And then consoles will look very silly with their traditional concept of the flow of time.
Yeah so I still don't know what you're trying to even argue here. I've already said the gap is much smaller than usual right now because the next-gen consoles just came out. All I said was that Kaos statement originally was bullshit and then you went on a big tirade about value and pc vs consoles and bla bla whatever, come on Siorac, admit you were fighting a battle that was never started!
I had someone message me on PSN at 1am last night saying "It's not worth it. He deserves to be in the basement. He ran toward the basement as he was being chased when I went to go grab u"
Weirded me out
I've messaged back and turns out he's a kid who was playing Dead By Daylight and was trying to message someone with the same username as me but he must've been on PC. We've had a nice chat about the game and I wished him well.
Weirded me out
I've messaged back and turns out he's a kid who was playing Dead By Daylight and was trying to message someone with the same username as me but he must've been on PC. We've had a nice chat about the game and I wished him well.
Dead by daylight is a lot of funI had someone message me on PSN at 1am last night saying "It's not worth it. He deserves to be in the basement. He ran toward the basement as he was being chased when I went to go grab u"
Weirded me out
I've messaged back and turns out he's a kid who was playing Dead By Daylight and was trying to message someone with the same username as me but he must've been on PC. We've had a nice chat about the game and I wished him well.
Get completely what you're saying and was gonna make the same point. PC's will naturally overpower consoles significantly in the next few years but the gap won't be as big now that consoles can dish out higher frame rates along with graphical horsepower. Even last gen console gamers were limited to 30fps, that's even on the ''pro'' versions they released. Now they're even going beyond 60fps in certain racers and shooters at acceptable resolutions.
I had someone message me on PSN at 1am last night saying "It's not worth it. He deserves to be in the basement. He ran toward the basement as he was being chased when I went to go grab u"
Weirded me out
I've messaged back and turns out he's a kid who was playing Dead By Daylight and was trying to message someone with the same username as me but he must've been on PC. We've had a nice chat about the game and I wished him well.
That's brilliant
No u!
But really, you also said this:
I'm saying that this advantage/benefit, call it what you want is 1) expensive as feck, 2) getting smaller anyway as consoles are improving, and can put out 1440p or even 4K at 120 Hz themselves.
I already said it's more expensive though, and then said the best place for bang for your buck is consoles. I would never dispute that. I simply dispute the idea that a good PC isn't worth it if you want the best possible gaming experience for a lot of games, because it is.
And look, everyone said the ps4 and xbone would be doing 1080p 60fps, they pretty much never did, then the ps4 pro was supposed to do 4k, nope. Not a hope the ps5 or xbone will hit 4k/120hz in a million years. Best we'll be getting as they go along is a choice between 1440p/60fps and 4k/30fps I'd say.
People say at the start of every generation that the gap is smaller than ever but then PC's spend the next six or seven years evolving and consoles stay as the same consoles (apart from the slightly upgraded pro version). So yeah right now, at the moment, PC gaming vs console isn't as good value wise or performance wise as it was 2 years ago or will be in another few years, but I already said that too.
Just get a decent pc and a ps5 then you don’t have to have these arguments or miss out on any games at all!
leave the redundant Xbox to the side!
leave the redundant Xbox to the side!
This is me, plus the Switch for the Nintendo exclusives and party games
.I actually prefer the Series X as a console due to its UI, controller and form factor, but as a predominantly PC gamer its pretty much a redundant piece of hardware for me.
This is what I want to do, I just can't justify myself, at this point, the cost of upgrading the PC
And believe me, I tried: I desperately want a new PC.Yes, it’s alright but it is very repetitive, but I don’t know how to make a shark game not repetitive though.