Players in the last chance saloon...

RedPed

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I was just thinking about @tentan's thread about players you want definitely want gone next season and yeah, while there many worthy of a mention, I was thinking there are a few just hovering on the cusp.

So are there any players in the last chance saloon, that you would like ten Hag to give one more season for whatever reason. I have:

De Gea
Sancho
Fred

After that I would be all in for them getting the boot.
 
Sancho probably. I've seen enough of the rest that are likely to be on their way out.
 
RedPed said:
I was just thinking about @tentan's thread about players you want definitely want gone next season and yeah, while there many worthy of a mention, I was thinking there are a few just hovering on the cusp.

So are there any players in the last chance saloon, that you would like ten Hag to give one more season for whatever reason. I have:

De Gea
Sancho
Fred

After that I would be all in for them getting the boot.
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De Gea has the freedom of OT. Whatever is thought of him he’s a borderline modern club legend so he’s not ‘last chance’ just close to retiring.
I think we have the measure of Fred too. Good Fred is immense, bad Fred is bloody awful - you never know which one will come to play but I don’t think he’s last chance either.
Sancho there is a case for. He can be forgiven for last season with the chaos around him at the club, but he needs a breakout season to repay the faith and patience shown by the manager. We need to see Sancho from Dortmund - at the moment we have only seen Sancho on NT duty and it’s kinda underwhelming.
 
Plant0x84 said:
De Gea has the freedom of OT. Whatever is thought of him he’s a borderline modern club legend so he’s not ‘last chance’ just close to retiring.
I think we have the measure of Fred too. Good Fred is immense, bad Fred is bloody awful - you never know which one will come to play but I don’t think he’s last chance either.
Sancho there is a case for. He can be forgiven for last season with the chaos around him at the club, but he needs a breakout season to repay the faith and patience shown by the manager. We need to see Sancho from Dortmund - at the moment we have only seen Sancho on NT duty and it’s kinda underwhelming.
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I agree about Sancho, he needs to grow fully into his boots over next season.
As for Fred and DDG, i think EtH has seen enough to devide this season. DDG, whilst a big player for us in the past, does not fit the bill for a GK in a EtH team. In the same spirit, Fred has shown, that while he is great at his best, he simply can not be relied upon. Such players don’t survive in great teams.
I have a lit of good things to say about both Fred and DDG, but they can not be our future. The question is more about having the means to replace them.
 
In terms who has actually earned a last chance - it's both Dalot and Wan-Bissaka. Eventually we need to upgrade on one. The only reason Sancho gets a last chance is because we can't sell him.

Fred has had enough chances, he's not suddenly going to learn how to keep possession. As for De Gea, what more do you want him to prove in his last chance? He's limited and always has been.
 
Marcus
Shaw
Martinez
Bruno
These are the only safe ones in my opinion and as for the others there are younger and cheaper options out there and we do not even have to look outside England to see that.
 
I'm not going to make excuses for Sancho, but he is still 23 and none of us every saw the revolution in Rashford this season, so I think next season is definitely last chance saloon. But I hold out some hope still.

Fred, Martial, De Gea probably in that last chance saloon, but more teetering on the edge of done and dusted. The likes or Maguire and McTominay are already on their way. I'd sell Fred, Maguire, Martial and McTominay in the summer. Only reason I'd not sell De Gea is because GK role is so important and I'm not sure if there's someone out there we have our eye on.
 
eire-red said:
I'm not going to make excuses for Sancho, but he is still 23 and none of us every saw the revolution in Rashford this season, so I think next season is definitely last chance saloon. But I hold out some hope still..
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I get that but Rashford had at least proven himself at United before his massive slump, Sancho hasn’t done a thing since he arrived and looks miles off it in every aspect of his game.
 
To be honest if given the opportunity i rather give the boot to all the aforementioned three, we need to move on.
 
Beek will be with us next year. His injury has oddly spared him from being moved on.
 
United's Last Chance Saloon is more like a health spa where you're allowed to chill out, relax, and you can stay as long as you want
 
Rockets Redglare said:
I get that but Rashford had at least proven himself at United before his massive slump, Sancho hasn’t done a thing since he arrived and looks miles off it in every aspect of his game.
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Yeah I totally agree with everything you've said. Some players though it does just take a bit longer for the penny to drop. I think John Stones is a good example at City.

He's integral to City now, but up until about 25 or so he was constantly making mistakes and he was in that last chance saloon bucket for them only 2/3 seasons ago I think.

I think Sancho has enough talent to do it, which separates him from the likes of Fred, McTominay, van de Beek etc.. it's just a case of whether he has it mentally in my opinion. He needs to bring that intensity and physicality to his game too.

We need to see a big change next season though.
 
eire-red said:
Yeah I totally agree with everything you've said. Some players though it does just take a bit longer for the penny to drop. I think John Stones is a good example at City.

He's integral to City now, but up until about 25 or so he was constantly making mistakes and he was in that last chance saloon bucket for them only 2/3 seasons ago I think.

I think Sancho has enough talent to do it, which separates him from the likes of Fred, McTominay, van de Beek etc.. it's just a case of whether he has it mentally in my opinion. He needs to bring that intensity and physicality to his game too.

We need to see a big change next season though.
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I’d love Sancho to prove me wrong as he’d be perfect for us if he could show his Dortmund form, I just don’t think it’s going to work out for him here.

He just seems so lightweight and slow, and he really seems to bottle it when it comes to 50/50’s which is an absolute no-no at this level. I could imagine him going abroad and tearing it up again, I just don’t think he can cut it in this league unfortunately.
 
Rockets Redglare said:
I’d love Sancho to prove me wrong as he’d be perfect for us if he could show his Dortmund form, I just don’t think it’s going to work out for him here.

He just seems so lightweight and slow, and he really seems to bottle it when it comes to 50/50’s which is an absolute no-no at this level. I could imagine him going abroad and tearing it up again, I just don’t think he can cut it in this league unfortunately.
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And add to the fact that Garnacho is a perfect fit for the PL and I think he'll make that left side his own in a couple of seasons.

It's a massive season for Sancho next season if he's still here.
 
Fred is so far past the last chance saloon he can't even see it when he looks back.
 
His work ethic is what holds Sancho back but technically he's largely fine.
 
"Why is this bar so depressing? Why are there so few customers? Why is there an old man playing piano? Why has the bartender been wiping the same glass for 30 minutes?"

"This, my boy Jadon, is The Last Chance Saloon."

"Noooooooooo!"
 
Dempsey19 said:
Fred is so far past the last chance saloon he can't even see it when he looks back.
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The fact that your midfield has been an issue for a few years has probably saved him. If it was on performances alone he would have been long gone. That’s not to say he is a bad player but he isn’t anywhere near consistent enough
 
Antony and Fred, underwhelming in possession but they at least have the agression in them to give another chance.

I don't trust sancho, martial, dalot, mctominay, Maguire, beek and de gea any more, when thing get tough most of these whimper and fold to the pressure.
 
Some bizarre suggestions in this thread, particularly Antony on the list. The lad has been with us for 1 season for the love of god. I'm glad none of you are managers.

And De Gea? Had Brighton not scored their penalty, De Gea would have been hailed a hero for keeping us level. On the grand scheme of things he has been and still is a superb keeper. He just seems to have absolutely no ability to communicate confidently when Maguire is standing in front of him. I definitely would not have him on my last chance saloon list.

Maguire is abso-feckin-lutely last chance saloon. Himself and Lindelof need to move on. I would also add Fred, McTominay and Martial to the list. Bring through the younger talent and pick up a few key signings this Summer. That should build a bit of momentum.
 
FrankDrebin said:
His work ethic is what holds Sancho back but technically he's largely fine.
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Technically he's a very talented footballer.

Not worth a shite if you don't have the heart or the bollocks to make it as a top level player.

And I'm afraid from what we've seen of Jadon so far, he doesn't have the heart or the bollocks.
 
The only ones for me are Donny and Sancho. Donny because he's been injured and could perform the Sabitzer role with runs from deep, and Sancho because we've seen his potential and won't be able to shift him for anywhere near what we paid for him.

Wouldn't shed a tear for the team's prospects going forward if we got rid of de Gea, one of AWB/Dalot (Dalot higher ceiling for me), McTominay, Fred, Elanga, Martial, Wout and Maguire, assuming we'd get replacements that fit with EtH's style of football. Pellistri too unproven but it seems like he's not doing enough in training to get the chance to prove himself, so I'd probably move him on as well with Amad taking his place in the squad.
 
Anustart89 said:
The only ones for me are Donny and Sancho. Donny because he's been injured and could perform the Sabitzer role with runs from deep, and Sancho because we've seen his potential and won't be able to shift him for anywhere near what we paid for him.

Wouldn't shed a tear for the team's prospects going forward if we got rid of de Gea, one of AWB/Dalot (Dalot higher ceiling for me), McTominay, Fred, Elanga, Martial, Wout and Maguire, assuming we'd get replacements that fit with EtH's style of football. Pellistri too unproven but it seems like he's not doing enough in training to get the chance to prove himself, so I'd probably move him on as well with Amad taking his place in the squad.
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I believe for next season we need a hypothetical(no injuries suspensions) top quality first 11. Questions atm over gk rb cm and striker. As far as i’m concerned, on current form, the only players we cant lose are Varane, Martinez, Shaw, Casemiro, Bruno, Rashford, Antony and Garnacho. Add the right players in the aforementioned positions and we can pretty much sell anyone else and it wont really dent us, as long as we retain enough to make up the squad.
 
I don't really see what the point of "one more season" for DeGea is. He has been here 12 years, what are we hoping to learn? Are people advocating for that purely to kick the can down the road on upgrading the goalkeeper? Otherwise I struggle to grasp the thinking on that one.

I would say AWB and Sancho are the ones that mainly fall into this category for me.

I feel like Sancho is enforced. Financially, he puts us in a tough spot because he's very hard to imagine shifting. For me this means that it doesn't even have to be extremely likely that he comes good, it just has to be a slight possibility to be better than the alternative which is paying his wages elsewhere and taking a comical fee.

AWB has just about shown enough for me to be curious whether ETH can continue to develop him with this inside positioning. He still needs to massively improve his concentration and attacking ability, and he's been here long enough that I'd only be happy giving it one season.
 
There's probably 9 or 10 players really worth keeping around for the medium to long term or another season two.

Martinez
Varane
Shaw
Casemiro
Eriksen
Rashford
Antony
Bruno
Garnacho
Maybe Pellestri

Out on loan you could bring back Kovar, Amad and Hannibal and give them a place in the squad.

Everyone else could leave and wouldn't be too hard to replace with equal or better players.
 
De Gea last chance after being at the club for 12 seasons with the last 5 being average at best. Sounds strange
 
Sancho can be the only one I can think of in this category. The rest are either passed it or their last chance has been and gone, eg. Maguire, Martial, De Gea, Fred etc.I’d have to give Antony another season before putting him into the last chance category.
 
The problem comes when you realise that the transfer budget is £100m plus whoever we sell. Where's the money going to come from?

May as well keep De Gea as you'll get nothing for him.
Sancho - wages too high to realistically get anything decent for
Fred - £20m maybe?

If you're wanting to bin players off like that, we'd also need to lose the likes of McTominay and Maguire (oh noes!!) who we'd get a combined £60-80m for.
Martial can go - his balsa wood legs and heart of a mouse won't carry him through enough games.

We need Harry Kane and a raid on the Dutch league, which is pretty much the budget for the summer.
 
If you're in your last chance saloon at United, it's a pretty good indicator that you should probably already be out the door. Most underperformers get a stay of execution due to the stupid amounts of money spent on them.
 
The problem comes when you realise that the transfer budget is £100m plus whoever we sell. Where's the money going to come from?



If you're wanting to bin players off like that, we'd also need to lose the likes of McTominay and Maguire (oh noes!!) who we'd get a combined £60-80m for.
Martial can go - his balsa wood legs and heart of a mouse won't carry him through enough games.

We need Harry Kane and a raid on the Dutch league, which is pretty much the budget for the summer.
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Poch will get him to Chelsea will be part of the agreement to take it on. We should save out money and get that new kid that was in the academy back a while ago Grewoodinho has 2 class feet goes right or left.
 
Sancho and Antony.

Sancho doesn't seem to have that dawg in him and Antony has no right foot. I would give both one more season. Ship them out if they produce similar to this season.

I don't understand the reasoning for listing De Gea and Fred. You know what they are at this point. Their games are not going to change. They're not suddenly going to improve. You either think they're good enough or you don't. There is no sense in holding on to them for another season if you're not confident in their ability to perform for us. They're at an age where they should be in their primes.
 
I think many will be off if we can sell them. ETH will have a few players in mind to bring in.

I can't see Martial remaining on that wage and hardly available. Mctominay will be off. Fred I'd imagine too unless he is happy to remain a squad player. I can see us keeping Wan Bissaka and Dalot as he will provide cover for the left.

Jones hopefully off the books, once he is dragged out. Harry definitely going. Can see Lindelof wanting to remain. De Gea definitely will be no2 for next season.

So many on the books without listing fringe players, loans.

Very busy summer and more important than ever to get business done. ETH and Co will have their work cut.

Long hot summer for us transfer muppets.
 
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