Player ratings v Charlton

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Barthez 7 good
O'Shea 7 getting better all the time
Ferdinand 6.5 lethargic
Blanc 6.5
P Neville 6.5 steady
Giggs 7 made up for anonymous 1st half
Scholes 7 flashes of the imvisible man but got better as the game wore on
Beckham 6.5 better when he moved outside
Butt 6.5 lousy final touch
Forlan 5 an enigma
Ole 6;5 short on pace, got involved a bit
Ruud 7.5 changhed the game
G Neville 6 still not match fit

we played well enough to win this game against a poor Charlton side We are going to have to get a lot better to Challenge for the title :)
 
0-1 down at half time against a very resilient Charlton. This was a FINE win and dont underestimate it.

Had we not put things right in the second half we'd have been 9 pts behind Arse. Now its only 6.

Surely Scholes deserves more credit than that! He had surgery 3 weeks ago for christ sake, and has just given us a tremendous 90 mins!

RVN cant keep winning MOM's for 45 minutes work - can he ;)
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>ps. I cant add my ratings as I only listened on the radio. 'Sounded' like MOM was really between Scholes and Giggs...</strong><hr></blockquote>That's my opinion too. Scholes and Giggs were our best players today. I noticed that the defence is back to its old tricks again, i.e. passing the ball back to Barthez in dangerous situations, just for the latter to hoof it up and lose possession.

RVN, BTW, was a thorn in Charlton's arse from the second he stepped in the pitch.

I am actually watching the Arses against Leeds. One of their forte is that they utilise every inch of the pitch, especially the wings. They are going to be very difficult to beat.
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Originally posted by SOCALRED:
<strong>Barthez 7 good
O'Shea 7 getting better all the time
Ferdinand 6.5 lethargic
Blanc 6.5
P Neville 6.5 steady
Giggs 7 made up for anonymous 1st half
Scholes 7 flashes of the imvisible man but got better as the game wore on
Beckham 6.5 better when he moved outside
Butt 6.5 lousy final touch
Forlan 5 an enigma
Ole 6;5 short on pace, got involved a bit
Ruud 7.5 changhed the game
G Neville 6 still not match fit

we played well enough to win this game against a poor Charlton side We are going to have to get a lot better to Challenge for the title :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Can you please explain how you give Ole a rating of 6.5- he was complete shite. Too many United fans are hiding behind the fact that Ole has scored so many valuable goals coming on late on games. When will you guys realise that he is a great player to bring on but as a 90 minute player he is not up to the standard. Is it coincendance that his fellow country man Tore Andre Flo has the exact same dilema? It seems Ole is untouchable when it comes to criticism, drop the romanticism and face reality.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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Can you please explain how you give Ole a rating of 6.5- he was complete shite. Too many United fans are hiding behind the fact that Ole has scored so many valuable goals coming on late on games. When will you guys realise that he is a great player to bring on but as a 90 minute player he is not up to the standard. Is it coincendance that his fellow country man Tore Andre Flo has the exact same dilema? It seems Ole is untouchable when it comes to criticism, drop the romanticism and face reality.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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Can you please explain how you give Ole a rating of 6.5- he was complete shite. Too many United fans are hiding behind the fact that Ole has scored so many valuable goals coming on late on games. When will you guys realise that he is a great player to bring on but as a 90 minute player he is not up to the standard. Is it coincendance that his fellow country man Tore Andre Flo has the exact same dilema? It seems Ole is untouchable when it comes to criticism, drop the romanticism and face reality.</strong><hr></blockquote>

We're all scared of Livvie <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
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Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
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We're all scared of Livvie <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
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We're all scared of Livvie <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Of 'ickle me. <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" /> No need. :)

Anyway, this idiot obviously didn't watch United last season.

Does he even realise that we didn't win the title? He might not be here if he did.
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Originally posted by SOCALRED:
<strong>Barthez 7 good
O'Shea 7 getting better all the time
Ferdinand 6.5 lethargic
Blanc 6.5
P Neville 6.5 steady
Giggs 7 made up for anonymous 1st half
Scholes 7 flashes of the imvisible man but got better as the game wore on
Beckham 6.5 better when he moved outside
Butt 6.5 lousy final touch
Forlan 5 an enigma
Ole 6;5 short on pace, got involved a bit
Ruud 7.5 changhed the game
G Neville 6 still not match fit

we played well enough to win this game against a poor Charlton side We are going to have to get a lot better to Challenge for the title :) </strong><hr></blockquote>
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Originally posted by SOCALRED:
<strong>Barthez 7 good
O'Shea 7 getting better all the time
Ferdinand 6.5 lethargic
Blanc 6.5
P Neville 6.5 steady
Giggs 7 made up for anonymous 1st half
Scholes 7 flashes of the imvisible man but got better as the game wore on
Beckham 6.5 better when he moved outside
Butt 6.5 lousy final touch
Forlan 5 an enigma
Ole 6;5 short on pace, got involved a bit
Ruud 7.5 changhed the game
G Neville 6 still not match fit

we played well enough to win this game against a poor Charlton side We are going to have to get a lot better to Challenge for the title :) </strong><hr></blockquote>
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Couldn`t watch the game, but I think if a player has two assists and one goal (Giggs) in a 3-1 win he deserves better than 7, even if he was anonymous for the rest of the game. Remember that 3-4 touches were enough for everbody to praise (rightly so) Ruud on Tuesday.
 
Originally posted by SOCALRED:
<strong>Barthez 7 good
O'Shea 7 getting better all the time
Ferdinand 6.5 lethargic
Blanc 6.5
P Neville 6.5 steady
Giggs 7 made up for anonymous 1st half
Scholes 7 flashes of the imvisible man but got better as the game wore on
Beckham 6.5 better when he moved outside
Butt 6.5 lousy final touch
Forlan 5 an enigma
Ole 6;5 short on pace, got involved a bit
Ruud 7.5 changhed the game
G Neville 6 still not match fit

we played well enough to win this game against a poor Charlton side We are going to have to get a lot better to Challenge for the title :) </strong><hr></blockquote>
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Does he even realise that we didn't win the title? He might not be here if he did.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Start a thread pointing that out Liv,we might well lose a fair few of them ;)
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Thought u were spot on with that about o`shea he`s gettin better with games, gettin more Confident. when they`re all fit he`l really be pushing for a permanant place in the starting eleven! And i think rio`s been a bit too relaxed at times??
 
Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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When will you guys realise that he is a great player to bring on but as a 90 minute player he is not up to the standard. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Try looking at the stats then.
1 in 5 as a sub
1 in 2 as a starter
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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Try looking at the stats then.
1 in 5 as a sub
1 in 2 as a starter</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're talking to a WUM. This is the guy who last week was crucifying Phil Neville, so his knowledge of football is actually extremely limited, as most football-minded people - including Fergie -thought PN had put in a couple of superb performances.

As for Ole - well everyone associates him with goals. But if you consider that in the six years he's been here he's actually averaged just under four a year as a sub, that should tell you a few things.
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Just seem the highlights of the match and a few point occurred to me.

1) The second half performance was like watch the team a few years ago. We were quick, decisive and accurate. Our passing was slick, the movement excellent.

2) It's a bit unfair to criticise Diego for not secoring when he has to play wide right. I didn't think he was as bad as a lot of people have said.

3) Gigg's was outstanding. He is so good when taking people on down the left. You can't ask for anything more, showed why in that type of form he could walk into any team in the world.

4) Great to see Scholesy back. Thought he was great.

We scored 2 goals from counter attacks. The 2nd half was the type of football that made us the best in the country. Long may it continue
 
Just seem the highlights of the match and a few point occurred to me.

1) The second half performance was like watch the team a few years ago. We were quick, decisive and accurate. Our passing was slick, the movement excellent.

2) It's a bit unfair to criticise Diego for not secoring when he has to play wide right. I didn't think he was as bad as a lot of people have said.

3) Gigg's was outstanding. He is so good when taking people on down the left. You can't ask for anything more, showed why in that type of form he could walk into any team in the world.

4) Great to see Scholesy back. Thought he was great.

We scored 2 goals from counter attacks. The 2nd half was the type of football that made us the best in the country. Long may it continue
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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You're talking to a WUM. This is the guy who last week was crucifying Phil Neville, so his knowledge of football is actually extremely limited, as most football-minded people - including Fergie -thought PN had put in a couple of superb performances.

As for Ole - well everyone associates him with goals. But if you consider that in the six years he's been here he's actually averaged just under four a year as a sub, that should tell you a few things.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh sorry for critising P Neville, he is such a world class player- you fecking idiot, he is a laughing stock amongst other teams. Fair enough he has played half decent the last two weeks but he is ultimately not the standard required, and you should realise this since you are so smart and up to date on your facts, he will not start when we have a full squad. If we are trying to lay claims to being one of the top teams in Europe, then ask yourself would P Neville make teams such as Bayern Munich, Real Madrid etc. Wake up and see reality you idiot.
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
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Try looking at the stats then.
1 in 5 as a sub
1 in 2 as a starter</strong><hr></blockquote>

How many goals has he scored this season, how many games has he played well in. That was the whole point of my agrument, he is living on past glories. If he wasn't good enough to command a starting place in previous years then how come he is good enough now. When will guys realise facts can be presented to back up any agrument. Take yours for example, you are comparing goals from matches started against matches where he came on as a sub- how stupid as you are comparing different ratios, the two averages you acquired of some nerdy stats site are not relevant as the two totals i.e matches started and sub appearances are different
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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Oh sorry for critising P Neville, he is such a world class player- you fecking idiot, he is a laughing stock amongst other teams. Fair enough he has played half decent the last two weeks but he is ultimately not the standard required, and you should realise this since you are so smart and up to date on your facts, he will not start when we have a full squad. If we are trying to lay claims to being one of the top teams in Europe, then ask yourself would P Neville make teams such as Bayern Munich, Real Madrid etc. Wake up and see reality you idiot.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why isn't this shite ABU poster banned yet?
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Barthez 7.5: very steady, the goal was not his fault.
O'Shea 7: stable and impressive as usual
Rio 6.5: responsible for the goal and careless some times
Blanc 7: stable
P Neville 7: Seems play better at MF than LB now.
Becks 6.5: try hard, but no significant contribution
Scholes 8: fantastic, the most creative and dangerous player on the field.
Giggs 7.5: anonymous for 70% of time. But then, 1 goal 2 assists are still a very good result no matter what.
Butt 7: stable and do the dirty works well
Forlan 6: when he finally got a start, he played as RM. Ferige no longer trust him as a FW?
Ole 6.5: not his best match.
Ruud 7.5: Set up and score a goal in less than half match
Gary 6.5: starting to get back to form.
 
Originally posted by MauritianRed:
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I am actually watching the Arses against Leeds. One of their forte is that they utilise every inch of the pitch, especially the wings. They are going to be very difficult to beat.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like we used to do once upon a time.

Barthez- Was solid enough, couple of ok saves, couldnt do much with the goal. 7

O'Shea- Another good performance from the youngster. 7

Ferdinand - quiet game but did alright. 6

Blanc - looked composed enough, never really troubled. 6.5

P. Neville - pretty unenvolved but solid. 6.5

Beckham - pretty anonymous, improved into second half as he went wider. 7

Butt - competent display, not his best. 6.5

Scholes - One of United best players, how we missed him! 8

Giggs - Invisable in first half, top second half. 7.5

Forlan - rubbish 5

Solskjaer - not much better 5.5

Van Nistelrooy - saviour 7.5

G. Neville - no time to do much. 6
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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Can you please explain how you give Ole a rating of 6.5- he was complete shite. Too many United fans are hiding behind the fact that Ole has scored so many valuable goals coming on late on games. When will you guys realise that he is a great player to bring on but as a 90 minute player he is not up to the standard. Is it coincendance that his fellow country man Tore Andre Flo has the exact same dilema? It seems Ole is untouchable when it comes to criticism, drop the romanticism and face reality.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:rolleyes: <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
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Originally posted by ALGred:
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:rolleyes: <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm sure if you substituted the name Ole with Diego you'd have no problem with that statement. ;)
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Originally posted by Gazza:
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I'm sure if you substituted the name Ole with Diego you'd have no problem with that statement. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think it works, cos' Diego is not living in any past glories. :p

Anyway, here's my ratings.
Barthez- 6.5
P.Neville- 7
Blanc- 7
Rio- 6.5
O'Shea- 7
Giggs- 7.5
Butt- 7
Beckham- 6.5
Forlan- 6.5
Scholes- 8
Ole- 6.5
RVN- 7.5
G.Neville - 6.5
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I thought Diego played well for the time he was on and was quite disgusted when he was substituted. His one touch passing and movement at times was superb and in the first half he was better than Ole, Ryan (who was better in the second half) or Paul(though I accept he has only just come back from injury and his overall game was better than I expected). At least he got into the game. I feel that the $30 mil we spent on Rio was rediculous but hope I am proved wrong in the future. He allowed Jenson far too much room for their goal and some of his clearances were awful. Leeds must be rubbing their hands all the way to the bank.
 
Originally posted by osterdal:
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Why isn't this shite ABU poster banned yet?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Go and listen to some abba as you clearly have a limited knowledge of football
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Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>

I'm sure if you substituted the name Ole with Diego you'd have no problem with that statement. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Oh knowledgable one, what point are you making or this a cryptic clue for computer geeks.
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Originally posted by Canadian Dee:
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Fair enough he has played half decent the last two weeks </strong><hr></blockquote>

You're missing the point. As well as a few other things.

Phil Neville has played well the past few games and has done a job for us when it was necessary.

Quote: If you seiously believe that Phil Neville has played well the last two games, then you are nuts.

As you can see from above quote of yours (last weekend) when PN was given credit you went off on one, so don't backtrack and now admit that he has played "half decent". That makes you a liar as well as a moron.

As for OGS, he hasn't been prolific in front of goal this year, but most of the team have performed below par. RVN until this week has been very poor. Same for Giggs. Same for Michael Owen as well. Ole's off the ball work has been good, and he set up two goals yesterday.

Which of the players do you rate as a matter of interest?

Gloryseeker.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Phil Neville has played well the past few games and has done a job for us when it was necessary.
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he's been top notch in his last five games... :)
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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he's been top notch in his last five games... :) </strong><hr></blockquote>


You must be nuts as well then. :)

Joining me and a few others including SAF.
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Originally posted by Tomo:
<strong>O'Shea is going to be a star, there's no doubt about that :D ...just gets better every game

Scholes or O'Shea was my MOM today</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would pick Scholes, his movement, passing and runs into the box is first class.
It was he that created our first chance in the 1st half. If Rufus hadn't clear off the line, it would be a great goal.
O'Shea is also good, and when you consider he played out of position, it was a big plus for United. Did any of you see when he expertly skipped away from a Charlton player with some neat piece of skill in the first half down our right? even Giggs didn't manage to do that kind of trick in the first half :D :D
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Canadian Dee, I think you have as much right to comment on the United players as we have, minus the vulgarities!

However, we have equally the same rights to disagree with your opinions, right?

With regards to Ole, he's played 50 matches for Norway ( starting 48 times ) & scored 20 times - not a bad record, right?

Let me bore you with further facts :

He's also played 267 times for United ( starting only 156 times for them ) & scored 103 times,( 80 scored when he started ) & many of his 111 times as sub have been in the last 15 minutes!

Over & above, he's been in the top 3 in direct assists for United for the last 5 consecutive seasons despite his limited appearances ( last season, he was just behind Becks with 9 direct assists to Becks' 12 ) & was voted United Player of the Year 2 years ago.

Last season, he & Ruud plundered 61 goals with Ole contributing to 25.

2 seasons ago, when United was having a striker crisis in Dec 2000/Jan 2001 as Yorke, Cole & Sheri were all missing simultaneously because of injuries/suspension, Ole held the fort by playing sole striker in 7 consecutive games, scoring 6 times & this period was recognised by pundits to have broken the will of the nearest title contenders who were hoping United wud have slipped & United went on to romp to the Title by April, which was the earliest an EPL Title was won!

I've also met with the Editor of a very popular Arsenal Forum who has told me that Ole's their most feared United player.

More illustrious people than you & me, namely Sir Bobby Charlton for one, has acknowledged that Ole's an extraordinary striker!! ( Eric Cantona has also heaped praises on Ole! )

As for Phil, he's played 37 times for England since '96 under all the various England managers & you don't play 37 times for your country if you're 'sh*te' & here we're not talking about one England manager whereby you can accuse him of favourtism!

It's however true that he's suffered a crisis of confidence over the last couple of seasons, but seem to have regain some form in the last few games.

Of course you can dispute that these facts are b*ll but then again, please back up your arguments with some substance rather than mere rantings....
 
Originally posted by kkcbl:
<strong>Canadian Dee, I think you have as much right to comment on the United players as we have, minus the vulgarities!

However, we have equally the same rights to disagree with your opinions, right?

With regards to Ole, he's played 50 matches for Norway ( starting 48 times ) & scored 20 times - not a bad record, right?

Let me bore you with further facts :

He's also played 267 times for United ( starting only 156 times for them ) & scored 103 times,( 80 scored when he started ) & many of his 111 times as sub have been in the last 15 minutes!

Over & above, he's been in the top 3 in direct assists for United for the last 5 consecutive seasons despite his limited appearances ( last season, he was just behind Becks with 9 direct assists to Becks' 12 ) & was voted United Player of the Year 2 years ago.

Last season, he & Ruud plundered 61 goals with Ole contributing to 25.

2 seasons ago, when United was having a striker crisis in Dec 2000/Jan 2001 as Yorke, Cole & Sheri were all missing simultaneously because of injuries/suspension, Ole held the fort by playing sole striker in 7 consecutive games, scoring 6 times & this period was recognised by pundits to have broken the will of the nearest title contenders who were hoping United wud have slipped & United went on to romp to the Title by April, which was the earliest an EPL Title was won!

I've also met with the Editor of a very popular Arsenal Forum who has told me that Ole's their most feared United player.

More illustrious people than you & me, namely Sir Bobby Charlton for one, has acknowledged that Ole's an extraordinary striker!! ( Eric Cantona has also heaped praises on Ole! )

As for Phil, he's played 37 times for England since '96 under all the various England managers & you don't play 37 times for your country if you're 'sh*te' & here we're not talking about one England manager whereby you can accuse him of favourtism!

It's however true that he's suffered a crisis of confidence over the last couple of seasons, but seem to have regain some form in the last few games.

Of course you can dispute that these facts are b*ll but then again, please back up your arguments with some substance rather than mere rantings....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Facts are for nerds ;)
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