Players are going to burnout - Too many games.

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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5514538/2024/05/27/football-calendar-congestion-injuries/

“Everyone across the board understands it is a problem for the industry,” Maheta Molango, chief executive of the Professional Footballers’ Association, the players’ trade union in England, and a FIFPro board member, tells The Athletic. “We’ve got a situation we’ve never had before. It’s gone from a players’ problem, a union’s problem, to an industry problem. Everyone is conscious that this is not sustainable.

“Now players are managing (their effort in) games. I’ve had them tell me this. They don’t play 100 per cent, they try and play maybe 60 or 70 per cent and manage. Yet the fans pay full price. It would be like me paying to watch Beyonce but I don’t get to see her full show.

“This year is when people realise that all of it doesn’t fit. You look at the calendar and it’s not possible. It’s no longer a question of being a threat that’s coming down the line. It’s here.”


Bruno Fernandes, the Manchester United captain, is another example of the sustained pressure to play.

Since the start of the 2020-21 season, he has made 256 appearances for the club and his country, Portugal. Even including three summer breaks, that amounts to Fernandez featuring in a game every 5.2 days across the four campaigns.


The modern era threatens to drain the batteries of emerging talent over time. FIFPro’s numbers, detailed in their Workload Report for 2022-23, say Jude Bellingham had played 14,445 minutes of senior football before his 20th birthday. Wayne Rooney, another English prodigy from an earlier era, clocked only 10,989. Kylian Mbappe, meanwhile, is said to have played 37 per cent more minutes than fellow France striker Thierry Henry did at the same age.

Then there is Pedri, Barcelona and Spain’s boy wonder. He is not 22 until November but has already made more than 200 appearances for club and country. Injuries are now stunting his once-rapid development, hardly surprising given, for example, he played in the European Championship and Olympics back-to-back in the summer of 2021, starting 12 games out of 12.
 
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I'm sure players have access to data and analysis that let's them know their exertion levels on a game by game basis, and their current injury/burnout risks. With that information, why would you exert more energy on the pitch than optimal (on a long term basis) for your body?
 
Random thought on the Bellingham comparison - It's often quoted that Dortmund were attractive to him as he'd be getting first team football to help his development. The fear being that if he'd have joined certain other clubs he may not have been playing as much. He got what he wanted and at the time he was praised for making that choice, it was seen as a good thing by everyone including himself.

On his number vs Rooney, Bellingham had played in 18 European games before he turned 19 years old, Wayne had 2. That's got be a chunk of it. Played in almost an extra season in general too, a full season at Birmigham aged 16, whereas Rooney was 3 months off being 17 when making his Everton debut. Bellingham started earlier, would imagine it would be much closer in terms of minutes per season.
 
Ofcourse they are playing to many games. At same time, that is why they are paid that money. So they are part of the problem.
 
Game time at the right level for young players is vital. The problem is resisting the urge to treat a young player like a horse to be flogged if they produce. Who is going to drop Bellingham occasionally to rest him for the good of his future career when hes carrying the team. When a few lost games could be the difference between keeping your job and losing it.

There would have to be agreed limits to player time to make any change because clubs and managers sure won't do it.
 
Game time at the right level for young players is vital. The problem is resisting the urge to treat a young player like a horse to be flogged if they produce. Who is going to drop Bellingham occasionally to rest him for the good of his future career when hes carrying the team. When a few lost games could be the difference between keeping your job and losing it.

There would have to be agreed limits to player time to make any change because clubs and managers sure won't do it.

And that is why players are making the decision of how much effort to put in from game to game (or even, which games to be available for). Because their managers/clubs sure won't act in their best interest.
 
I think over the next 10-15 years, we're going to see a lot more players becoming first team regulars for their clubs at 17/18 with a higher percentage of them retiring by their early 30s.
 
I read something over the weekend where it said that Chelsea are looking at a potential period of 330 days of competitive football from the start of their Europa conference qualifier to the Club world cup final if they get that far.
 
There's way too many games. FIFA should make a clause that a player is only allowed to feature 50 times for his club, and 10 times for his country in a season. It's up to managers and NT managers to manage that going forward.

So a player like Bruno is only playing 60 times in a season maximum (which is still a shedload) but at least it's capped. It also means club managers get better at managing their squad.
 
Teams who qualify for Europe shouldn’t qualify for the League Cup. Simple fix.
 
Thats all well and good but we can blame FIFA UEFA PL FA and what not but the clubs themselves need to look at it.

I mean Newcastle and Spurs flew out 1 day after PL season to play friendlies in Australia.
 
The load is too much and it's what crippled us but the club only has itself to blame.

After a full on season last year with two cup finals and a world cup mid season, we embarked on a gruelling world tour with 2 occasions where we played on back to back days. It was a joke, and it was the same.the year before. The players need a break, regardless of the money you earn
 
I remember being really concerned about the amount of football Mount was playing in 2022. I was convinced it would eventually catch up with him. I have the same concerns about Saka now and I'm sure he'll suffer the same fate as Mount soon if Arteta isn't careful with him.
 
I assume this is one of the reasons why Chelsea have beefed out their squad so much over the last 18 months to deal with the increase in games.
 
I'm sure players have access to data and analysis that let's them know their exertion levels on a game by game basis, and their current injury/burnout risks. With that information, why would you exert more energy on the pitch than optimal (on a long term basis) for your body?

Tuchel used to talk about that kind of data. His explanation for certain players being dropped for a game here and there would be what he called 'dangerously close to the red' which I suppose meant exhaustion/fatigue levels, but then he very rarely dropped certain players like Mount. If he wasn't injured, he played. And he was never injured. Until he was, but Tuchel was long gone by then.
 
The top players don't play any more games than they did 5, 10 or even 25 years ago, it's a myth.

Last season, Man City did the treble and they had 5 players make over 50 appearances.
In 1998/99, Man United did the treble and had 8 players make over 50 appearances.

There are not really anymore international games than there used to be either, that's also bollocks.

What has changed is better medical treatments, larger squads and way more subs being allowed.
 
The ones who wish to play less, there is also League 3 and 4. But the wages there aren't as appealing.

Not really. The lower leagues have 8 more games in their league, plus in League One and Two you have the EFL Trophy. Also doesn't include if teams manage to get to play-offs either.

The top players don't play any more games than they did 5, 10 or even 25 years ago, it's a myth.

Last season, Man City did the treble and they had 5 players make over 50 appearances.
In 1998/99, Man United did the treble and had 8 players make over 50 appearances.

There are not really anymore international games than there used to be either, that's also bollocks.

What has changed is better medical treatments, larger squads and way more subs being allowed.
On the flipside though, the game is far more intense than it was before.
 
Not really. The lower leagues have 8 more games in their league, plus in League One and Two you have the EFL Trophy. Also doesn't include if teams manage to get to play-offs either.


On the flipside though, the game is far more intense than it was before.

On the flip side of intensity is the flip side of challenges 25 years ago being in my opinion far more physical.
 
On the flip side of intensity is the flip side of challenges 25 years ago being in my opinion far more physical.

Don't think that matters as much as sprinting/miles on the legs tbf. Those are what cause increased muscle injuries and susceptibility to being hurt more by challenges.
 
Than when? 100 years ago, 50 years ago? Sure.

25 years ago? I disagree that it is "far more intense" now than it was in 1999.
I'm sure I read a study which concluded that high intensity actions such as sprints per game were increasing every decade or so. Will try to find it.
 
The top players don't play any more games than they did 5, 10 or even 25 years ago, it's a myth.

Last season, Man City did the treble and they had 5 players make over 50 appearances.
In 1998/99, Man United did the treble and had 8 players make over 50 appearances.

There are not really anymore international games than there used to be either, that's also bollocks.

What has changed is better medical treatments, larger squads and way more subs being allowed.
So it's all a nothingburger?
 
So it's all a nothingburger?

The whole "playing more games" is absolutely a nothingburger.

The games being more intense nowadays is up for debate for sure.

Squads being bigger, there being a lot more subs and sports science being vastly improved is also undeniable.

I would suggest that players have not had it better in the modern history of the sport than they do right now.
 
There is no team in Europe that has less than 20 players in their squad. I'd also wager there is no team in Europe that doesn't have a player who thinks he should be seeing more game time.

If coaches care about player welfare, they can rotate more.
 
Be interesting to see a typical pre-season plan from 15-20 years ago compared to now.

Nothing was really monitored back then compared to now where there are multiple sport scientists, data scientists, strength & conditioning coaches etc . The demands I'd imagine are greater now to compete over a full-season so it's likely that a pre-season is more demanding now than 15-20 years ago and probably has to be if the players are to carry out a high pressing, high intensity game.

A warm up back in the day would just be a jog round the pitch followed by a few static stretches. I get that the technology & science is miles ahead now so recovery should be better but it still doesn't cancel out a maximum effort session which it seems a lot of the teams do now.

I said it with United at the start of the season that I thought it would be a tough year with a lot of injuries and players losing form. It happened to Liverpool after there mammoth season where they played over 70+ games, the next season there was a massive drop off in form with key players struggling and a big injury list. You also had United's apparent mess of a pre-season where they were flying to multiple locations in the US with short recovery times between games, a lot of media commitments and reports coming out about how intense the pre-season was. I don't think you can underestimate how important it is to go into a season with the players in optimal condition.
 
It could be worse. Just look at the Brazilian + Concacaf schedules: a team that competes in Libertadores / Sudamericana: they have an average of a game every 72 hours during practically 11 months of the year. These european players have it easy :angel:
 
The top players don't play any more games than they did 5, 10 or even 25 years ago, it's a myth.

Last season, Man City did the treble and they had 5 players make over 50 appearances.
In 1998/99, Man United did the treble and had 8 players make over 50 appearances.

There are not really anymore international games than there used to be either, that's also bollocks.

What has changed is better medical treatments, larger squads and way more subs being allowed.
Shhh, don’t let this out. We have to keep peddling the myth.

I'm sure I read a study which concluded that high intensity actions such as sprints per game were increasing every decade or so. Will try to find it.
Does that automatically mean more intensity though? Have to admit when I see these theories I struggle to accept that they’re true. Matches were far more end to end back in the day than to where they are now. With a heavier focus nowadays on ball possession and slowing the game down.
The ball also spends way more time out of play now than it did before. I remember watching United-Arsenal 2002 (Wiltord) in full about a year ago and I couldn’t actually believe how fast the match was. It was like both teams were on crack. And then you watch City vs Arsenal this season and it’s Man City recycling passes 863637 times and passing backwards with Arsenal barely leaving their half.
 
Shhh, don’t let this out. We have to keep peddling the myth.


Does that automatically mean more intensity though? Have to admit when I see these theories I struggle to accept that they’re true. Matches were far more end to end back in the day than to where they are now. With a heavier focus nowadays on ball possession and slowing the game down.
The ball also spends way more time out of play now than it did before. I remember watching United-Arsenal 2002 (Wiltord) in full about a year ago and I couldn’t actually believe how fast the match was. It was like both teams were on crack. And then you watch City vs Arsenal this season and it’s Man City recycling passes 863637 times and passing backwards with Arsenal barely leaving their half.

I think they concluded yes, for the first c. 60-75 minutes of a game, but then a drop in the latter 15-30 of a game.
 
The OP article has reinforced my belief that Bruno is about to suffer the same fate as Alexis Sanchez.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...turning-arsenal-exhausted-man-world-football/

Alexis ran himself into the ground and it's coming for Bruno.

Some players just have off-the-charts ability to endure the grind. But I would certainly worry about Bruno. 41650 career minutes is a very high number for a player who hasn't yet hit 30. Rodri is another player in this mold. 32889 career minutes for a 27-year-old and he's had seven straight years now averaging about 4000 minutes. Declan Rice is on the same trajectory except younger.

It's easy to say these guys are just superhuman but there are plenty of examples of players who looked that way and then the wheels fell off hard around age 29-30. Fabinho and Sterling are two good recent examples.

I would bet heavily that if you did an analysis of all players who amassed 40,000 minutes in football before turning 30 - especially who played a significant portion in the PL - it would look brutal in terms of the next stage of their careers.
 
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Managers are the problem here. Rotation has slipped out of the game.

Pep to be fair does but the rest don't seem to bother with player welfare. It's all about them.

Too many games? Play your young players in the League Cup. Fergie was doing that 30 years ago with a much smaller squad.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...stars-show-wider-fault-lines-around-euro-2024

All have gone on to play a full and flourishing role for their sides this season, Ronaldo to the extent of 50 goals in all competitions. All of which should put into perspective not just the standard of the league, but its reduced demands on the body. “The physicality of the league, the tempo of the game is different,” Mitrovic has said. “One year in England is like two or three years in a different league. I had nothing left to give.”

Yet while the Saudi Pro League has very little to offer in terms of intensity or elite competition, many international coaches are ironically discovering that its gentler waters make it ideal long-term preparation for playing in an international tournament: a plentiful source of low-risk minutes, a way of keeping the body ticking over without ever threatening to over-exert it.

“He has regained his athletic abilities,” Deschamps said of Kanté ahead of the tournament. “We can discuss the specific intensity in Saudi Arabia, but he played more than 4,000 minutes.”