Players we could sign right now

MikeUpNorth said:
Haha, why are you talking to me like I don't understand the basics of football finance? I understand the financials perfectly well.

Yes, from a cashflow perspective, transfer spend takes place over period of time, and/or based on contractual milestones. And yes, from a P&L perspective player registration fees are typically amortised over the length of the contract.

The club has no issue with cashflow - as you say we have a good amount of cash on hand, and debt and contractual calls on capital are manageable.

The restriction on transfer spend will come from a P&L perspective, as any spend in excess of our average annual transfer spend necessarily reduces the amount available in future windows (unless the club is prepared to have a financial year or two where it posts significantly decreased profits).

The club could decide to spend £300m this summer, but that would effectively be using up 3 years of committed transfer spend in one window. I think that's unlikely.
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On this I basically agree. Gross spend is relevant. But you are still writing like its a cost to invest in players. It only is if its older players looking at their last contract.
We have not spent that much gross the last couple of years and if we presume that Matic or even Pogba goes; there goes a major part of the old "amortization".
We should be in a similar position as Real Madrid was this summer, and should be able to act like that. I will be disappointed if we dont. To be clear.
 
Johan07 said:
On this I basically agree. Gross spend is relevant. But you are still writing like its a cost to invest in players. It only is if its older players looking at their last contract.
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There are other ways a transfer can cost you from a financial perspective.
1. Disposal of a player for below their net book value
2. Them running their contract down
3. Contract extensions, and particularly escalating wages and signing fees

Johan07 said:
We have not spent that much gross the last couple of years and if we presume that Matic or even Pogba goes; there goes a major part of the old "amortization".
We should be in a similar position as Real Madrid was this summer, and should be able to act like that. I will be disappointed if we dont. To be clear.
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There is not much left of Matic's transfer fee to amortise, as he is in the last year of his contract. Most of his transfer fee has already been run through the books - I estimate there is around £12m left to amortise this year.

Paul Pogba has 2 years remaining on his contract and I estimate a value of around £36m left to amortise.

Therefore, these two players you mention would account for around £48m of the unamortised balance of £338.8m (as of 30 June 2019).
 
MikeUpNorth said:
There are other ways a transfer can cost you from a financial perspective.
1. Disposal of a player for below their net book value
2. Them running their contract down
3. Contract extensions, and particularly escalating wages and signing fees


There is not much left of Matic's transfer fee to amortise, as he is in the last year of his contract. Most of his transfer fee has already been run through the books - I estimate there is around £12m left to amortise this year.

Paul Pogba has 2 years remaining on his contract and I estimate a value of around £36m left to amortise.

Therefore, these two players you mention would account for around £48m of the unamortised balance of £338.8m (as of 30 June 2019).
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To be fair it would be interesting to see the exact numbers per named player specified, but we will never see the exact details in the official accounts I guess.
I would guess that it means that Lukaku is still on the books as well, so that might change for the nxt quarter, otherwise I dont really see how we still have to amortise that much still. Sanchez and Zlatan were both super-expensive but not from a transfer-fee perspective.
I still think that the clear-out this summer will mean that we will invest heavily next summer. But we will see I guess.
 
Johan07 said:
To be fair it would be interesting to see the exact numbers per named player specified, but we will never see the exact details in the official accounts I guess.
I would guess that it means that Lukaku is still on the books as well, so that might change for the nxt quarter, otherwise I dont really see how we still have to amortise that much still. Sanchez and Zlatan were both super-expensive but not from a transfer-fee perspective.
I still think that the clear-out this summer will mean that we will invest heavily next summer. But we will see I guess.
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Lukaku was still on the books at 30 June 2019, yes. But Maguire wasn't, so it more or less evens out.

Sanchez had a huge signing-on fee (circa £30m) which I imagine was amortised across the length of his contract in much the same way as a transfer fee.

Very roughly speaking, I guess it's something like:

AWB - £50m
James - £20m
Fred - £40m outstanding of £50m
Dalot - £16m outstanding of £20m
Lukaku - £55m outstanding of £75m
Matic - £12m outstanding of £40m
Lindelof - £15m outstanding of £30m
Sanchez - £20m outstanding of £30m
Pogba - £36m outstanding of £90m
Bailly - £15m outstanding of £35m

That gets you to around £280m of the £338m. Then there's probably some unamortised balances for contractual signing-on fees and extensions, and maybe some older transfer fees we rolled over with extended contracts (like Martial, Shaw, Rojo).

As well as the fact that the press may have underestimated the transfer fees we paid. Plus the drop in value of the pound could have retrospectively pushed up any outstanding transfer fees denominated in Euros. Either way, it's written there in the financial statement: £338m is unamortised as of June 2019.
 
Johan07 said:
Yeah, OK, you dont get basic financials. We will leave it at that.
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Aren't you a smug
Johan07 said:
Yeah, OK, you dont get basic financials. We will leave it at that.
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And this is a football forum last I checked, You often like to slip in smug remarks in your post as soon there is something you disagree with or dislike. Instead of explaining why it is incorrect to use a certain term or you feel a post is incorrect you often turn to petty remarks. You're a proper knob aren't you?

Let's leave it at that.
 
I reckon Usain Bolt would sign and have a go on the right wing. With James on the left, we'd have no shortage of pace.
 
SC Freiburg star Luca Waldschmidt will be available for €23 million next summer because of a release clause in his contract, Sport Bild claims.

The 23-year-old, who was recently called up to the German national team for the first time, was reportedly subject to interest from other clubs, including Borussia Mönchengladbach, after he ended as top-scorer at the European Under-21 Championship in the summer.

Waldschmidt wasn't interested in leaving Freiburg this summer, though, because he wanted to continue his development at Schwarzwald-Stadion, playing regular football. But Sport Bild believes the striker is likely to join a club that plays European football in 2020.

Waldschmidt, whose contract runs until 2022, scored nine goals in 32 appearances for Freiburg during the 2018/19 campaign. After playing four games this season, he has already netted three times.
 
I'm not really keen on getting anyone in right now, that would just be a panic buy for me, and I'm not convinced we'd end up getting what we really need. I'd rather hang on to the cash for the real deal.

The no-brainer for me, is to go for Eriksson in January, and a cheeky bid for Dembele. You never know.

In the Summer, Maddison and Sancho - and big, no-messing bids too - plus Longstaff for good measure.

If Ole can't snap at the heels of Liverpool and City with that squad, then Pochettino will, and he can bring Kane with him.

We're at the point in time now where the Glazers need to wake up and smell the coffee. Big investment now will pay back big, and soon, and for a good few years.
The rot has to stop, and the rot is at the top.

If that doesn't happen, then Someone else needs to get their hands on this club, and the sooner the better.
 
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I suppose we could hire Roy Keane on a free. He may not be able to move around much, but at least kick his useless teammates to play.
 
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Michael T said:
I'm not really keen on getting anyone in right now, that would just be a panic buy for me, and I'm not convinced we'd end up getting what we really need. I'd rather hang on to the cash for the real deal.

The no-brainer for me, is to go for Eriksson in January, and a cheeky bid for Dembele. You never know.

In the Summer, Maddison and Sancho - and big, no-messing bids too - plus Longstaff for good measure.

If Ole can't snap at the heels of Liverpool and City with that squad, then Pochettino will, and he can bring Kane with him.

We're at the point in time now where the Glazers need to wake up and smell the coffee. Big investment now will pay back big, and soon, and for a good few years.
The rot has to stop, and the rot is at the top.

If that doesn't happen, then Someone else needs to get their hands on this club, and the sooner the better.
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Why do so few people fail to understand this thread. 99% of the players mentioned can't be signed right now...
 
AlwaysRed66 said:
I suppose we could hire Roy Keane on a free. He may not be able to move around much, but at least kick his useless teammates to play.
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I'd hire him just to hang out outside Woodward's office and give him the death state everytime he comes out.
 
steve.crowford said:
it will be a disaster if in winter we sign Longstaff for 50 million pounds.
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Disaster is over cooking it. He's a good young player that could become a very good player.

But right now if he's on a list of potential signings, he needs to be well down it as he's not good enough now and if it's 50m to take him, we're not in the posit to blow it on potential.

We need a good experienced 25-28 year old CM. We need an experienced goalscorer and we need a RW.
 
Steve Bruce said:
Disaster is over cooking it. He's a good young player that could become a very good player.

But right now if he's on a list of potential signings, he needs to be well down it as he's not good enough now and if it's 50m to take him, we're not in the posit to blow it on potential.

We need a good experienced 25-28 year old CM. We need an experienced goalscorer and we need a RW.
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I don’t understand what is not clear to you, is he more talented than Tonali or Aouar? In my opinion he is a player of the MсTominay level
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50 million for him is a stupid overpayment.
 
Instead of Longstaff we should go for Emre Can in January. Think he could be available for 10-15mio. And we need some options for our midfield.
 
Is Longstaff better than what we already have? No, I don't think so. Will he be a better player than Garner in 3 years time? No, I don't think so. Are we more in need of creative players and a striker? Most definitely. For me Longstaff would be a ridiculous signing.
 
If anyone watched sunday's match between Leicester and Newcastle they couldn't have missed out the stand out player between both teams and that was Sean Longstaff, missed placed passes galore, freekicks that made Rashford look like Ronaldinho, tackling making Scholes look like Maldini. I know he was out injured for months but he's a championship player and if this is the sort of player we aspire to have at this club then lets just wheel out Frank O'Farrell and go back to our darkest period
 
Negative Red said:
Is Longstaff better than what we already have? No, I don't think so. Will he be a better player than Garner in 3 years time? No, I don't think so. Are we more in need of creative players and a striker? Most definitely. For me Longstaff would be a ridiculous signing.
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Longstaff has been rubbish this season, I understood our interest to an extent in summer assuming price was 15-20m but was a risk given his brief spell in team and injury.

He might improve but for the 40-50m it would take it is just ridiculous and is our scouting and recruitment so bad that we cannot find better players for that price anywhere in Europe.

Most likely signing in January is Mandzukic club has been preaching they want young players and want to wait for right signings etc so a quick fix panic buy that goes against all that is most likely scenario.
 
Grillitsch, Fernandes, Olmo and Weghorst in January. All realistic and good signings. Knowing the board they will renew with Lingard, ignore this window, waste 2 months trying to sign Sancho in the Summer, miss out and continue without a RW.
 
There were lots of stories about how SAF wanted the Villa midfield player Mginn to be signed by United.
 
Rakitic & Mandzukic.

I think Rakitic is available if he wants game playing time during the season for the upcoming Euro, but we also need to consider the transfer fees & wages. Don't want another Matic's signing again. Fees like around 10m with pay cut to 120k or 130k p/w should be acceptable for his caliber. He's a playmaker which can be a good reason to sign him so we can free Pogba to advanced role. He will be suitable to play next to midfielder who has energy like McTomminay.

Mandzukic should be available. Same reason as Rakitic, if he wants game playing time during the season for the upcoming Euro then he should leave Juventus. 1 year contract with an option for extension.

DDG
AWB Tuanzebe Maguire Shaw
McTomminay Rakitic
James Pogba Rashford
Martial

Bench: Mandzukic

So death to see Mata, Lingard & Pereira in XI who offer nothing.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
If ever you want a yardstick of how we haven't progressed - all three of those players would walk into our first XI
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Seeing as our midfield walks around anyway( McT the exception) It wouldn't be a retrograde step
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Rakitic & Mandzukic.

I think Rakitic is available if he wants game playing time during the season for the upcoming Euro, but we also need to consider the transfer fees & wages. Don't want another Matic's signing again. Fees like around 10m with pay cut to 120k or 130k p/w should be acceptable for his caliber. He's a playmaker which can be a good reason to sign him so we can free Pogba to advanced role. He will be suitable to play next to midfielder who has energy like McTomminay.

Mandzukic should be available. Same reason as Rakitic, if he wants game playing time during the season for the upcoming Euro then he should leave Juventus. 1 year contract with an option for extension.

DDG
AWB Tuanzebe Maguire Shaw
McTomminay Rakitic
James Pogba Rashford
Martial

Bench: Mandzukic

So death to see Mata, Lingard & Pereira in XI who offer nothing.
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Seeing as he wants to stay at Barca and turned down the option of PSG to fight for his place, why on earth would he want to come here. He'll have options in most major leagues with big clubs. He's 31, why would he want to move to a struggling United for the last couple of years of his career?
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Seeing as he wants to stay at Barca and turned down the option of PSG to fight for his place, why on earth would he want to come here. He'll have options in most major leagues with big clubs. He's 31, why would he want to move to a struggling United for the last couple of years of his career?
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I’ll be surprised if he even wants to stay at Barca now that he barely getting game time.
 
Adama Traore?
Obvious gamble, but he plays right wing/forward (and can even play wing back). Fast, strong, direct and seems to be a game changer...
 
I don't see any realism in signing one of those players that were on our Summer shopping list unless we throw absolutely ridiculous sums of money around, and even then don't see us being able to bring in more than one player.

Bruno Fernandes..?
Do we eat humble pie and go in with a serious offer...?
 
We need goals and assists. If we got 100m to spend in Jan I'd go for

20m - soumare (end of contract)
20m-fraser (end of contract)
35m - olmo (2 years left in contract)
25m - mertens (last year of contract)
 
We can sign both Marc Roca DM and Chukwueze RW January. Very achievable and very cheap and would make instant impact. Then go back to 4-3-3
 
devilish said:
We need goals and assists. If we got 100m to spend in Jan I'd go for

20m - soumare (end of contract)
20m-fraser (end of contract)
35m - olmo (2 years left in contract)
25m - mertens (last year of contract)
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I like the idea, and I agree. Unfortunately though, of those only Fraser is remotely realistic. We will also spunk 50m on Longstaff

We've made it clear, we only want British.

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Our 20/21 team - 3 signings

Henderson
Wan Bissaka Tuanzebe Maguire Shaw
Rice
McTominay Longstaff
Fraser Rashford James

Subs: Grant, Williams, Jones, Garner, Lingard, Gomes, Greenwood​
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
I like the idea, and I agree. Unfortunately though, of those only Fraser is remotely realistic. We will also spunk 50m on Longstaff

We've made it clear, we only want British.

#BrexitFC #ManchesterUKIPted
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If that's the case then ole is doomed to fail. We can't sort this mess with players that cost 50-100m a pop
 
jamesjimmybyrondean said:
We can sign both Marc Roca DM and Chukwueze RW January. Very achievable and very cheap and would make instant impact. Then go back to 4-3-3
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Yes to both, they'd be expensive but would improve is in areas we need improving in. I still think we need a destroyer in midfield, I've said this for years and always get 'that's not the United way' horseshit.
 
devilish said:
We need goals and assists. If we got 100m to spend in Jan I'd go for

20m - soumare (end of contract)
20m-fraser (end of contract)
35m - olmo (2 years left in contract)
25m - mertens (last year of contract)
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Only Martens and Fraser would play out of those 4.
 
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