Players are going to burnout - Too many games.

Kante looks reinvigorated and sharp. Ronaldo looks much better than I thought he would.

England look to be running in mud.

Maybe the PL intensity really does take a toll and drains the players before a tournament.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...stars-show-wider-fault-lines-around-euro-2024

All have gone on to play a full and flourishing role for their sides this season, Ronaldo to the extent of 50 goals in all competitions. All of which should put into perspective not just the standard of the league, but its reduced demands on the body. “The physicality of the league, the tempo of the game is different,” Mitrovic has said. “One year in England is like two or three years in a different league. I had nothing left to give.”
I think it was Jerome Kaino that did a few years playing rugby in Japan and came back firing on all cylinders for a few seasons in his 30s who specifically cited the benefits of fully recovering that playing at that intensity had for him.

Not surprised to see it is the same with the Saudi league. Get some extended recovery for a couple seasons with the reduction in intensity, make some cash, then set yourself to have a real go at things after the "playing vacation" wouldn't be a bad idea for players like Bruno who have racked up a ton of minutes for extended periods.
 
http://skysports.com/football/news/...rid-midfielder-for-englands-last-16-tie-at-eu

Bellingham celebrates his 21st birthday on Saturday - the day before England's last 16 showdown. If he does play in that game, it will be his 105th match in two seasons. That is an incredible amount of football for any player. For a very young, all-energy player like Bellingham - one who, in his free role, is just as likely to win the ball back in the full back position as he is to be the highest runner, breaking in behind an opposition defence - it is crippling.

It is no surprise that, after Southgate gave him some extra time off coming into the start of the tournament, he was absolutely outstanding against Serbia in the opening game. He had a full 15 days between the Champions League final and England's Euros opener. And he shone with a player-of-the-match performance. Even then, he tired a little in the second half. And - apart from fleeting moments of brilliance - he has been largely anonymous ever since. For two and a half matches.
 
There are obviously too many games, as everyone seeks to get their piece of the pie. The only language that will be understood is an economic one. Any argument over the health of the players will fall on deaf ears. No one with any power cares. They just want to make more money.

The question is where would the cut come from? All these extra tournaments cropping up, like the expanded club World Cup, are obvious contenders but good luck getting FIFA to put welfare before income.

The issue is also more nuanced than just total amount of minutes played across the board, because what concerns me the most are the enormous amount of games played by players that are too young to handle it. Just look at Barca’s handling of Fati, Pedri, Gavi and now Lamal. They all played a dangerous amount of minutes, and they’ve all - barring Lamal - suffered debilitating injuries as a result. Lamal’s are probably coming. And in Fati’s case, his career has been destroyed.

No-one in power will listen, but there should be a cap on minutes played by players under 20. It doesn’t have to be restrictive, and we have to keep incentivising the promotion of youth, but I think the economic advantages of producing your own players or signing players when they are young are already enough to do that. What shouldn’t be allowed to happen is 16, 17, or 18 year olds playing 55-60 games a season in a men’s sport when their bodies are still developing. One of the greatest players of all time, Ronaldo Luis Nazario de Lima, had his career destroyed by injuries at the age of 23.

What isn’t talked about is that his knee injuries weren’t a surprise. Everyone remembers him at the age of 21 having a seizure hours before the World Cup final, and still being allowed (or made, depending on who you talk to) to play; but what isn’t talked about is that he was having knee issues as early as when he was 17 at PSV. At that time he was diagnosed with Osgood-Schlatter syndrome, primarily caused by over-powered quadriceps and is an overuse injury. Teenagers under going a growth spurt are the most typical sufferers of it. Despite that he continued to play a lot of games and had persistent knee problems through his final year at PSV, and pain throughout his entire stint at Barca - where he barely missed a game.

The determination to play these young players, who are superstars in the making, is understandable, but it’s also counter productive in the long term. Ferguson was a master at blooding youngsters steadily, no matter how good they were, but others have rarely been so conscientious. Probably because managers barely last more than 2-3 years a time, so why would they care of a player is going to experience issues 3-4 years down the line? They aren’t invested in the long term benefit of the club or player. Just immediate results. And of course, it’s not just about the amount of minutes, but also how we treat injuries. Fati’s nightmare isn’t just because he was playing every week, it’s because when he did get injured, the club put off surgery so he could play through it and help the team in the short term. The result has been catastrophic for Fati, who has had his knee destroyed.

Something needs to be done and it is u likely to come from UEFA or FIFA who are purely motivated by greed. The clubs themselves are obviously motivated by greed too, but at least a counter argument can be made to them that they need to protect the long term health of their most valuable assets. But unless all the clubs agree to controls, then individual clubs are less likely to act alone, because it may give them a small competitive disadvantage in the short term.

In England, the advent of an independent regulator that appears to be looking on the horizon for the the Premier League, would be the obvious mechanism by which to do it. An organisation that should be motivated by altruistic themes and not have any financial stake in success or failure. Just the welfare of the players and the fans, whilst ensuring a sustainable competitive environment for clubs. I would hope such a regulator would put safeguards on the minutes allowed by players from 16-19 as a sliding scale, with more allowed each season. I’m not talking anything too restrictive, but a healthy cap that increases each year and has at its heart the assumption that growing bodies cannot be subject to the same persistent punishment as a fully developed athlete in his early to mid twenties.

Something like:

2,000 minutes per season for 16 yr olds (22 games).
3,000 mins for 17 yr olds (33 games)
4,000 mins for 18 yr olds (44 games)
5,000 mins for 19 yr olds (55 games).

Clubs should get 90% of that allocation. With the remaining 10% set aside for International games. Clubs should also be able to refuse calls ups to senior national teams games for any player 18 or younger. There would be a lot of details to work out in terms of cut off dates etc. but all easily workable. At 20 (ish - depending on cut offs/categorisations etc) restrictions are lifted.

The amount of minutes allowed is more than enough to allow an 18 year old to be a major part of any squad. They could play every league game and a few cup games etc, but it stops the ridiculous situations where you have 16-18 year olds playing 55-60+ games a year of men’s football. Youth, u-21 football would be exempt from calculations.

There should be further restrictions too. Such as a player competing in the Euros or a World Cup, is barred from appearing in the Olympics in the same summer, and vice versa. A ridiculous situation that we saw Pedri doing a couple of summers ago.
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5658661/2024/07/28/bellingham-messi-injuries-fifpro-calendar-fifa/

It is worth pointing out that any complaints from Premier League teams about overwhelming scheduling rings slightly hollow. They conduct lengthy pre-season and post-season tours, which involve heavy travel as well as games. Chelsea are playing five games in 13 days in a pre-season tour spanning basically the whole continental United States. Tottenham Hotspur and Newcastle United flew to Australia the day after the last Premier League season finished.

The point remains that the approach of FIFA — and most other governing bodies, including UEFA — to scheduling has consistently been ‘more is more’. The expansion of the World Cup from 2026, the revamped Champions League format, the new Club World Cup, the Nations League and whatever other brilliant wheezes they can dream up, all mean it is technically possible for an elite men’s player to play 87 games next season. No player will actually be on the pitch that many times, but it illustrates the point FIFPro is making. There is too much football, and even if you don’t really care about player burnout, the overwhelming amount of games devalues the whole thing.

The point is that at both the major tournaments this summer, despite brilliant play, thrilling moments and new heroes, the overall spectacle was diminished because the biggest stars either got injured, were playing with existing injuries or were simply exhausted.
 
It's not just minutes. It's sprints and intensity. Also travel.

I do think that the high press will be fazed out in a few years. Direct football is due a resurgence. Spain showed that at the Euros.
 
The problem these days isn't so much the amount of games, it is the amount of games that are meaningless.

Let's look at some things we have had introduced in the past 10 years:

24 teams Euros - meaning close to half the clubs qualify. What is the point of playing 10-12 games to qualify if virtually half are going and of the half that are not, teams such as Sam Marino, Gibraltar, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Moldova, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Cyprus, Faroe Islands, Malta, Luxembourg, Lithuania etc make up the majority. Do we really need so many games to tell those teams they aren't going?

Nations League - absolutely ridiculous. Was set up to avoid friendlies as no one likes them, so they instead set up a de facto tin pot tourney instead of just scrapping the need to have so many international breaks.

48 teams WC. Now we will have a similar situation in Uefa with the Euro qualifying for the WC, whereas in South America they will play 18 games to tell 3 teams out of 10 that they're not going to the finals. Ludicrous.

Expansion of the CL/EL group stage. No one likes the 6 games as it currently stands, so they decided to add another two games plus a playoff for the teams that usually got 'relegated' after the group stage. Again why?

CWC expansion. This actually would be OK, imo, if all the above hadn't been added before as it is replacing the old confederations cup, which is also pointless.

For me, the biggest single problem is international football. The major tournaments are being diluted so that everyone gets a go and their is no jepody. Look at the last Euros. The games only became decent for the QF's onwards. While every qualifying stage is now an absolute snoozefest.

IMO, the players could easily get this fixed. All they need to do - particularly the top 100 to 200 - is to simultaneously retire from international football and say they won't return until the dead rubber qualifying and expanded tournaments get reduced down.
 
Kante looks reinvigorated and sharp. Ronaldo looks much better than I thought he would.

England look to be running in mud.

Maybe the PL intensity really does take a toll and drains the players before a tournament.

Really?! Then I wonder what you expected, because he looked pretty shite to me.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5658661/2024/07/28/bellingham-messi-injuries-fifpro-calendar-fifa/

It is worth pointing out that any complaints from Premier League teams about overwhelming scheduling rings slightly hollow. They conduct lengthy pre-season and post-season tours, which involve heavy travel as well as games. Chelsea are playing five games in 13 days in a pre-season tour spanning basically the whole continental United States. Tottenham Hotspur and Newcastle United flew to Australia the day after the last Premier League season finished.

The point remains that the approach of FIFA — and most other governing bodies, including UEFA — to scheduling has consistently been ‘more is more’. The expansion of the World Cup from 2026, the revamped Champions League format, the new Club World Cup, the Nations League and whatever other brilliant wheezes they can dream up, all mean it is technically possible for an elite men’s player to play 87 games next season. No player will actually be on the pitch that many times, but it illustrates the point FIFPro is making. There is too much football, and even if you don’t really care about player burnout, the overwhelming amount of games devalues the whole thing.

The point is that at both the major tournaments this summer, despite brilliant play, thrilling moments and new heroes, the overall spectacle was diminished because the biggest stars either got injured, were playing with existing injuries or were simply exhausted.

Saw something on BBC earlier, listing all the air miles the Premier League teams would be doing in pre-season.Everton are going against the grain. One pre-season match away in Ireland, which was the first one; Sligo Rovers. Folowed up by Salford (A), Coventry (A), Preston (A), Roma (H). They're not even travelling very far within England.

They did similar last season too, the first was in Switzerland; Nyon (A) then Wigan (A), Bolton (A), Stoke (A), Monza (H), Sporting CP (H).

Jokes about Sean Dyche and Brexit, or him frying in the hot sun aside it's something he's personally requested to cut back on the travel for his players. Fair play to the club for agreeing to it, while Everton aren't the greatest overseas attraction I think they'll be losing out on at least some money by mostly keeping it domestic.

On another note, I saw the FIFA U-17 World Cup is now going to be played annually instead of every 2 years with the next 5 tournaments all going to Qatar and there will be 48 teams. Not sure what time of year that will be but it's more potential burnout for young players there. That said, an U17 tournament every 2 years as it has been up unti now meant that some players would never feature in one if they were born in wrong year as to make the squad they'd have to oust players a full year older than them. They could be too old by the time the next one came around. This gives more players a chance, although you're now going to get more of the top young talents playing in 2 of these, maybe even 3 in rare circumstances.
 
Clubs acquire big squads and then done rotate enough and moan about fatigue and burnout. The player's union need to put the emphasis on the clubs, not just the schedule/governing bodies. Just because there are 50-60 games a season, doesn't mean the club is forced to play their best players in all 50-60 games. Managers moan about the schedule and then voluntarily pick the same players, even when they're clearly fatigued, and leave guys on £50-100k a week on the bench who have barely kicked a ball all season. Think about it.

Clubs need to rest players more. It's in their interest to do so. If they can't do it voluntarily then impose a maximum appearance limit. If a player can only make 50 appearances a season (or whatever number tbd, maybe max 30 league games) then clubs have to be selective. Choose a few games a season to rest players, and give some appearances to youngsters. It'll in turn help young players develop and reward clubs with effective academies.

I predict it won't need to be mandated because at some point one club will do it, and then others will follow suit when they see that team is able to keep players fresh throughout a whole season.

Also for those pointless international friendly breaks the England manager should pick a squad full of players who aren't competing in Europe or haven't had many minutes for whatever reason. Especially in a tournament year. Giving the likes of Bellingham and Kane a week off mid-season would be more beneficial than having them play a friendly in like October/March.
 
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Saw something on BBC earlier, listing all the air miles the Premier League teams would be doing in pre-season.Everton are going against the grain. One pre-season match away in Ireland, which was the first one; Sligo Rovers. Folowed up by Salford (A), Coventry (A), Preston (A), Roma (H). They're not even travelling very far within England.

They did similar last season too, the first was in Switzerland; Nyon (A) then Wigan (A), Bolton (A), Stoke (A), Monza (H), Sporting CP (H).

Jokes about Sean Dyche and Brexit, or him frying in the hot sun aside it's something he's personally requested to cut back on the travel for his players. Fair play to the club for agreeing to it, while Everton aren't the greatest overseas attraction I think they'll be losing out on at least some money by mostly keeping it domestic.

On another note, I saw the FIFA U-17 World Cup is now going to be played annually instead of every 2 years with the next 5 tournaments all going to Qatar and there will be 48 teams. Not sure what time of year that will be but it's more potential burnout for young players there. That said, an U17 tournament every 2 years as it has been up unti now meant that some players would never feature in one if they were born in wrong year as to make the squad they'd have to oust players a full year older than them. They could be too old by the time the next one came around. This gives more players a chance, although you're now going to get more of the top young talents playing in 2 of these, maybe even 3 in rare circumstances.

Dyche and pre-season is all about fitness. I think that some players and clubs see pre-season as a bit of a marketing and vacation jolly whereas Dyche sees it as full blown preparation for the upcoming season. Probably something in the fact that he likes people to get comfortable being at the training ground and complex at Everton again consistently rather than being away from it before the season kicks off. Helps get new lads into the side comfortable with that too.
 
There's a reason teams prioritise games and virtually ignore others, too much football. 3 tiers of European football? Most teams are going to absolutely ignore the third tier. May take Europa seriously if they make it through to the quarter finals, but up until then will be playing their B team.

Teams are even rolling out half baked squads in the FA cup and focusing on CL football($$$$$) and top 4(more $$$$).

I guess the fallout to this is the quality suffers in those competitions. Has viewership for the FA cup declined over the years?
 
Clubs acquire big squads and then done rotate enough and moan about fatigue and burnout. The player's union need to put the emphasis on the clubs, not just the schedule/governing bodies. Just because there are 50-60 games a season, doesn't mean the club is forced to play their best players in all 50-60 games.
League is 38 games, CL was a possible 13, now 17. That's 50+ games where you pretty much need to play your best team, generally speaking. Are we longing for the days the big clubs decide to just bin the domestic cups then? Do we want to see United send the U20 to play in the FA Cup?
 
players are ging to burnout? I don't see how. They are doing something they love week in week out and getting paid handsomely for it. Its not like they are putting in a shift in a factory or on a building site.