I don't see anything about this on the BBC or Sky Sports. Where is this coming from?
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I don't see anything about this on the BBC or Sky Sports. Where is this coming from?
I can't be arsed googling all this but I have pretty sure that was just part 1. As I recall it, it was years later, after Ziege had left the club, that it was actually concluded.
There's not even a consensus within blackburn.
If reports are to be believed, all of Blackburn's "football advisers" think they don't have a leg to stand on and are working hard to convince the owners of this fact.
Some bloody forum that Joga posted stuff from I think, I'm just catching up with this myself.
Well, so far Rovers and Jones are the only ones privy to the details of the release clause. So I don't really know where this dogged certainty is coming from.
So it could well be a load of shite?
I'm not sure why your smirking for it because makes no difference....
It's on soccernet. Probably the reason why this deal hasn't been announced officially. There were statements that everything was concluded and United were just waiting for Blackburn to complete legal formalities
There could be any number of reasons why it hasn't be formally announced yet. Neither De Gea or Young have been announced yet, either.
You don't think the legal team at United might have had a passing interest in reading the contract at some point?
Well I agree, as I said a few pages back. The likelihood is they don't. But if there is ambiguity in the wording then it may be the case that they stand their ground.
But as I also said previously, when it came to looking at the contract I think any Court would be pretty clear on the true intentions of the parties at the time of the contract being concluded, which is all that matters really.
Yea, I'm sure United (and the other interested clubs) just took a wild guess as to how to activate the clause and were lucky to get it right. I'm sure the medical and the agreement of personal terms were all done on the sly, Uniteds lawyers obviously known to be clueless morons next to the genius minds of Venkys.
Maybe, but the owners are retarded enough to make it possible they are being this stupid.
I highly doubt that United made any bid without our lawyers looking into the wording of the release clause.
I don't know, this could yet be one of the reasons with even sounding ridiculous
Here's the soccernet link
Phil Jones valued by Rovers at £25m, not £16m - ESPN Soccernet
I am not sure when they would have had the opportunity. I would be extremely surprised if they were allowed to have a look at it. It is generally not in the player's interest to have your future employer look over the details of your current employment.
Until I see it being reported on a reputable site, this gets a "pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttt" from me.
Didn't Pearce let slip that it was done and dusted?
He has already rejected Liverpool once. If there is a Liverpool's offer and then you can bet that Fergie will match it. Although all the indications are that this deal will go through.
Think it's the pfffft of the week. And yes, he did.
Does this even make sense?
I am not prepared to go that far. Yet.
Farcical, if true.
Seriously how do you think these things work?
"Hello, Blackburn Rovers? Can you please fax us the details of Jones' contract? We're looking to make a bid."
"beeb beeb beeb"
"Hello, Jones' agent? Can you please fax us the details of your client's contract? We'd like to negotiate terms."
"beeb beeb beeb."
Perhaps by now, Jones' agent might be inclined to share the details with United to have them help with the legal details, but neither party would have any interest whatsoever in sharing this beforehand.
Haven't the Times reported it as well?
Why are you smirking at that? If you have upped your bid to 19m it just embarrasses Liverpool and makes out that they don't understand transfers either, but then again, Andy Carrol...
Anyway, 16m is reportedly the release clause. If it is, upping your bid to 19, 50 or even 967,000,000 makes no difference and is pointless. The player will not change his mind and choose Liverpool because you offered Blackburn 3m more. You need to be offering a better contract to Jones to sway him and not adding more figures to his transfer fee which serves no point at all but wasting money.
No way. The Nani-Sneijder deal is the winner. I mean, come on, now most media outlets are reporting it as gospel. The tramp done good.
Absolutely. Just wanted to reiterate that the opinion from everyone who's seen the contract and has the relevant expertise seems to be already unanimously in favour of United.
i've not seen the contract, but i'm guessing it don't say 25million pounds. Basically these idiots have misunderstood and are trying to con the world world into thinking they're smart and we're stupid. If it's true, it will drag on but they don't have a pot to piss in. It's annoying but that's what happens when you let idiots in football. There's to many business people who are shite business men and don't know anything about sport.
There is no such clause as the one they're suggesting and it's laughable anyone would pay money to speak to anyone. So are they suggesting we owe them 25 million now? They must be right? Cause we've spoken to jones and want to buy him?..It's a complete non starter..if we pulled out these pillocks would still probably want 16million for letting us talk to him...incredible. They certainly don't stand a chance in court and it won't get that far as the court costs will probably eat into their 16 million
Jones, who wants to go to United, and has turned down more money to stay at Rovers, has no interest in United having the specifics of his release clause? Now you're just bein dumb.
I have no idea. If they have, I still don't care. They ceased to be reputable some time ago.
by now, they would. As a general rule, no you don't release these kind of details to your future employer when negotiating terms.
United most likely got the size of the clause from where all of us knew it: The press had quite clearly been briefed by Jones' agent that there was a release clause of 16m.
Oh feck me, really? I've only looked at this thread so far today. That's the pfffft of the year!
Erm, no they can't!
Liverpool and Kewell showed the country how to feck Leeds over by offering less than the other five clubs that were in for him. Clubs like Barca, United, Chelski and the Arse were all offering more money.... well, offcially, as opposed to a bag of cash.
This is different in that United have ping'd their release clause and stolen their player. The player wants away. Now they want to create a shit pit in order to assure their fans that they are not asset stripping, purple bell-end, CM 2011 feckwits.
It is no surprise to me that a 'Pool fan is joining in this tosh and is on the wind-up. Take a deep breath and think about the shite your spewing.
I've not seen anyone quoted so I don't know about that, but I think it's a fair assumption that if all of those teams thought it was a simple £16m release clause, then they got that from Phil Jones' people, which you'd have to assume means they signed it with that intention.
It's all just minor legal hurdles. They'll delay the deal bit they certainly won't decrease the likelihood of it happening.
Correct me if I am wrong but this 'talk only' minimum release clause had not been discussed by any serious website at all. For all we know it could be all drivel and United wants to make this deal official at a later stage. Think about it, Ashley Young was also reported to have made a medical with us and yet, he hasn't yet signed for us too.
Erm, no they can't!
Liverpool and Kewell showed the country how to feck Leeds over by offering less than the other five clubs that were in for him. Clubs like Barca, United, Chelski and the Arse were all offering more money.... well, offcially, as opposed to a bag of cash.
This is different in that United have ping'd their release clause and stolen their player. The player wants away. Now they want to create a shit pit in order to assure their fans that they are not asset stripping, purple bell-end, CM 2011 feckwits.
It is no surprise to me that a 'Pool fan is joining in this tosh and is on the wind-up. Take a deep breath and think about the shite your spewing.
This is not really comparable. And it wasn't in fact a case between Liverpool and Leeds but between Kewell's agent and Leeds. His agent had a written agreement with the Leeds chairman that he would accept any bid of 5.5m that he could garner for the player.
I am not saying Rovers have a leg to stand on. All I am saying is we don't really know if t
In a contract dispute such as this one the courts typically look to determine the parties' intent at the time of signing the contract. In this case, it was clear the clause was intended to act as a release clause if the valuation was met. I can't see this being a problem.
It's been in most papers, Times, Guardian, Independent,Telegraph including. I think it's fair to say something is going on.
I think we all know it is very straight forward.
It is just mind boggling to me, that dependent on what team you follow, dictates whether you believe that an age old system is about to be shook to the core by the sheer brilliance of the Venkies muppets.
Please people, let's keep a grip on reality.
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