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crazy.. that was just.. crazy..
why did we start with 4-5-1 with that line up? what the feck is wrong with SAF? i cannot believe he's going as far as losing us a derby match..
we got caught out so many times.. did rio take a 'slow down' pill' before the game?
why did we start with 4-5-1 with that line up? what the feck is wrong with SAF? i cannot believe he's going as far as losing us a derby match..
we got caught out so many times.. did rio take a 'slow down' pill' before the game?
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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easy Liv, im being sarcastic back to Devilish as he seems to turn every thread into a Blanc bash. I am pointing out to him that Blanc was a hell of a lot better than Ferdinand today.</strong><hr></blockquote>
he and some others.
blanc was ok today..and has been all season.
Scholes was shouting at the midfield to help him at times today. The number of times we gave the ball away is worrying.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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We had the best defensive record in the PL until today. One bad game for the defence.
It happens. Get over it!
When it becomes a regular thing, start worrying.</strong><hr></blockquote>
totally agree
and shocking miss by O'Shea
The main problem today was not actually blanc and ferdinand, but the midfield, especially veron and phil neville losing the ball too easily and putting the defence under quick pressure. I think its about time O'shea starts playing right back instead of neville, cos the two nevilles and veron were shockingly bad today. Damn I have not seen us play this bad, since the howlers last season.
Originally posted by Tomo:
<strong>shocking miss by O'Shea
TBH, it really didn't matter that much if he had scored or not. Unless you are concerned about goal difference.
The players don't deserve rating for today. Apart from Paul Scholes they were out played by a second rate Premiership side.
I'll try not to make this too long but i've been pissed off all day and its time to vent my frustration.
Barthez - Poor, but left horribly expossed by inept defending that i wouldn't expect to see in the 3rd division.
Defense - We need to decide if we are going to play Larry then we can't defend high up the pitch, because of his lack of pace. If we are going to play John O'Shea then we can play high up and use the offside trap. Not a mix of the two.
Midfield - Scholes was the only player who turned up today. I've been as stronger supporter of Seba as anyone but my patience has run out. He's a different class in Europe but pants in the Premiership. Get him out of the Premiership side, its an experiement that hasn't worked. The sooner Keano's back the better. I'd like to see Giggsy out for a couple of games and see what Richardson can really do. Giggsy seems more pre-occupied with bring the ball infield. I want to see a winger running at the full back We can't rely on our fullback to do that unless we play with 3 centre backs, to cover if they lose the ball.
Forwards - Ruud seems happier complaining to the ref than getting on with the game. He needs a kick up the arse and remind him that he's playing for the biggest club in the world and not some piss pot dutch side who are just grateful for his presence.
Today most of the team played like a bunch over paid primadonna's. They need to take a serious look at themselves. They have become too comfortable, maybe dropping a few of them for a couple of games would remind them that to pull on the red jersey you have to have earnt your place and you don't just get a starting place by reputation alone.
I'll try not to make this too long but i've been pissed off all day and its time to vent my frustration.
Barthez - Poor, but left horribly expossed by inept defending that i wouldn't expect to see in the 3rd division.
Defense - We need to decide if we are going to play Larry then we can't defend high up the pitch, because of his lack of pace. If we are going to play John O'Shea then we can play high up and use the offside trap. Not a mix of the two.
Midfield - Scholes was the only player who turned up today. I've been as stronger supporter of Seba as anyone but my patience has run out. He's a different class in Europe but pants in the Premiership. Get him out of the Premiership side, its an experiement that hasn't worked. The sooner Keano's back the better. I'd like to see Giggsy out for a couple of games and see what Richardson can really do. Giggsy seems more pre-occupied with bring the ball infield. I want to see a winger running at the full back We can't rely on our fullback to do that unless we play with 3 centre backs, to cover if they lose the ball.
Forwards - Ruud seems happier complaining to the ref than getting on with the game. He needs a kick up the arse and remind him that he's playing for the biggest club in the world and not some piss pot dutch side who are just grateful for his presence.
Today most of the team played like a bunch over paid primadonna's. They need to take a serious look at themselves. They have become too comfortable, maybe dropping a few of them for a couple of games would remind them that to pull on the red jersey you have to have earnt your place and you don't just get a starting place by reputation alone.
Absolutely no mood to read thru the thread, but my comments : Other than Scholes, Barthez, Ole and O'Shea ... others don really need a word to be raised - useless !! ...
And I have to say this - the WORST WORST performers on the field are the 3 most EXPENSIVE guys we have purchased in our history ... Veron my foot ( first time I condemn him like this but JUST let me do this once ) .. what 28mil man he is?? he can't even make a decent passing ...
RVN - I think he need 3 legs so to run faster and stand steadier ... He goes down like a baby when there's absolutely no way ANY REFEREE in the world will blow for a penalty like that ... worst than a schoolboy game ...
And Rio - if not 'cos of his golden hair I would have thought he's not on the field ...
Damn ... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
And I have to say this - the WORST WORST performers on the field are the 3 most EXPENSIVE guys we have purchased in our history ... Veron my foot ( first time I condemn him like this but JUST let me do this once ) .. what 28mil man he is?? he can't even make a decent passing ...
RVN - I think he need 3 legs so to run faster and stand steadier ... He goes down like a baby when there's absolutely no way ANY REFEREE in the world will blow for a penalty like that ... worst than a schoolboy game ...
And Rio - if not 'cos of his golden hair I would have thought he's not on the field ...
Damn ... <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" /> <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
Barthez 6 Didnt play badly by any strech of the imagination, would like to have seen him stop Goaters 1st though.
G. Neville 3 Was totally crap, At fault twice and just looked rubbish.
Silvestre 5 Was the best starting defender, not saying much really.
Blanc 4 Too old too slow, should have started with O'Shea.
Ferdinand 4 Was at fault for ciys first and out of position on the third.
Scholes 8 Utds best player, never gave up.
Veron 5 Tried to get involved but it just didnt happen for him, was poor.
Neville. P 4 Apparently played?
Giggs 6 another average performance by his standards but one of the better players.
Solskjaer 7 Good game from him, was everwhere.
RVN 6 Looked dangerous on occasions but just couldnt quite get it right, also seemed to have trouble with his balance, seemed to fall over alot.
Forlan 5 had little time to impress but didnt anyway.
O'shea 6 should have started
G. Neville 3 Was totally crap, At fault twice and just looked rubbish.
Silvestre 5 Was the best starting defender, not saying much really.
Blanc 4 Too old too slow, should have started with O'Shea.
Ferdinand 4 Was at fault for ciys first and out of position on the third.
Scholes 8 Utds best player, never gave up.
Veron 5 Tried to get involved but it just didnt happen for him, was poor.
Neville. P 4 Apparently played?
Giggs 6 another average performance by his standards but one of the better players.
Solskjaer 7 Good game from him, was everwhere.
RVN 6 Looked dangerous on occasions but just couldnt quite get it right, also seemed to have trouble with his balance, seemed to fall over alot.
Forlan 5 had little time to impress but didnt anyway.
O'shea 6 should have started
Some knee-jerk reactions here and there, but generally comments reflect the match to a great extent. I thought Scholes and Ole played quite well, and Giggs at least tried to. In derby matches like this, it is always easy to see who bleed United, and who do not.
Barthez - 5.5 Had a really good save from Anelka in the first half, but probably could have prevented the first goal. Probably. But it wasn't much of his fault anyway as P.Neville gave the ball away needlessly in the middle of the park and Rio couldn't catch up with Anelka.
G.Neville - 4.5 He actually did alright for the match, bar the goal he gifted Goater. Before that mistake, I was still thinking he's one of the more consistent player on the pitch.
Rio - 4.5 Something wasn't quite right with him, but I wouldn't worry too much. Players are bound to have a bad day, just that our players all had a bad day at the same time...
Blanc - 6
Silvestre - 5 No major mistake, but not much of a contribution either.
Veron - 4 Some have complained about Becks' performance on the right, but when he is not playing, we miss him. Veron was everywhere on the park, but not doing anything much. He had a few good passes, but went missing for long periods.
Scholes - 7.5 One of our best player on the pitch. The most accurate passer of the ball on a bad day.
P.Neville - 4 One of the reason why we lost our midfield battle. Besides Scholes, and occassionally Giggs, Veron and P.Neville did little to contribute to our play.
Giggs - 6.5 I thought he had an okay game, at least he bothers.
Solskjaer - 7.5 Has to be up there for MOTM contention with Scholes. Was everywhere, scored a goal, defended well, went in for every ball.
RVN - 4.5 I hope he gets his scoring touch back. Sometimes I feel he's too selfish in front of goal.
Forlan - 4.5 Didn't get many touches of the ball, had a shot on goal.
O'Shea - 5
Barthez - 5.5 Had a really good save from Anelka in the first half, but probably could have prevented the first goal. Probably. But it wasn't much of his fault anyway as P.Neville gave the ball away needlessly in the middle of the park and Rio couldn't catch up with Anelka.
G.Neville - 4.5 He actually did alright for the match, bar the goal he gifted Goater. Before that mistake, I was still thinking he's one of the more consistent player on the pitch.
Rio - 4.5 Something wasn't quite right with him, but I wouldn't worry too much. Players are bound to have a bad day, just that our players all had a bad day at the same time...
Blanc - 6
Silvestre - 5 No major mistake, but not much of a contribution either.
Veron - 4 Some have complained about Becks' performance on the right, but when he is not playing, we miss him. Veron was everywhere on the park, but not doing anything much. He had a few good passes, but went missing for long periods.
Scholes - 7.5 One of our best player on the pitch. The most accurate passer of the ball on a bad day.
P.Neville - 4 One of the reason why we lost our midfield battle. Besides Scholes, and occassionally Giggs, Veron and P.Neville did little to contribute to our play.
Giggs - 6.5 I thought he had an okay game, at least he bothers.
Solskjaer - 7.5 Has to be up there for MOTM contention with Scholes. Was everywhere, scored a goal, defended well, went in for every ball.
RVN - 4.5 I hope he gets his scoring touch back. Sometimes I feel he's too selfish in front of goal.
Forlan - 4.5 Didn't get many touches of the ball, had a shot on goal.
O'Shea - 5
When is everyone going to realise that the NEVILLE'S are SHIT & PATHETIC ! Gary's mistake reminds of the one his useless brother made during EURO 2000 except POOF NEVILLE gave away a penalty .... Wake up everyone they are SHIT ! POOF NEVILLE at midfield is a joke, the guy should be playing in the 3rd DIV
Barthez 5
gaz -100000
blanc 4
ferdinand 1
silvestre 6
phizza 7
veron 1
scholes 7
giggs 1
Rvn 6.5
ole 6.5
just 5 players who preformed anywhere near decent. not good enough
gaz -100000
blanc 4
ferdinand 1
silvestre 6
phizza 7
veron 1
scholes 7
giggs 1
Rvn 6.5
ole 6.5
just 5 players who preformed anywhere near decent. not good enough
I give Shaun 10/10 for his performance:
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Barthez. 9 for me. If it wasn't for him the score would have been 5-1.
Gary Neville- 0. Utter shit. should never wear the captains armband again.
Silvestre: 4. Defended weel but did everyhthing else averagely.
Rio: 0: He last played this badly in his debut match for Leeds.
Blanc: 5: Tried his best but his lack off support from the rest nmader him look awfull
Phizza: 1: Worked hard at doing nothing.
Veron: 0 Utterly none existent.
Scholes: 6: For effort but still did alot of nothing:
Giggs: 1: Not much effort he had and off day which wasn't helped by the team.
Ole: 7: Did everything to play well. Even went back to defend. His goal was well deserved too.
Ruud: -2. Diving cheat performance, with not intelligence or desire. He looked like a 5th division play. And that dividion doesn';t even exist.
O'shea: 6: Improved our defence but gets a six for missing a sitter.
Forlan: 5: all effort but the teams form didn't helpo him make an impact.
Overall team rating:
1. United's Worst performance in half a decade.
Gary Neville- 0. Utter shit. should never wear the captains armband again.
Silvestre: 4. Defended weel but did everyhthing else averagely.
Rio: 0: He last played this badly in his debut match for Leeds.
Blanc: 5: Tried his best but his lack off support from the rest nmader him look awfull
Phizza: 1: Worked hard at doing nothing.
Veron: 0 Utterly none existent.
Scholes: 6: For effort but still did alot of nothing:
Giggs: 1: Not much effort he had and off day which wasn't helped by the team.
Ole: 7: Did everything to play well. Even went back to defend. His goal was well deserved too.
Ruud: -2. Diving cheat performance, with not intelligence or desire. He looked like a 5th division play. And that dividion doesn';t even exist.
O'shea: 6: Improved our defence but gets a six for missing a sitter.
Forlan: 5: all effort but the teams form didn't helpo him make an impact.
Overall team rating:
1. United's Worst performance in half a decade.
Barthez: 6 Did ok, great save from Anelka, couldnt do much about the goals
Gaz Neville: 4 terrible mistake but otherwise no real problem
Silvestre: 6 No mistakes, did his job without excelling.
Blanc: 6 No mistakes and looked comfortable
Rio: 5 At fault for the opener but didnt do much wrong after that.
Giggs: 5 tame, great cross for the goal but the flicks didnt work.
Veron: 5 started well but faded.
Neville: 5 at fault for the opener but gets a few points for working hard
Scholes: 6½ the brightest player we had
Olle: 6 like scholes he looked brght and alert, good goal, unlucky not to get another
Ruud: 4 Abysmal, nothing he did worked
subs
Forlan: 6½ looked bright and mobile when he came on
o'Shea: 6½ impressed as usual, pity about that miss.
Gaz Neville: 4 terrible mistake but otherwise no real problem
Silvestre: 6 No mistakes, did his job without excelling.
Blanc: 6 No mistakes and looked comfortable
Rio: 5 At fault for the opener but didnt do much wrong after that.
Giggs: 5 tame, great cross for the goal but the flicks didnt work.
Veron: 5 started well but faded.
Neville: 5 at fault for the opener but gets a few points for working hard
Scholes: 6½ the brightest player we had
Olle: 6 like scholes he looked brght and alert, good goal, unlucky not to get another
Ruud: 4 Abysmal, nothing he did worked
subs
Forlan: 6½ looked bright and mobile when he came on
o'Shea: 6½ impressed as usual, pity about that miss.
The team we had out on Saturday lacked passion and commitment as well as any knowledge of football from what I saw. I mean how hard is it to pass the little white bit of leather to someone else wearing a red top!!! Can someone please tell or show most of the 11 players we had out there on show.
Fergies Best (currently available for West Ham) XI would have to be IMO...
Barthez
W Brown
Silvestre
O'Shea
Ferdinand
Beckham
Veron
Scholes
Giggs
Solskjaer
Van Nistelrooy
Mind you this does rely on Wes being fit. If not then move O'Shea to RB and carry on with Larry, after all he is class for a 37yr old!!!
Fergies Best (currently available for West Ham) XI would have to be IMO...
Barthez
W Brown
Silvestre
O'Shea
Ferdinand
Beckham
Veron
Scholes
Giggs
Solskjaer
Van Nistelrooy
Mind you this does rely on Wes being fit. If not then move O'Shea to RB and carry on with Larry, after all he is class for a 37yr old!!!
My sincere point of view.
Barthez 8+ A good keeper but need to stay at the back and lead more the defense.
Ricardo 7 Good as a utility keeper
Carroll 7 + Ubexperienced but have all the talent to succeed Bart.
G Neville 6+ A decent defender, nothing more nothing less
Blanc 6+ He’s not fast and he’s not leading our backline so why the heck he is still at OT?
R Ferdinand 7 he haven’t settled well in this crappy defense. He is a promising defender BUT NOT THE SOLUTION to our defense.
W Brown 7 He may be injury prone but I like him. He is not the finishing product but is one of our best defenders
J Oshea 7 Very promising but not the finishing product. Playing him regularaly in the central back role would prove suicidial ( we have witnessed it with Brown)
Silvestre 7+ A brilliant left back but should take more defensive responsibility.
P Neville 4 An insult to our defense
May 3 Why he is still at OT is a mystery
Tierney 6 for God sake give him a try
Defense: we need an experienced central defender to lead our backline and a left back.
Keane 8 Good player, but need to control his temper.
Butt 8 Deserve respect.
Scholes 8 Excellent as a midfielder but for god sake play him in his natural role.
Veron 7 Same as Scholes. But he need to involve himself more in the dirty work.
Beckham 7+ He is a hard working winger who can cross wonderful crosses. These are his strenghts SO USE THEM
Giggs 7+ Like Veron he need to work more. And like Scholes he should be played in his natural role.
Fortune 6+ He may be the new George Best but SAF does not have faith in him so sell him
Richardson 7 He should work on his phyisical frame but he will be world class if he is given AMPLE CHANCE.
Djordic 7 World class talent , same advice given to Richardson
Stewart 6+ Give him first team play and let us not see P Nev in the midfield again
Chadwick and Pugh 4 Not Manutd’s level
Midfield No more merry go rounds in the midfield. Players should be played in their natural role. I would like to see the youngsters play more, this could aviod us from buying new talent. Definitely we need a decent cover for Giggs, Keane/Butt and Beckham.
RVN 7+ He should fight more and moan less .But How can you score when the delivery is awful?
OGS 8 No critism for our Norwegian striker.
Forlan 6 He should play more inside the box. I believe he should be loaned
Webber 6+ He have score loads at Watford, give him a chance
Nardiello 6 Loan him is the best option
Attack: we need two creative forwards and we should stop playing giggs and scholes out of position.
Barthez 8+ A good keeper but need to stay at the back and lead more the defense.
Ricardo 7 Good as a utility keeper
Carroll 7 + Ubexperienced but have all the talent to succeed Bart.
G Neville 6+ A decent defender, nothing more nothing less
Blanc 6+ He’s not fast and he’s not leading our backline so why the heck he is still at OT?
R Ferdinand 7 he haven’t settled well in this crappy defense. He is a promising defender BUT NOT THE SOLUTION to our defense.
W Brown 7 He may be injury prone but I like him. He is not the finishing product but is one of our best defenders
J Oshea 7 Very promising but not the finishing product. Playing him regularaly in the central back role would prove suicidial ( we have witnessed it with Brown)
Silvestre 7+ A brilliant left back but should take more defensive responsibility.
P Neville 4 An insult to our defense
May 3 Why he is still at OT is a mystery
Tierney 6 for God sake give him a try
Defense: we need an experienced central defender to lead our backline and a left back.
Keane 8 Good player, but need to control his temper.
Butt 8 Deserve respect.
Scholes 8 Excellent as a midfielder but for god sake play him in his natural role.
Veron 7 Same as Scholes. But he need to involve himself more in the dirty work.
Beckham 7+ He is a hard working winger who can cross wonderful crosses. These are his strenghts SO USE THEM
Giggs 7+ Like Veron he need to work more. And like Scholes he should be played in his natural role.
Fortune 6+ He may be the new George Best but SAF does not have faith in him so sell him
Richardson 7 He should work on his phyisical frame but he will be world class if he is given AMPLE CHANCE.
Djordic 7 World class talent , same advice given to Richardson
Stewart 6+ Give him first team play and let us not see P Nev in the midfield again
Chadwick and Pugh 4 Not Manutd’s level
Midfield No more merry go rounds in the midfield. Players should be played in their natural role. I would like to see the youngsters play more, this could aviod us from buying new talent. Definitely we need a decent cover for Giggs, Keane/Butt and Beckham.
RVN 7+ He should fight more and moan less .But How can you score when the delivery is awful?
OGS 8 No critism for our Norwegian striker.
Forlan 6 He should play more inside the box. I believe he should be loaned
Webber 6+ He have score loads at Watford, give him a chance
Nardiello 6 Loan him is the best option
Attack: we need two creative forwards and we should stop playing giggs and scholes out of position.
Fab 5 - ok apart from their first goal
Gary N 3 - dont even want to talk about him
Micky - average
Rio/Blanc 3's - both had a hand in that 1st goal
Midfield 3's - doing well until 'that' blunder, awful after it, and sackable in the second half
Ole/RVN 5's - some effort at least, nice to see Ole back on the scoresheet
Gary N 3 - dont even want to talk about him
Micky - average
Rio/Blanc 3's - both had a hand in that 1st goal
Midfield 3's - doing well until 'that' blunder, awful after it, and sackable in the second half
Ole/RVN 5's - some effort at least, nice to see Ole back on the scoresheet
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>Fab 5 - ok apart from their first goal
Gary N 3 - dont even want to talk about him
Micky - average
Rio/Blanc 3's - both had a hand in that 1st goal
Midfield 3's - doing well until 'that' blunder, awful after it, and sackable in the second half
Ole/RVN 5's - some effort at least, nice to see Ole back on the scoresheet
Apart from the fact that OGS was miles better than Ruud on this occasion, I can't take your marks seriously if you're giving Paul Scholes the same marks as the rest of the midfield.
Paul Scholes didn't deserve to have less marks than anyone on Saturday - he was arguably our man of the match.
Did Scholes threaten their goal? Did he create any chances? Did he break up any attacks?
For making less mistakes than anyone else I'll begrudgingly give him a 4 (and that's mainly cos he used to live behind my gran )
As for JOS missing that chance. Had he and Giggs converted their 'tap ins' the mood on here might have been totally different. Personally I'm hoping the 'wake up call' might have a better affect on the season, than pinching a draw might have had.
For making less mistakes than anyone else I'll begrudgingly give him a 4 (and that's mainly cos he used to live behind my gran
)As for JOS missing that chance. Had he and Giggs converted their 'tap ins' the mood on here might have been totally different. Personally I'm hoping the 'wake up call' might have a better affect on the season, than pinching a draw might have had.
4.5 My final offer