[Plant0x84]

Maguire must rival it?

Every time he comes on I joke that he’ll cost us the match, but then he actually does

Maguire has more than 6 pages.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Maguire has more than 6 pages.

Ohh I just meant “tragic” as in how sad it would be for the player to read their own thread

 

[Sylar]

So glad we renewed his contract to retain his value meaning we could sell him for more money and make a profit

Or something

Anyway shame about his injuries but we've known about that even before his last extension

 

[golden_blunder]

So glad we renewed his contract to retain his value meaning we could sell him for more money and make a profit

Or something

Anyway shame about his injuries but we've known about that even before his last extension

We didn’t know about the major career threatening injury he would receive. Nobody could predict that.
It’s like saying don’t give a contract to (any other injury prone player we’ve had over the years) but we do because they have talent.
jones has been incredibly unlucky with injuries. I’ve heard that the last one may even affect his old age so good luck to him whatever direction he’s goes into next:

 

[Hughes35]

Such a shame. I really believe that without all the injuries he's be a proper club legend.

Really rate him as a footballer. He's only 31 and has been at the club for 12 years. In another world, he'd have played around 500 games for us.

Having said all that, he has been inured for years and should have left the club about 5 years ago.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

We didn’t know about the major career threatening injury he would receive. Nobody could predict that.
It’s like saying don’t give a contract to (any other injury prone player we’ve had over the years) but we do because they have talent.
jones has been incredibly unlucky with injuries. I’ve heard that the last one may even affect his old age so good luck to him whatever direction he’s goes into next:

Sure, but it's not as if he was a reliable player fitness-wise before he signed that contract. In the five seasons leading up to that extension, he had never played more than 26 total games in a season. At that point it was already obvious that we were better off cutting our losses.

 

[golden_blunder]

Sure, but it's not as if he was a reliable player fitness-wise before he signed that contract. In the five seasons leading up to that extension, he had never played more than 26 total games in a season. At that point it was already obvious that we were better off cutting our losses.

26 games a season is a squad player.

 

[Lay]

He’s played 6 league games in 4 seasons. Didn’t realise it’s been that bad.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

26 games a season is a squad player.

Maybe. There's a difference between a player who's available throughout the season and steps in when needed (when the first choice player is injured, suspended, or rested), and a player who's available intermittently.

John O'Shea was the former. Phil Jones was the latter.

 

[Sylar]

We didn’t know about the major career threatening injury he would receive. Nobody could predict that.
It’s like saying don’t give a contract to (any other injury prone player we’ve had over the years) but we do because they have talent.
jones has been incredibly unlucky with injuries. I’ve heard that the last one may even affect his old age so good luck to him whatever direction he’s goes into next:

Sure, but it's not as if he was a reliable player fitness-wise before he signed that contract. In the five seasons leading up to that extension, he had never played more than 26 total games in a season. At that point it was already obvious that we were better off cutting our losses.

It wasnt even about the games played, it was about the number of injuries and days missing that was building and increasing. Even when he got the contract and the length it was granted, it was suspect, because again, nobody else was in for him, he wasnt a key player we had to tie down as long as we did.

The Ed Woodward thinking clearly was about value by tying him down.

I feel sorry for Jones for sure, but giving him the contract for how much he was getting paid too, made no sense at all.

 

[Marwood]

26 games a season is a squad player.

Not if injury is the reason they've only averaged 26.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

every time i see this bumped i just wonder if somehow he has risen from the dead to play.

 

[golden_blunder]

Not if injury is the reason they've only averaged 26.

Not sure what age you are but I wonder did you say that when Robbo, McGrath, giggs or even more recent Shaw were always out injured?
My point is it’s not always as black and white as “he’s injury prone he should have been shifted”

 

[The Corinthian]

Not sure what age you are but I wonder did you say that when Robbo, McGrath, giggs or even more recent Shaw were always out injured?
My point is it’s not always as black and white as “he’s injury prone he should have been shifted”

Come on. You and I both know they’re not like for like examples.

 

[golden_blunder]

Come on. You and I both know they’re not like for like examples.

You’re missing my point.

 

[Andersonson]

He is clearly injured again or he has some sort of mental problems. He hasnt even been with the U21 for a very very long time. Its also kind of weird that the club and manager hasnt said a work about anything. I suspect a bad illness or something

 

[The Corinthian]

You’re missing my point.

No I get it, I just don’t think they’re like for like. I’ll give you another example - Gary Neville missed the whole of the 07/08 season through injury…but he had already 10+ years of being consistent and injury free in the bank. Same as the examples you’ve cited. Other than the first year, we’ve never had that level of consistency and availability from Jones.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Not sure what age you are but I wonder did you say that when Robbo, McGrath, giggs or even more recent Shaw were always out injured?
My point is it’s not always as black and white as “he’s injury prone he should have been shifted”

I wish Jones all the best and he is very far down the list of United’s main problems but comparing him to injury prone but functioning players like Robson amd McGrath is ridiculous. In nearly 12 seasons at United, Jones has a similar number of league appearances to Duncan Edwards.

 

[Marwood]

Not sure what age you are but I wonder did you say that when Robbo, McGrath, giggs or even more recent Shaw were always out injured?
My point is it’s not always as black and white as “he’s injury prone he should have been shifted”

Your point was that 26 games is a squad player. As if he's only played 26 because he's a backup, not picked to start.

But that's not the case. He was only averaging 26 because he's often unavailable for selection.

Two different things.

Who wants a squad player that's only available for selection half the time?

 

[golden_blunder]

Your point was that 26 games is a squad player. As if he's only played 26 because he's a backup, not picked to start.

But that's not the case. He was only averaging 26 because he's often unavailable for selection.

Two different things.

Who wants a squad player that's only available for selection half the time?

Well, Brighton keep Welbeck, Arsenal kept Wilshire, Liverpool Thiago , and so on.
My point is it’s not as black and white as just getting rid of injury prone players.

 

[90 + 5min]

Such a shame it all went as it went. Would have been a great defender if his body could cope with being footballer. To many injuries, to big injuries, all at wrong time.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Some will go insane lengths to defend us giving him that contract, there were so many people against it. Just as for DDG's renewal, which (luckily), we do not know the conditions yet. It was a terrible decision by the club. Especially tying him down for so long.

 

[The Corinthian]

Some will go insane lengths to defend us giving him that contract, there were so many people against it. Just as for DDG's renewal, which (luckily), we do not know the conditions yet. It was a terrible decision by the club. Especially tying him down for so long.

Yea it was a crazy decision. Another one on the list to add that shows Woody’s incompetence.

 

[Sylar]

Some will go insane lengths to defend us giving him that contract, there were so many people against it. Just as for DDG's renewal, which (luckily), we do not know the conditions yet. It was a terrible decision by the club. Especially tying him down for so long.

Exactly, its not like it was one we all were happy to see happen at the time. This isnt hindsight stuff, this was foresight at the time too.

 

[Gandalf]

He is clearly injured again or he has some sort of mental problems. He hasnt even been with the U21 for a very very long time. Its also kind of weird that the club and manager hasnt said a work about anything. I suspect a bad illness or something

Allegedly he suffered a major setback with his knee in the first training session under ETH and is effectively unable to ever play again. The club is showing compassion for his situation by quietly allowing his deal to run down whilst he figures out what to do in retirement.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Exactly, its not like it was one we all were happy to see happen at the time. This isnt hindsight stuff, this was foresight at the time too.

I think even those who weren't against new contract for Jones were still baffled by length of the contract.

 

[MadDogg]

I think even those who weren't against new contract for Jones were still baffled by length of the contract.

Pretty much this. Jones had been fairly good in 17/18 (arguably his best ever season) and decent in 18/19 so it was understandable for him to get a new contract. I still wouldn't have given him one because even then he was getting too many injuries and I wanted someone more reliable, but giving him a contract wasn't that bad of a deal. But it should have been something like a two year contract with an automatic extra year if he played a certain amount of games.

 

[UpWithRivers]

I wonder who the testimonial is against. Maybe Spurs so Darren Anderton can get 5 mins if he can make that

 

[AndySmith1990]

I think even those who weren't against new contract for Jones were still baffled by length of the contract.

My view has always been it was ludicrous to even consider renewing his contract. But if someone at the club thought it was worthwhile then at most it should've been a year long with an option to extend. It's not as if Jones would've rejected and left to join another club. Not that he would've been able to join another club as he was injured again that summer. United really have made some truly baffling decisions

 

[Josep Dowling]

I thought he’s had a good season tbf.

 

[giggs-beckham]

Yea it was a crazy decision. Another one on the list to add that shows Woody’s incompetence.

Thank god those days of ageing galactico signings and ludicrous contract extensions are gone

 

[Doracle]

My view has always been it was ludicrous to even consider renewing his contract. But if someone at the club thought it was worthwhile then at most it should've been a year long with an option to extend. It's not as if Jones would've rejected and left to join another club. Not that he would've been able to join another club as he was injured again that summer. United really have made some truly baffling decisions

He was a current England international and probably our best CB as at that summer, so we weren’t releasing him on a free. 2+1 would have made a lot of sense though, given his injury record.

 

[Stadjer]

I thought he’s had a good season tbf.

I dont think he made any mistakes. Atleast no mistakes that resulted into a goal for the opponent.

De Gea and Maguire cant make that claim, Jones can.

 

[golden_blunder]

He was a current England international and probably our best CB as at that summer, so we weren’t releasing him on a free. 2+1 would have made a lot of sense though, given his injury record.

This has always been my point, but apparently it’s normal to give free transfers to current England internationals

 

[Sylar]

I wonder who the testimonial is against. Maybe Spurs so Darren Anderton can get 5 mins if he can make that

Didn't he say he doesn't want a testimonial because only his family would turn up.

That was sad

 

[Loon]

JoeLinton is even more an English sounding Brazilian than Fred.

 

[Amar__]

Some will go insane lengths to defend us giving him that contract, there were so many people against it. Just as for DDG's renewal, which (luckily), we do not know the conditions yet. It was a terrible decision by the club. Especially tying him down for so long.

Exactly, its not like it was one we all were happy to see happen at the time. This isnt hindsight stuff, this was foresight at the time too.

gb for some reason likes to pretend every few months here that no one thought Jones was injury prone when he signed that contract, even though many people proved him otherwise so many times, but he just ignores that. Anyone sane realised he is injury prone player in 2012, let alone 6-7 years later when his injuries were worse every year.

 

[golden_blunder]

gb for some reason likes to pretend every few months here that no one thought Jones was injury prone when he signed that contract, even though many people proved him otherwise so many times, but he just ignores that. Anyone sane realised he is injury prone player in 2012, let alone 6-7 years later when his injuries were worse every year.

Again at time it contract he was in the England squad, we’re not gonna let him walk for free. The error was the length of contract.

I also point to martial who probably like Jones had injury after injury yet we are still playing him when fit. Doubt we’re giving him away for free either

 

[Vidyoyo]

Spectacular today and well worth the bump

 

[André Dominguez]

This shows how much injuries can make a career go downward. Phil Jones was amazing under Sir Alex, he looked like the real deal until injuries came.