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Originally posted by RUnited:
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what do you mean by that look? didn't veron come on later as a sub.. i really hav no idea what happened.. would it have been this scoreline with veron on the pitch from the start?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course it is a hypothetic question. But at least we can 100% sure that we looked much balanced, fluid and dangerous without Veron today. Our movement was excellent, our passing was quick and accurate, and we looked like the old United two years ago again (and even our defence carelessness has backed!)
With the third Newcastle goal the marking was pathetic and the central defenders ere at fault for that, Scoles left his position at the post, though it would be pedantic to put the blame on him, but the goal was scored from 4 yards out and the 6 yard box should be covered by the keeper. I would be wary of making too much of our win as well, we did concede 3 goals and the Toon were woeful. Having said that we did look more up for it today with the players, paricularly in the first half, chasing everything. We also didn't try going through the centre all the time, we had wingers for one of the first times this year. We are far better when we use the whole width of the pitch and I believe the lack of Veron brought out the best in the other players
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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u said was it good because veron didnt play which i take to mean you want veron to fail which isnt what being a fan is about.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We have all criticised Forlan in recent weeks and rightly so, due to his being crap, but today I thought he looked v sharp, so let us give him some due praise.
Do fellow reds not think that perhaps Forlan is a right winger/ mid as opposed to centre forward that SAF has played him at.
Once and for all can you reds see that we are a better 4-4-2 team
Do fellow reds not think that perhaps Forlan is a right winger/ mid as opposed to centre forward that SAF has played him at.
Once and for all can you reds see that we are a better 4-4-2 team
Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
<strong>We have all criticised Forlan in recent weeks and rightly so, due to his being crap, but today I thought he looked v sharp, so let us give him some due praise.
Do fellow reds not think that perhaps Forlan is a right winger/ mid as opposed to centre forward that SAF has played him at.</strong><hr></blockquote>
No I think he is a forward.
Originally posted by Red15:
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I think I heard the same guy on the radio. I don't know how you can blame Fabien for the second and third goals. Although I thought Fabien could have done better for the first,
Shearer's free-kick was unstoppable and Bellamy was unmarked and had a free header for the 3rd.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It was amazing to see Fab got blamed for the goals!
Name me a goalkeeper who can save these!
1st Goal: He could have done better but these things happen, a fluke.
2nd Goal: Shouldnt have been allowed imo, Forlan was charging down the freekick and was impeded by Dyer (i think?). This blatant obstruction gave Shearer a clear shot on goal which he wouldnt have had had Forlan not been impeded. All the same it was a well thought out free kick and refs rarely act on this type of thing. No Keeper would have stopped it though so its not Fabs fault.
3rd Goal: The Barcode got a free header in the 6 yard box despite being closely marked by a defender. Not Fabs fault imo as he should be able to expect better cover than that.
2nd Goal: Shouldnt have been allowed imo, Forlan was charging down the freekick and was impeded by Dyer (i think?). This blatant obstruction gave Shearer a clear shot on goal which he wouldnt have had had Forlan not been impeded. All the same it was a well thought out free kick and refs rarely act on this type of thing. No Keeper would have stopped it though so its not Fabs fault.
3rd Goal: The Barcode got a free header in the 6 yard box despite being closely marked by a defender. Not Fabs fault imo as he should be able to expect better cover than that.
Barthez: Very average, should have done better with the 1st. 6
Silvestre: Top game from the ever consistant Frenchman! 7
JOS: How good can he be seriously!
7
Blanc: Quite solid, was missed when left. 7
Browny: Showing glimpses of what we know he can do 7.5
Giggsy: Much better than has been of late, looked good! 7.5
Solskjaer: Definitly looked like he has played RM his whole life! 8
Fortune: Nice and dependable without being flashy, the next Butty! 7
Scholes: Awesome yet again!
8.5
Forlan: Played well
7
RVN: 3 goals and a top performance! MOM
9
Richardson: Looks like a real talent!
7
Roche: Looked nervous on debut
5
Veron: He came, he gave the ball away he left! 6
Silvestre: Top game from the ever consistant Frenchman! 7
JOS: How good can he be seriously!
7
Blanc: Quite solid, was missed when left. 7
Browny: Showing glimpses of what we know he can do 7.5
Giggsy: Much better than has been of late, looked good! 7.5
Solskjaer: Definitly looked like he has played RM his whole life! 8
Fortune: Nice and dependable without being flashy, the next Butty! 7
Scholes: Awesome yet again!
8.5
Forlan: Played well
7
RVN: 3 goals and a top performance! MOM
9
Richardson: Looks like a real talent!
7
Roche: Looked nervous on debut
5
Veron: He came, he gave the ball away he left! 6
Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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Do fellow reds not think that perhaps Forlan is a right winger/ mid as opposed to centre forward that SAF has played him at.
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Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>So between all people here, Barthez can basically be blamed for all three goals <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
I've seen the best goalkeepers in the world concede goals like the first. It's crazy stuff, but it does happen.
The second was unstoppable. No keeper in the world takes that. Like Eric's well known FK against Arsenal.
The third was just poor marking, awfully typical once Blanc went off.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I do agree. Anyway Barthez must be the only keeper to be blamed for every goal he concedes. As if the others never conceded ones. Are the Newcasle fans blaming Shay Given ?
He was expecting a center on the first goal, he was surprised and couldn't anticipate. He wasn't lucky as the ball bounced on the bar.
The second was magnificent and unstoppable.
The third was due to poor defending.
Those who criticize him on this ones don't know anything about football. They should go at his place and see if it's easy !
I give 6 to Barthez and Wes for letting in the 1st and last Newcastle goals respectively. Everyone else gets 8 while Olke gets 10 for being the man of the match. The chief has spoken
Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
<strong> while Olke gets 10 for being the man of the match. The chief has spoken
Would that be The Incredible Olke?
i think hes a forward too. he's good in full flight eh? he really seemed to go at toon yesterday on occasions, good running at people and we've missed something like that. maybe toon being poor helped him get some confidence in his role in the team because he did look at home, and i have faith in diego. i wouldnt want us to sell certainly not this summer as some on here have suggested.
silvestre was the player today we know he can be, he's so strong and fast, excellent backup on the wing, and did great to beat players to create a goal (was it scolesey's?). defensively very strong and hard to shake off the ball, we need him to have the hunger r to re-sign, and it looks like from this that he may after all. lets wait and see.
its obvious that we function best with scholes as out playmaker, and this is why he and veron have such problems on ther field together. but scholes is developing into a playmaker i wouldnt swap for anyone in the world, inlcuding zidane - sorry seba if your the one to move aside. scholesy has better passing, he is more dynamic, is not one-paced, he can beat players and he's lethal with a half chance. he was everywhere yesterday conpensating for our lack of a def mid by helping fortune out, getting involved in closing down, and getting other poeple out of the shit sometimes. and the rythym at which he dictates the game suits us better, this is the real unitd was of playing. he was our heartbeat yesterday. OUR GINGER PRINCE <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
silvestre was the player today we know he can be, he's so strong and fast, excellent backup on the wing, and did great to beat players to create a goal (was it scolesey's?). defensively very strong and hard to shake off the ball, we need him to have the hunger r to re-sign, and it looks like from this that he may after all. lets wait and see.
its obvious that we function best with scholes as out playmaker, and this is why he and veron have such problems on ther field together. but scholes is developing into a playmaker i wouldnt swap for anyone in the world, inlcuding zidane - sorry seba if your the one to move aside. scholesy has better passing, he is more dynamic, is not one-paced, he can beat players and he's lethal with a half chance. he was everywhere yesterday conpensating for our lack of a def mid by helping fortune out, getting involved in closing down, and getting other poeple out of the shit sometimes. and the rythym at which he dictates the game suits us better, this is the real unitd was of playing. he was our heartbeat yesterday. OUR GINGER PRINCE <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Scholes is class but only an idiot would compare him to Zidane. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
Neil talks about the unsung hero Scholes.
What about Keane, he gets even less respect and less regard?
Keano, Keano, Keano, Keano......... <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
What about Keane, he gets even less respect and less regard?
Keano, Keano, Keano, Keano......... <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Barthez wasnt to blame for goals 2 and 3, and although it was a fluke..come on...he watched the first goal sail right over his head without making an effort! I like Barthez, but seriously he needs to get his head out of his ass. Its the one position where you cannot afford to make mistakes. If United had only scored once (or even not at all) then youd all be looking at that goal in a different light.
Whilst Fergie will support him publically, i suspect this may be the last season we'll see Bart in the nets of Manchester United.
btw a plus point was big pete flapping a goal in for city
Whilst Fergie will support him publically, i suspect this may be the last season we'll see Bart in the nets of Manchester United.
btw a plus point was big pete flapping a goal in for city
Barthez 6 - clumsy to concede the first goal
O'Shea 7 - great right defender's job
Brown 8 - concentrating and hard working
Blanc 7 - good depending but playing too far outside and slow to turn back may cause disaster.
Silvestre 8 - good game, showed the skill & strength to assist for the 2nd goal.
Solskjaer 8 - Good right wing's job altough played dirty to score the goal.
Fortune 8 - Hardworking altough presured by opponents a lots.
Scholes 8 - well played, high class finishing.
Giggs 7 - seems tired from his international game.
Forlan 7 - good ball control, going to be perfect if finishing improved.
van Nistelrooy 7 - triple calm finishing for our great central forward but I would see him assist goal as well.
veron 7 - given to his argen against jap performances but he must play different way in order our team to win in EPL.
The other 2 new players - Both good but the no 42 richardson better.
O'Shea 7 - great right defender's job
Brown 8 - concentrating and hard working
Blanc 7 - good depending but playing too far outside and slow to turn back may cause disaster.
Silvestre 8 - good game, showed the skill & strength to assist for the 2nd goal.
Solskjaer 8 - Good right wing's job altough played dirty to score the goal.
Fortune 8 - Hardworking altough presured by opponents a lots.
Scholes 8 - well played, high class finishing.
Giggs 7 - seems tired from his international game.
Forlan 7 - good ball control, going to be perfect if finishing improved.
van Nistelrooy 7 - triple calm finishing for our great central forward but I would see him assist goal as well.
veron 7 - given to his argen against jap performances but he must play different way in order our team to win in EPL.
The other 2 new players - Both good but the no 42 richardson better.
Originally posted by Spoony:
<strong>Scholes is class but only an idiot would compare him to Zidane. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
But I heard many people compared Veron to Zidane last season, and some even got to the conclusion that Veron was better
Originally posted by Neil Thomson
Scholes won't win a World Cup, cos he plays for England and its a team game. But he's also a Champions League winner and won more top league titles than Zidane<hr></blockquote>
I was going to reply to El Diego's post with exactly the same comments until I realised that Scholsey doesn't have a Champions League medal - he was suspended for the final! But he did help us get to the final so it sort of counts!
However, whether or not Scholsey is comparable to Zidane, he is a world class midfielder and outrageously underrated. There was an interesting comment on another United board yesterday where someone said "if Paul Scholes was called Paolo Scholesio, Real Madrid would dying to sign him!!!" I think the poster was spot on!
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
Neil talks about the unsung hero Scholes.
What about Keane, he gets even less respect and less regard?
Keano, Keano, Keano, Keano.........
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Sorry Weastie but that is just unadulterated bullshit, unless you're referring to Robbie Kean. Virtually every article you read refers to him as the best in the world in his position. "
Maybe in Britain. In Europe Keane doesn`t get that respect. For example he is again not among the 50 players nominated for European player of the year. And that list is from France Football, one of the most respected football magazines in the world and not any cheap tabloid.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
Neil talks about the unsung hero Scholes.
What about Keane, he gets even less respect and less regard?
Keano, Keano, Keano, Keano.........
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Sorry Weastie but that is just unadulterated bullshit, unless you're referring to Robbie Kean. Virtually every article you read refers to him as the best in the world in his position. "
Maybe in Britain. In Europe Keane doesn`t get that respect. For example he is again not among the 50 players nominated for European player of the year. And that list is from France Football, one of the most respected football magazines in the world and not any cheap tabloid.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
and Ole was superb in an unnatural position <hr></blockquote>
Originally posted by Elizabeth:
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Originally posted by Elizabeth:
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Oops. Wasn't supposed to mention that.