Originally posted by Gazza:
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his performance on Saturday wasnt much different from that of most of his domestic games with us, so what makes you think SAF will suddenly change his mind?</strong><hr></blockquote>
which basically means he is mediocre at best for EPL games. We have other options in Butt and Scholes and please don't resort to quoting SAF's name to back up your opinions, make your own stand.
PLAYER RATINGS
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Originally posted by Gazza:
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No, just that you didnt understand it.
Itchys comments are just stupid. Instead of putting in a decent comment on the game he just says, "Veron was pants" which to me is just an utterly stupid thing to say. If you thought Seba didnt have a good game, fair enough, but just explain why first.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Because he didn't cover his opponents, his passes were more often than not astray and seldom made telling tackles.
which means pants.
You on the other hand resort to comments like "work tirelessly" in order to disguise the fact that veron just didn't play well on sat.
Who's the moron here?
Originally posted by lchk:
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The topic of conversation here is about Veron and his display against the cottagers last saturday, don't change the subject.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The subject is not Veron, but "PLAYER RATINGS", he's not changing the subject, you are trying to narrow it!
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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The subject is not Veron, but "PLAYER RATINGS", he's not changing the subject, you are trying to narrow it!
I would put it as the subject of my conversation with gazza.
the way we must work to win back the league
1 Throw away the dead wood, which give us a good game every now and them ( May, P Nev , Blanc ,Forlan , Q Fortune, Chadwick). comeon ppl let us be honest to ourselves they ARE NOT Manutd level
2 bring in new talent, that REALLY strenghten the team, giving us the strenght of depth needed
3 Start playing our players in thier natural position ( ex giggs and scholes are not forwards)
1 Throw away the dead wood, which give us a good game every now and them ( May, P Nev , Blanc ,Forlan , Q Fortune, Chadwick). comeon ppl let us be honest to ourselves they ARE NOT Manutd level
2 bring in new talent, that REALLY strenghten the team, giving us the strenght of depth needed
3 Start playing our players in thier natural position ( ex giggs and scholes are not forwards)
the way we must work to win back the league
1 Throw away the dead wood, which give us a good game every now and them( some dont even give us this pleasure) Ppl like May, P Nev , Blanc ,Forlan,Q Fortune and Chadwick. (comeon ppl let us be honest to ourselves they ARE NOT Manutd level)
2 bring in new talent, that REALLY strenghten the team this will give us the strenght of depth that we really need
3 Start playing our players in thier natural position rather than bungling them here and there and expect wonderful results out of them ( ex giggs and scholes are not forwards).
4 For God sake return to the 4- 4 - 2 formation, with TWO forwards up front. The fergie babes had been playing this formation since they were 13 yrs old, so why changing it now
Manutd has a wonderful team but Fergie is expecting too much out of them
1 Throw away the dead wood, which give us a good game every now and them( some dont even give us this pleasure) Ppl like May, P Nev , Blanc ,Forlan,Q Fortune and Chadwick. (comeon ppl let us be honest to ourselves they ARE NOT Manutd level)
2 bring in new talent, that REALLY strenghten the team this will give us the strenght of depth that we really need
3 Start playing our players in thier natural position rather than bungling them here and there and expect wonderful results out of them ( ex giggs and scholes are not forwards).
4 For God sake return to the 4- 4 - 2 formation, with TWO forwards up front. The fergie babes had been playing this formation since they were 13 yrs old, so why changing it now
Manutd has a wonderful team but Fergie is expecting too much out of them
dont you mean YOU expect too much of them
and other fans like you.
and other fans like you.
NOBODY played to the BEST of their abilities. So theres no point singling out people like p.neville and veron. for example if you want to single out people single out the TEAM. it was a dire performance.
i agree veron had a stinker
but so did Becks,
where was giggs?
where was scholes?
we have to remember that Veron is not our only world class player.. Beckham at his BEST is far better than Veron imo.
has anybody else noticed but becks is no way near his best at the moment.
i say put veron & becks on the bench for a few games and see what happens...
i agree veron had a stinker
but so did Becks,
where was giggs?
where was scholes?
we have to remember that Veron is not our only world class player.. Beckham at his BEST is far better than Veron imo.
has anybody else noticed but becks is no way near his best at the moment.
i say put veron & becks on the bench for a few games and see what happens...
for those who rated Scholesyu badly, you have to remember he changed positions FIVE times during the match at Fulham, whilst Fergie tinkered with the tactics.
1>playing behind or 'off' Ole
2>Playing up alongside Ole
3>Moved to left side of midfield
4>moved again to left centre midfield
5>finished as the centre of a five man midfield.
This is on top of playing in THREE different roles for England in midweek.
No wonder he wasnt at his best. Theyre constantly shifting him about.
1>playing behind or 'off' Ole
2>Playing up alongside Ole
3>Moved to left side of midfield
4>moved again to left centre midfield
5>finished as the centre of a five man midfield.
This is on top of playing in THREE different roles for England in midweek.
No wonder he wasnt at his best. Theyre constantly shifting him about.
For the first time in my life I agree with Golden_blunder(so 99 per cent I am wrong lol joking)
Fergi must stop changing the players positions, it is losing them form and is harming their performances
Fergi must stop changing the players positions, it is losing them form and is harming their performances
Urunshki this mentality is our problem. Manutd must sell the reserves and start bringing in players who really challenge the first team for a place
Let us be honest, half of the team has lost some of their hunger just because they know there is no real competitor for their place.
For example can you see Van Nistelrooy, Silvestre or Beckham afriad of losing thier places?
No because their so called competitors are Chadwick,Forlan and P Neville.
I am not saying that our team had become complacent but its a physciological fact that if players doesnt have any competition they will NEVER give you his 100 per cent
Imagine you are at work and you are indespensable to your company, would you be more relaxed in this enviorement rather than in a company where everyone can replace you?
Real Madrid and AC Milan are perfect examples of today's football. Their secret lies in having the strenght of depth to replace a world star player WITH a world star player.
At Manutd we dont have that option
Let us be honest, half of the team has lost some of their hunger just because they know there is no real competitor for their place.
For example can you see Van Nistelrooy, Silvestre or Beckham afriad of losing thier places?
No because their so called competitors are Chadwick,Forlan and P Neville.
I am not saying that our team had become complacent but its a physciological fact that if players doesnt have any competition they will NEVER give you his 100 per cent
Imagine you are at work and you are indespensable to your company, would you be more relaxed in this enviorement rather than in a company where everyone can replace you?
Real Madrid and AC Milan are perfect examples of today's football. Their secret lies in having the strenght of depth to replace a world star player WITH a world star player.
At Manutd we dont have that option
Veron is a magnificent player, but i doubt whether Manutd really needed him
Its all about strategy . Veron was brought in so that scholes can play as a forward.
yet no one had asked these questions
1 Why changing Scholes position? (After all he did well as a midfielder throughout all these years)
2 Will Scholes settle down in his forward's role? ( He hasnt been playing in that position for years)
In my opinion we should have brought 2 players instead of Veron.
1 A valid winger who can decently cover both giggsie and Beckham. With this strategy we would have Beckham replacing Scholes whenever we needed
(EX DUFF or CASTROMAN)
2 A creative Forward which can easily play as an attacking midfielder.(EX RONALDINHO, RECOBA, TOTTI ,DEL PIERO or RIVALDO). He would have settled down in the forward line better than Scholes while giving us a decent cover for the red flamer.
I am a Veron supporter but The 4-4-2 formation should have never been twarted. This had been the root to the MANUTD's decline.
My opinion is
Veron out 28m
Castroman in 6m
Ronaldinho/Totti/Del Piero in 22m
Its all about strategy . Veron was brought in so that scholes can play as a forward.
yet no one had asked these questions
1 Why changing Scholes position? (After all he did well as a midfielder throughout all these years)
2 Will Scholes settle down in his forward's role? ( He hasnt been playing in that position for years)
In my opinion we should have brought 2 players instead of Veron.
1 A valid winger who can decently cover both giggsie and Beckham. With this strategy we would have Beckham replacing Scholes whenever we needed
(EX DUFF or CASTROMAN)
2 A creative Forward which can easily play as an attacking midfielder.(EX RONALDINHO, RECOBA, TOTTI ,DEL PIERO or RIVALDO). He would have settled down in the forward line better than Scholes while giving us a decent cover for the red flamer.
I am a Veron supporter but The 4-4-2 formation should have never been twarted. This had been the root to the MANUTD's decline.
My opinion is
Veron out 28m
Castroman in 6m
Ronaldinho/Totti/Del Piero in 22m
Totti, Del Piero or Ronaldinho would at least cost 30 M. The first two are already icons in their clubs so it would be near impossible for their club to sell them.
Scholes was asked to play as a supporting forward because that's his first position when he break into United first team and in the England squad. He was groomed to be Cantona successor if I'm not mistaken.
In fact, in Scholes debut for England he got the MOM award playing in that position (scored one and made one) when they face Italy in Turnoi de France. So he should be able to play there.
Scholes was asked to play as a supporting forward because that's his first position when he break into United first team and in the England squad. He was groomed to be Cantona successor if I'm not mistaken.
In fact, in Scholes debut for England he got the MOM award playing in that position (scored one and made one) when they face Italy in Turnoi de France. So he should be able to play there.