Player ratings v Charlton

Originally posted by CremboMan:
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Facts are for nerds ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

How is this for a fact since you guys obviously take great interest in them, Ole has not scored a goal yet. Analyise that and comment.

I am not disputing Ole is a quality player, but I think our main striker is RVN, and I do not think that they compliment each other. To also pick up a point you say about Arsenal fans fear Ole, I find that hard to accept, as if I were Arsenal fan I think someone like Keano (remember his 2 goal show, his performance in our thrashing of them) would be more of a daunting prospect, and having spoken to some today this was backed up. Has Ole ever inflicted any damage on our London rivals, I stand corrected if he has, but I cannot think of any.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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How is this for a fact since you guys obviously take great interest in them, Ole has not scored a goal yet. Analyise that and comment.

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Weird fact you got there, since ole HAS scored our first PL goal this season and scored against Haifa in the CL. (Livvie will correct me if I missed anything)

Has Ole ever inflicted any damage on our London rivals, I stand corrected if he has, but I cannot think of any <hr></blockquote>

Has Ruud ?
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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You're missing the point. As well as a few other things.

Phil Neville has played well the past few games and has done a job for us when it was necessary.

Quote: If you seiously believe that Phil Neville has played well the last two games, then you are nuts.

As you can see from above quote of yours (last weekend) when PN was given credit you went off on one, so don't backtrack and now admit that he has played "half decent". That makes you a liar as well as a moron.

As for OGS, he hasn't been prolific in front of goal this year, but most of the team have performed below par. RVN until this week has been very poor. Same for Giggs. Same for Michael Owen as well. Ole's off the ball work has been good, and he set up two goals yesterday.

Which of the players do you rate as a matter of interest?

Gloryseeker.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You ask what players do I rate, well since you seemingly scrutinize my comments, you will see I consistently sing the praises of Keano. I see that you say Ole set up two goals, can you tell me what goals he set up, maybe I was watching a different game, for in the game I watched the goals were set up by RVN and Giggs. If I was a "gloryseeker" then I wouldn't be making constructive criticsm, I would be like you NERDS and praise the players in our worst ever start to a premiership season. Where did some of you guys acquire your football knowledge, it is absolute shite
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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Where did some of you guys acquire your football knowledge, it is absolute shite</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, this is a fact: Nobody on this forum has worse football knowledge than you.

Please leave and never return.
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Originally posted by osterdal:
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Well, this is a fact: Nobody on this forum has worse football knowledge than you.

Please leave and never return.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I see you do not use any agruments to back your rant. You are pathetic, I think your abba cd has just finished, go and change it
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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I see you do not use any agruments to back your rant. You are pathetic, I think your abba cd has just finished, go and change it</strong><hr></blockquote>

I could use every single one of your posts on this forum as a fact that you do not understand football.

You stupid ABU.
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Canadian Dee,

I had posted this a couple of days back & had not wanted to repeat it in my earlier reply but since you were sceptical, here goes :

The Arsenal Editor says the Highbury crowd fears Ole & always anxiously look at the United line-up & are most of the time amazed but relieved that Fergie doesn't have him in the United Starting Line-Up.

Further, fearing a player doesn't mean he has to score against the team - Zidane is feared & respected but he's scored only once I believe, against United altho' Juventus has played many times against us but that doesn't mean he's not feared or respected any less.

BTW, United's record against Arsenal isn't impressive but FYI, Ole's scored twice b4 against them : In '97 at Highbury, & in 2001 at OT.

Also I'm stunned that you've declared that Ole's not scored this season ( he's scored 3 times - WBA, Zalaegerszeg & Macabi ) & wasn't involved in United's 1st & 3rd goal against Charlton when he released Giggs on the left to cross for Scholes to score & then on the right for the latter to cross to Ruud to score!

You mocked that we were all seeing another game - with your wild allegations & highly inaccurate 'facts', it is difficult to take you seriously even if we wanted to!
 
Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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How is this for a fact since you guys obviously take great interest in them, Ole has not scored a goal yet. Analyise that and comment.

I am not disputing Ole is a quality player, but I think our main striker is RVN, and I do not think that they compliment each other. To also pick up a point you say about Arsenal fans fear Ole, I find that hard to accept, as if I were Arsenal fan I think someone like Keano (remember his 2 goal show, his performance in our thrashing of them) would be more of a daunting prospect, and having spoken to some today this was backed up. Has Ole ever inflicted any damage on our London rivals, I stand corrected if he has, but I cannot think of any.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jesus. A reasonable reply without insults. Your ghost-writer?

Another "fact" for you. Last season Ole was in the Opta Team of the Season - ahead of Ruud based on all-round play. It's all about opinions, but one of today's papers gave Ole more points than Ruud. EVen I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, but to say Ole was shite in the game is stupid - he created two of the goals, so I suggest you watch the game again. He won the header in midfield for a start, that set Giggsy up for an assist. For both goals, the radio commentary noted "excellent play by Solskjaer". You obviously only watch the goalmouth action.

And there aren't many teams that Ole hasn't scored against. Including Real Madrid - only a friendly, but still RM.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
<strong>I see that you say Ole set up two goals, can you tell me what goals he set up, maybe I was watching a different game, for in the game I watched the goals were set up by RVN and Giggs. </strong><hr></blockquote>One example - our third goal: Ole starts the counter attack, fends off a Charlton midfielder and races towards the opposite goal. He sees Giggs flying down the right wing and serves him with an exquisite pass, and races towards goal in expectation of Giggs' cross. However he sees RVN ismaking the same run so he instinctively swerves to the right leaving more space for RVN and at the same time drawing the two pursuing Charlton defenders with him. Giggs crosses for the unmarked RVN who scores from the easiest of headers. RVN becomes a hero, Giggs is credited for a wonderful assist and someone on the caf (who BTW is a genius when it comes to football knowledge)blames Ole for being complete shite...
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Originally posted by MauritianRed:
<strong>One example - our third goal: Ole starts the counter attack, fends off a Charlton midfielder and races towards the opposite goal. He sees Giggs flying down the right wing and serves him with an exquisite pass, and races towards goal in expectation of Giggs' cross. However he sees RVN ismaking the same run so he instinctively swerves to the right leaving more space for RVN and at the same time drawing the two pursuing Charlton defenders with him. Giggs crosses for the unmarked RVN who scores from the easiest of headers. RVN becomes a hero, Giggs is credited for a wonderful assist and some on the caf blame Ole for being useless...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just thought that need highlighting. :D
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Originally posted by kkcbl:
<strong>Canadian Dee,

I had posted this a couple of days back & had not wanted to repeat it in my earlier reply but since you were sceptical, here goes :

The Arsenal Editor says the Highbury crowd fears Ole & always anxiously look at the United line-up & are most of the time amazed but relieved that Fergie doesn't have him in the United Starting Line-Up.

Further, fearing a player doesn't mean he has to score against the team - Zidane is feared & respected but he's scored only once I believe, against United altho' Juventus has played many times against us but that doesn't mean he's not feared or respected any less.

BTW, United's record against Arsenal isn't impressive but FYI, Ole's scored twice b4 against them : In '97 at Highbury, & in 2001 at OT.

Also I'm stunned that you've declared that Ole's not scored this season ( he's scored 3 times - WBA, Zalaegerszeg & Macabi ) & wasn't involved in United's 1st & 3rd goal against Charlton when he released Giggs on the left to cross for Scholes to score & then on the right for the latter to cross to Ruud to score!

You mocked that we were all seeing another game - with your wild allegations & highly inaccurate 'facts', it is difficult to take you seriously even if we wanted to!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'll just point out the "fact" that Zidane is a midfielder and not a striker (but your so clever that you already know this) and is therefore feared and respected for his all round ability ie creating and to a lesser extent scoring goals.

Since you guys seem so against my criticism of Ole I was beginning to think maybe I was the only red who thought along those lines, so after my Sunday service I spoke in great depth with a few of my parishoners who like myself are ex pats and they agree totally with my opinion. Also one of the other vicars in my constituency who is a Gonner from London says Arsenal have respect for Ole but don't fear him.
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Well as a "good Christian" perhaps you should be more forgiving and supportive. I'm sure your 'vicars' and 'parishioners' will agree. ;)
 
so after my Sunday service I spoke in great depth with a few of my parishoners who like myself are ex pats and they agree totally with my opinion. Also one of the other vicars in my constituency who is a Gonner from London says Arsenal have <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

What a joke you are mate. You come on here being an obnoxious twurp spouting shite about united players, then when you are found out you start acting like "The sweet little alter boy" Pleeeeese get a life. " my parishoners" "other vicars" <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
Did anyone else notice our equaliser started with a terrific Barthez long ball which went from Ole's head to Giggs? :D
 
Originally posted by SOCALRED:
<strong>so after my Sunday service I spoke in great depth with a few of my parishoners who like myself are ex pats and they agree totally with my opinion. Also one of the other vicars in my constituency who is a Gonner from London says Arsenal have <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

What a joke you are mate. You come on here being an obnoxious twurp spouting shite about united players, then when you are found out you start acting like "The sweet little alter boy" Pleeeeese get a life. " my parishoners" "other vicars" <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I have been found out- what bollocks, you have your opinion and I have mine. The only thing obnoxious here is your inability to spell, you stupid idiot.
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Originally posted by Amir:
<strong>Did anyone else notice our equaliser started with a terrific Barthez long ball which went from Ole's head to Giggs? :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

So your point is then that Barthez set up the goal, I think your tying yourself in knots
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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I have been found out- what bollocks, you have your opinion and I have mine. The only thing obnoxious here is your inability to spell, you stupid idiot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can you enlighten me as to the "spelling error" you fecking imbecile? The only error in this whole thread is your inability to wind people up due to your immature and vague knowledge of Manchester United and football in general. Now feck off and give the priest a blow job and say 56 hail mary's and 84 our fathers you fecking heathen
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So Canadian Dee,

We rebut your illogical & inaccurate allegations with facts & figures & you reply that your source of information is a clergyman or two? :rolleyes:

Didn't they ever tell you that they shouldn't be put on a pedestal? That what they say isn't all Gospel Truth?

Like I said earlier, you have a right to your opinions but there has to be at least some substance in your argument.

If you don't believe me, ask your pastors! ;)
 
Barthez 8 good performance and concentration improved
O'Shea 7 well defending
Ferdinand 6 hestation to stop the first goal
Blanc 7 shows experienced
P Neville 7 better to be defender than midfielder
Giggs 9 best in the game
Scholes 8 good finishing and clever play
Beckham 6 try hard and runs a lot but less effective to play at middle.
Butt 6 duty served
Forlan 6 not seem like a striker at all
Ole 7 hard to move when shielding by opponents
Ruud 8 play calm and steady instead hunting for goals like mad dog
G Neville 7 warm up for Olympiakos?
 
Originally posted by SOCALRED:
<strong>so after my Sunday service I spoke in great depth with a few of my parishoners who like myself are ex pats and they agree totally with my opinion. Also one of the other vicars in my constituency who is a Gonner from London says Arsenal have <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

What a joke you are mate. You come on here being an obnoxious twurp spouting shite about united players, then when you are found out you start acting like "The sweet little alter boy" Pleeeeese get a life. " my parishoners" "other vicars" <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


Hilarious. It's the idea of a group of Canadian church-goers getting together to discuss the merits of United players.....not to mention a "vicar" who started hurling foul-mouthed abuse the minute he came on to the forum. The Red Cafe sitcom just gets better.

But let's be fair. Canadian Dee is also a builder apparently. He's only here for the crack. :)
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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So your point is then that Barthez set up the goal, I think your tying yourself in knots</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, he did not set up the goal as such a thing is not considered an assists (Giggs gets the assist). But his terrific kicking is also returning.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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You ask what players do I rate, well since you seemingly scrutinize my comments, you will see I consistently sing the praises of Keano. I see that you say Ole set up two goals, can you tell me what goals he set up, maybe I was watching a different game, for in the game I watched the goals were set up by RVN and Giggs. If I was a "gloryseeker" then I wouldn't be making constructive criticsm, I would be like you NERDS and praise the players in our worst ever start to a premiership season. Where did some of you guys acquire your football knowledge, it is absolute shite</strong><hr></blockquote>

This coming form the person who forgot Ole had scored 2 goals this season. If i were you i'd make sure od my facts before you start sounding off at other people on this forum.
Yes it was our worst start to a premiership season but what do you expect us to do? Sulk? or look for positives. Such as Phil's great form.
As for constantly singing the praises of Keano, from what i've seen you've spent most of your posts moaning about our assessments, so i guess i must have missed those.
I've got a novel suggestion, say something positive or feck off!
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Sorry to annoy, but having seen clips of the match again, wasn't Ole also involved in United's 2nd, besides the 1st & 3rd? A throw in by Gary to Ole, a headed flick onto Ruud which beat the Charlton offside trap, a cross & 'goal!!'

Thus Ole was involved in all 3 of United's goals, contributing to all 3 passes immediately prior to the final passes that led to the goals! ;)
 
Originally posted by MauritianRed:

One example - our third goal: Ole starts the counter attack, fends off a Charlton midfielder and races towards the opposite goal. He sees Giggs flying down the right wing and serves him with an exquisite pass, and races towards goal in expectation of Giggs' cross. However he sees RVN ismaking the same run so he instinctively swerves to the right leaving more space for RVN and at the same time drawing the two pursuing Charlton defenders with him. Giggs crosses for the unmarked RVN who scores from the easiest of headers. RVN becomes a hero, Giggs is credited for a wonderful assist and some on the caf blame Ole for being useless... <hr></blockquote>

And by doing so, he pulled 2 defenders with him thus leaving space for Ruud to receive Giggs' cross unchallenged - that's the quiet brilliance of Ole's!

Well put MauritianRed!
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After watching the game on MUTV, and seeing that we actually played very well, here's my ratings:

Barthez - 7.5 Overall a good game, dealt with backpasses well and good distribution - too short for their goal though. ;)
O'Shea - 8 Excellent defending, and starting to get used to a full back role.
Ferdinand - 8 Don't agree with criticism over the excellently taken goal, and other than his pace, aerial ability, and strength were great to see as he made clearance after clearance
Blanc - 8 Imperious display
P Neville - 7.5 Did well enough defensively, not a lot going forward, but useful contribution.
Giggs - 8 Important contributions though somewhat absent in the first half
Scholes - 9 Playmaker, determined the pace, style, and openings of the game, as well as tackling well.
Beckham - 6 Not best suited to central midfield role, and I'm starting to think that Romeo is keeping him up at night cos his performances have dipped.
Butt - 7.5 Excellent one touch football and breaking up of attacks.
Forlan - 7 Involved, passes well, but he's not a winger.
Ole - 7 Struggled when too often up front on his own, looked better when given space by Ruud coming on
Ruud - 9 Inspirational performance, turned the game, and it seems he can tackle very well too, no end to his talent
G Neville - 7 Did ok
 
Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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When will guys realise facts can be presented to back up any agrument. </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> How do you back up arguments then? With your usual ranting and fluff?
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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I have been found out- what bollocks, you have your opinion and I have mine. The only thing obnoxious here is your inability to spell, you stupid idiot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

you mean you still hold the opinion that Ole has yet to score this season?

I admit Ole has yet to score in the FA Cup though :D
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Barthez - 7.5 Overall a good game, dealt with backpasses well and good distribution - too short for their goal though. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

He didn't read that well at all. When Robinson had the ball on the left wing I could forsee the ball ending in Fabien's top left hand corner.

If he was smart he would have gone to stand there right then, Jensen would get the ball and shoot and Fabien would easily save it.

;)
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Originally posted by spinoza:
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you mean you still hold the opinion that Ole has yet to score this season?

I admit Ole has yet to score in the FA Cup though :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

don't forget the Worthington Cup
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Originally posted by Gazza:
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I'm sure if you substituted the name Ole with Diego you'd have no problem with that statement. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Because it would be the TRUTH, I am upset you even put the two names in one sentence.
Just remember what the pretty boy said
"UTD paid more so I joined" so I guess with his wisdom he made me like him right away...NOT
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